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Amadeus
10-27-2014, 12:40 AM
I i know a player who is at around a lvl 29 or 30 boss, he also has the 50% countermeasure unit and only getting 3,600 points...is there something wrong here, Shouldn't he be getting considerably more points???

AmadeusINC
Commander

Jamestkirk
10-27-2014, 03:02 AM
i thought you got 10% of Attack points plus the bonuses for MVP etc. that was the case on level 1 and then has got lower each time. Last boss event this worked until lvl 24 so on that boss i got around 40,000 points and then boss 25 onwards it slipped down to around 8,000 points and stopped being worth doing event.

Jamestkirk
10-27-2014, 03:52 AM
i thought you got 10% of Attack points plus the bonuses for MVP etc. that was the case on level 1 and then has got lower each time. Last boss event this worked until lvl 24 so on that boss i got around 40,000 points and then boss 25 onwards it slipped down to around 8,000 points and stopped being worth doing event.

Sorry that should read 1% of Attack points. It seems it starts at 1% and decreases slightly each boss so around lvl 28 you're getting 0.56% plus the points for MVP etc...

Jamestkirk
10-27-2014, 06:04 AM
I'm now at level 7 and each boss I've earned exactly 100 more points so lvl 1 1000 and lvl 7 1600. This means that damage points are having no effect whatsoever and by level 28 you can only earn 3700 points. Last boss event I got 12,800 for level 28 boss.

BaziOne
10-27-2014, 08:20 AM
Yes - sounds like someone at Gree messed up. At this point since many people have already killed many bosses the only fair thing to do would be to adjust the points need for each progress reward to align with the ridiculously low boss points.

Hunter Hespen
10-27-2014, 11:32 AM
Yes, I agree. It is not fair that we are getting less than half of what would normally get for the previous boss battles.

Hunter Hespen
10-27-2014, 11:35 AM
This boss event feels like the equivalent of earning $1.50/hr when minimum wage is $7.25/hr


GREE fix the problem.

Hunter Hespen
10-27-2014, 04:39 PM
It would be nice to get a conversation going on this...

I think all of us that are concerned would like to hear some input from GREE as well.

HornedOwl
10-27-2014, 04:46 PM
Makes up for last weeks Boss Bug. People raked in over 5,000,000 points over the course of the week. Maybe the bug was "over-fixed".

Jamestkirk
10-27-2014, 05:12 PM
I'm getting fed up with these constant glitches on LOW. I've played Modern War for two years and have stopped, but at least the game was pretty glitch free. It feels like nobody is working on this game as its all over the shop. I've sent in a few tickets to raise issues and you just get an apology but I've spent money on gold on this game and it's feeling like I a mug.

Tadaaah
10-27-2014, 05:36 PM
Hey guys,

We took a good look into the countermeasure units and found a small discrepancy. We are working on getting a fix out for these units.

Additionally, we are always looking for ways to improve these events and make it challenging while maintaining balance. We welcome any and all of your feedback for these events.

Thank you all for your patience while we looked into and solved this matter.

Drkaic
10-27-2014, 05:40 PM
Yes this is complete crap. Bad enough you have to pay to play to win on pvp events, now this? EVERYONE needs to start contacting Gree and explain their displeasure with this. Only way to fix it is enough people have to contact them.

BaziOne
10-27-2014, 05:57 PM
The problem isn't with the countermeasure units - it's with the boss scoring itself. Please read all the posts and tell us if this is intentional or not Gree

Drkaic
10-27-2014, 06:17 PM
It's not counter measure, I don't use them unless I have enough to fully promote and even then I have better UR units anyway. The points for beating the officers and then the boss are much lower than previous events. People that pay to play don't care but I can't spend hundreds on energy to get to the higher awards. Come on, so many people love this game but if you can't ever win or earn the UR units then why play? You have people begging to make the game a little more reachable, listen to them, that will bring in more players. Please look at at what people want, make them ha

Patches
10-27-2014, 07:07 PM
The problem isn't with the countermeasure units - it's with the boss scoring itself. Please read all the posts and tell us if this is intentional or not Gree

I have to agree, Tadaaah's response was the equivalent of ordering a cheeseburger and receiving a taco...did they even read the thread? Boss points are way lower this time around...is this intentional?

neponimayu
10-27-2014, 08:27 PM
I managed to get the Menkaura II which is supposed to give a 20% boost in boss points, but the points aren't being added to my score when I defeat bosses... what gives?

SpartanPhalanx
10-27-2014, 08:37 PM
I have to agree, Tadaaah's response was the equivalent of ordering a cheeseburger and receiving a taco...did they even read the thread? Boss points are way lower this time around...is this intentional?

Of course it is intentional, but they don't even want to acknowledge that it is happening. Far lower points means far more levels needed to win anything worthwhile. It was already an arduous grind, but at least there was the genuine prospect of obtaining some good units. Now it is being made utterly impossible. Even if you were prepared to spend a fortune on Energy and Morales, you just wouldn't want to give the amount of extra time needed to work through all those extra levels. It was already taking up too much of my day. They are gradually destroying this game. I am giving up on this week's event already.

Royce
10-27-2014, 08:45 PM
Of course it is intentional, but they don't even want to acknowledge that it is happening. Far lower points means far more levels needed to win anything worthwhile. It was already an arduous grind, but at least there was the genuine prospect of obtaining some good units. Now it is being made utterly impossible. Even if you were prepared to spend a fortune on Energy and Morales, you just wouldn't want to give the amount of extra time needed to work through all those extra levels. It was already taking up too much of my day. They are gradually destroying this game. I am giving up on this week's event already.

There is a new feature in the campaigns. Winning battle, collecting stars, win stuff, etc... Going to take lots of energy and lots of time.
My guess is they are trying to push people towards that by giving pitiful amount of points for the boss battles.

Amadeus
10-27-2014, 10:18 PM
Hey guys,

We took a good look into the countermeasure units and found a small discrepancy. We are working on getting a fix out for these units.

Additionally, we are always looking for ways to improve these events and make it challenging while maintaining balance. We welcome any and all of your feedback for these events.

Thank you all for your patience while we looked into and solved this matter.

Tadaaah. I wish Gree would take the time to address concerns to the fullest. Obviously I am not just referring to the countermeasure bonus. I am referring to the overall points accumulation in boss battles with or without countermeasure units. Based what I have read, seems like I am not the only one who is quite distraught from your response and just at the situation in general. I am simply reiterating this statement to help push Gree to address concerns to the fullest. When ever these drastic changes occur during events, it is quite difficult for members to decipher whether Gree actually nerfed the points accumulation or that there is actually an issue with points accumulation in boss battles. Basically have no clue if Gree did this at y'alls own discretion or if this is actually a glitch in the game. Please clarify these sudden changes. It goes back to the abundant amount of posts I have made about withholding information or not being specific on updates in the game. For instance, the most recent update said new units and campaign optimization. Great!! You guys were slightly specific about the new campaign, but what are the new units added to the game??? Also, why is it taking weeks after a UR unit is given as a reward for it to be released in the war chests?? I am still waiting on the Commoner's Revenge to be released in War Chests (not that I would even get this unit in the war chests even when it is released, so I don't even really know why I am complaining about this topic). Usually you guys release the UR unit instantly after an event is over into war chests. Blah blah blah I will stop here because this website doesn't have a large enough bandwidth for me to express all my concerns and all the issues in a single thread post....

AmadeusINC
Commander

CJCJ
10-28-2014, 05:13 AM
'Glad' to see I'm not the only one experiencing woefully inadequate points from defeating bosses. I had hoped that the point awards would pick up after the early rounds, but I guess not. A 100 pts per level, it would take beating Bosses into the mid 90s to get into the final rewards!! This is more than DOUBLE required for the Sejanus event! I can't imagine how many morale is required to beat a level 95 boss... (I know the last boss event -Patriots Song - did have messed up points going in our favor - but since that unit was practically useless I'd call that a wash)

With no chance of getting close to those rewards, why bother continuing with this event?

GREE - please comment and/or FIX THIS!

Ozstriker
10-28-2014, 11:47 AM
I thought I was the only one experiencing these lack of points for the boss battle! I'm so glad I've already invested money into a game not even 1 month ago to not want to play it since there is so many glitches/discrepancies.. GREE, why are the points for beating the bosses so low?? Please explain..

Tadaaah
10-28-2014, 12:54 PM
Hey guys,

The second point in the statement does directly refer to this change. We are continually trying out new balances and measures within the game to create a challenge for all of our players. We take your feedback here on the new point allocation very seriously and thank you for that which is provided. The changes have been made in order to maintain balance with these events moving forward.

The teams has not only read your points but are also using them to then make more changes to this event moving forward. This means you, as players, may continue to see changes until we get it just right. We want to ensure you are experiencing a great gameplay experience and feel heard with our teams. The feedback we receive here, Facebook, Twitter, etc. plays a direct role in how this team is making changes and developing the game. Thank you all for taking the time to provide us with this basis for improvement and continued support.

Hunter Hespen
10-28-2014, 01:49 PM
Thanks for responding Tadaaah,

As for me, I am done with this event.

The end goal is unattainable for me and I am a heavy player.
I have plenty of moral and energy boosts saved up but even with this, I can not attain the end goal.

Tadaaah, please make it clear to your team that this event is incredibly flawed. I would guess 99% of the players will never ever come close to completing this boss event if they truly put forth the effort to reach the end.

This is incredibly disheartening.

Jamestkirk
10-28-2014, 02:28 PM
Tadaaah that's great that you guys are reading this, but basic mathematics would tell the programmers that the event is flawed and the big units completely unobtainable. It's only fun for players if they have a chance to get the big prizes, and it's impossible. when you change the parameters so much it's like buying a 50" TV and then when you come back the next day it's been swapped for a 20" black and white TV.

BaziOne
10-28-2014, 02:33 PM
"maintain balance with these events" = figure out how to get the most money possible from players. They made it so you can't complete Versus or Invasion without serious spending, so of course they will do the same with the Boss event.

For me, it's not the fact that Gree need to make money, it's the way they don't care about the 99% of the players who would be willing to spend a little and only focus on getting as much money as possible out of the 1% who will spend serious money to complete events.

This is a very short-term outlook as most any business that is thinking long term would much rather have 10,000 happy customers who are happy and will spend a little rather than 10 customers who will spend a lot...

paigesfury
10-28-2014, 04:42 PM
They've completely removed any incentive to play because the end goal is not realistically attainable unless you play constantly. I'm at the level 18 boss and have accumulated a grand total of 36,000 points - how will it be possible to get 250,000 to get the first SR reward, much less the 600,000 needed to receive all rewards? I'm not a mathematician, but I'm guessing one would have to reach something well over level 100 to get enough points for the UR rewards - that's absurd. In prior Boss events I've been able to complete up to level 50 or so, which gave me enough points to receive the super/ultra rare units. That made it fun because those units make it interesting and allow us to improve our units and advance further in the game.

If you felt too many players were finishing the event, and thus, you wanted to make it a little more difficult, then I get it and that's fine; however, rather than dropping the points so drastically, it would have been much easier to take if you decreased the points slightly - maybe 10% - each event until you reached the level of 'balance' you were looking for. As it is, it's just not fun because we all know we're not going to reach the end goal and we're not going to get those SR and UR units.

It seems you're doing the same thing with the Boss event that you do with the versus event - I don't play nearly as much during the versus event because its not possible to complete. Are you trying to deter us from playing? If so, then job well done!

eagleProphet
10-28-2014, 08:00 PM
The points are significantly lower than previous boss events. I'm not sure, but it may be too meager to make it worthwhile. Nevertheless, I'm reserving judgment until the end of the event. A lot could happen with 5 days left ...

Zeltum
10-29-2014, 11:27 AM
Tadaaah, you are not reading. With or without countermeasure units you have made a royal screw up on the boss levels. I am upto level 31. Yes 31. And I havent even managed to get the awards for those helicopters.... Put it back how it was and give the users the fairness. If I ever dreamt of getting the top awards in this boss week then do the maths. 4k points max at level 31, I am on 115k points now, need another 485k. That means I would have to do at least 120 boss levels. is it really possible to get to boss level 150 (I am already on 31). Read the points then answer properly. Or give us credit and go and work in a call centre where a straight answer is never expected


Hey guys,

The second point in the statement does directly refer to this change. We are continually trying out new balances and measures within the game to create a challenge for all of our players. We take your feedback here on the new point allocation very seriously and thank you for that which is provided. The changes have been made in order to maintain balance with these events moving forward.

The teams has not only read your points but are also using them to then make more changes to this event moving forward. This means you, as players, may continue to see changes until we get it just right. We want to ensure you are experiencing a great gameplay experience and feel heard with our teams. The feedback we receive here, Facebook, Twitter, etc. plays a direct role in how this team is making changes and developing the game. Thank you all for taking the time to provide us with this basis for improvement and continued support.

Delroy Djtax Green
10-30-2014, 05:49 AM
Am on boss lvl 44 and only getting just over 5,000 points which doesn't make any sense........

HYE
10-30-2014, 10:10 AM
it even more weird when the top player can get close to 850k points :confused:

Amadeus
10-30-2014, 02:56 PM
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AmadeusINC
Commander

SpartanPhalanx
10-30-2014, 07:52 PM
Hey guys,

The second point in the statement does directly refer to this change. We are continually trying out new balances and measures within the game to create a challenge for all of our players. We take your feedback here on the new point allocation very seriously and thank you for that which is provided. The changes have been made in order to maintain balance with these events moving forward.

The teams has not only read your points but are also using them to then make more changes to this event moving forward. This means you, as players, may continue to see changes until we get it just right. We want to ensure you are experiencing a great gameplay experience and feel heard with our teams. The feedback we receive here, Facebook, Twitter, etc. plays a direct role in how this team is making changes and developing the game. Thank you all for taking the time to provide us with this basis for improvement and continued support.
A very important factor that you seem to be overlooking is the amount of time needed to clear each level. Even level one consists of at least 5 battles which could take up to half an hour. And each subsequent level gets harder and takes longer. Getting anywhere near the top prizes would require many many hours of commitment. You seem to be expecting people to spend more time playing your game than they do at work!

garen argon
10-30-2014, 09:59 PM
finished off boss 40 and i've a whopping 127k points. got my gold key and am done with this event. no chance to get any other rewards.

i don't mind events being challenging; but when you used to complete the event and now you can't come close to reaching the first SR unit, you know the 'balancing' has put the event out of balance.

eagleProphet
11-01-2014, 11:49 AM
The points are significantly lower than previous boss events. I'm not sure, but it may be too meager to make it worthwhile. Nevertheless, I'm reserving judgment until the end of the event. A lot could happen with 5 days left ...

I'm so glad I reserved judgment. I have just finished the Boss event with 2 days to spare, and now I am responding to distress calls to help take out the Boss' officers for my friends as I try out my new lvl50 SR Myrmidon and lvl30 UR Sahure V and try for the coveted UR Officer card. :cool: The modified point system turned out to be well balanced, in light of the power boost. Like I said before, a lot could happen. ;) I used to finish Boss events on Tuesday evenings or Wednesday mornings, which is too soon for a casual non-paying player like myself. Gree probably needs to make the Boss himself challenging once again; other than that, I'm really enjoying the changes.

Fynrfin
11-01-2014, 02:32 PM
I'm so glad I reserved judgment. I have just finished the Boss event with 2 days to spare, and now I am responding to distress calls to help take out the Boss' officers for my friends as I try out my new lvl50 SR Myrmidon and lvl30 UR Sahure V and try for the coveted UR Officer card. :cool: The modified point system turned out to be well balanced, in light of the power boost. Like I said before, a lot could happen. ;) I used to finish Boss events on Tuesday evenings or Wednesday mornings, which is too soon for a casual non-paying player like myself. Gree probably needs to make the Boss himself challenging once again; other than that, I'm really enjoying the changes.

Meawhile I am stuck fighting ly kotzov at 43, any advice?

Jamestkirk
11-01-2014, 03:56 PM
Use 15 Attack and deploy everything you have immediately, don't try and speed up the regen time. Hopefully you can take boss out before he's fully deployed.

eagleProphet
11-01-2014, 06:19 PM
Meawhile I am stuck fighting ly kotzov at 43, any advice?

I got stuck there too until I found the right squad. Check the stats on all your R, SR and UR units and pick ones with high numbers for range. If you won the Sejanus and Commoners Revenge a few Boss events back, they will do nicely.

SpartanPhalanx
11-01-2014, 10:06 PM
All you guys with powerful units urging Gree to make things even tougher should have some thought for the rest of us struggling to survive with the way it is already.

Jamestkirk
11-02-2014, 02:43 AM
All you guys with powerful units urging Gree to make things even tougher should have some thought for the rest of us struggling to survive with the way it is already.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone urging GREE to make it tougher?

Fynrfin
11-02-2014, 03:21 AM
I got stuck there too until I found the right squad. Check the stats on all your R, SR and UR units and pick ones with high numbers for range. If you won the Sejanus and Commoners Revenge a few Boss events back, they will do nicely.

Thank you that helped, now i got stuck on the upper left hand guy, anyway i am not going to get any of the SRunits anyway :-(

Cheers,

Fynrfin

CJCJ
11-02-2014, 07:46 AM
Thank you that helped, now i got stuck on the upper left hand guy, anyway i am not going to get any of the SRunits anyway :-(
Fynrfin

Upper left is the weakest officer, so if you beat the rest he shouldn't be much trouble. However, sometimes he does put out a very fast Dybenko Liberator that used to be weak, but now it can take out your base in a few shots. Be ready for this thing and deploy something quickly of you'll be toast.

zelot08
11-02-2014, 06:30 PM
Finished the event today 8:25 pm EST. at Lvl 91 (insane). This is way out of reach :(

Tired...... Tired......


zelot08 "z" / ziOn.Inc

eagleProphet
11-02-2014, 07:45 PM
Finished the event today 8:25 pm EST. at Lvl 91 (insane). This is way out of reach :(

Tired...... Tired......


zelot08 "z" / ziOn.Inc

Well done, warrior!!!

SpartanPhalanx
11-03-2014, 07:53 AM
I'm not sure I've seen anyone urging GREE to make it tougher?

Read eagleProphet a few messages back.

eagleProphet
11-03-2014, 08:09 AM
Read eagleProphet a few messages back.

I did suggest that the Boss himself should get a boost so as to be more challenging next time around. When you can easily take out a lvl90 Boss with 1 morale, the boosted officers protecting the Boss make the Boss look less Bossy. ;)

SpartanPhalanx
11-05-2014, 01:03 AM
I did suggest that the Boss himself should get a boost so as to be more challenging next time around. When you can easily take out a lvl90 Boss with 1 morale, the boosted officers protecting the Boss make the Boss look less Bossy. ;)
It all depends on what units you have to attack the Boss with. You must have something very very strong. I think that needing to clear 90 levels is challenge enough, if only because of the amount of time it takes. They need to remember that we do have other things to do in our lives.