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BeastMode...on
04-09-2015, 07:51 PM
Please PLEASE tell us you didn't just change the game, hours before war, removing all stats except equipment factored in when attacking.

Basically nullifying thousands of dollars spent, tens of thousands of hours playing, and changing this into a game of chance on who got luckiest opening chests with equipment in them.

PLEASE don't say you did that. That would be the final straw. You're better off just announcing the game is shutting down

Jnsolberg
04-09-2015, 07:56 PM
If this is another major change without notice right before a war, I'm done with this game

Cloud22
04-09-2015, 08:02 PM
Can only hope it is a mistake and will be fixed before war. If this is a perment change, then gree has successfully ruin this game. They have been trying pretty hard recently.

Jomama1
04-09-2015, 08:06 PM
This is clearly a mistake. Otherwise the primary stats and bonuses have zero purposes and most of the rewards are useless.

The better question is why does Gree always screw things up like this. It's so bad is cannot be an accident.

I think there is some psychology reason for screwing things up. Maybe to get us riled up and increase spending when they fix it. It is impossible to be this accidentally incompetent.

Valid or
04-09-2015, 08:48 PM
Would say I can't belive it...but unfortunately I can, even with numerous posts from gree about not doing major changes right before war again as every time they did, it caused huge problems.
If it was April 1, would have thought it was a joke.

Scubdog
04-09-2015, 09:28 PM
An intern must have stayed late after the KA manager went home and started turning dials. Pay no attention to the insane stat inflation during EB and health potion flood this RB. Using Hero A/D only for attacks is just a display error our support ticket will tell us ..... Except for the insane loss to a much weaker player because you reset your skill points to Hero to finish the EB legendary event. Gem to reset skills each event, suckers. I'm sure war will in no way reflect this new game play paradigm. The VP of Revenue has spoken.

Weakling
04-09-2015, 09:37 PM
Hello GREE, or whoever is so evidently trying your best to either rile us up or trying to add some excitement into this coming war.

This change is by far the best joke you have come up with for the past 4 years and counting.

If the war is going to be in this pvp calculation format, everyone can hit anyone by simply resetting your skill points. Please note, all the money spent for the past 3 weeks leading to this war is worth nothing, notwithstanding the total amounts of cash spent over the past 4 years that have been rendered useless by some of the jokes implemented recently.

People spent money to play the game. Please have someone on your end to sit down, take a deep breath and think how this change is going to affect this coming war. Really not going to be very welcomed to your whale accounts, this I can assure you.

garen argon
04-09-2015, 10:10 PM
guys and gals,

you are responding as if gree cares what you have done to build up your account.

they don't care. they never have and they never will.

either buy more gems and tap your way to happiness; or don't buy any gems and tap they way YOU want to.

belgario
04-09-2015, 11:08 PM
I've got to say, I don't disagree with anything said above. We need a response Gree. Tell us what you intend or we will assume the worst. Just tell us you are ending the game...we will be mad, but no worse than now. Yes, we will ask Apple for refunds and get them. Why delay it??

Gendur
04-09-2015, 11:19 PM
This demands a QUICK response from GREE, indeed every bonus ever achieved is useless if this logic is used in WAR.

The red Baron
04-10-2015, 12:24 AM
Its a late 1st April joke of GREE

Lord Vyper
04-10-2015, 12:26 AM
the only possible answer from us would be to stop playing and to stop spending money until this is changed back/repaired whatever....
But what are we doing? The first are already spending gems to reset skill points....
And even there is the next bug... when they introduced the 'new' battle system (now the old one.... with 3 values) they told us that the hero attack/defense is influenced by skill points on hero strength (what would be logic) - but this was never true. Hero attack/defense is only influenced by skill points on army attack/defense (what's complete nonsense...)

And even if we would accept the new basic change: The worse thing is again that it happens without warning a few hours before battle starts - again player will quit the game and the officers and founders of the guilds will be again in a bad situation.
(Oh... I forgot.... there is a warning: Everytime I start the game there is the 'GREE' logo in the right corner....)

We definitely need an official statement concerning this problem.

grantsmith1
04-10-2015, 12:28 AM
im not gonna waste my breath asking for explanations or begging for change... I`m just gonna sit back and wait to see if Gree pull their heads out of their asses before war, if not I will fight so as not to let down my guilds and my friends and walk away from this game for good on Monday.... I didn't spend years building my accounts and spending thousands just to have it nullified in one move. hopefully they come to their senses but if not they`ve probably done me a favour because I never thought I would leave the game until now adios amigos

War player
04-10-2015, 12:40 AM
It's got to be a display error. When you raid, you get the normal display.

grantsmith1
04-10-2015, 12:48 AM
nope not a display error im losing to people I can easily beat every day

War player
04-10-2015, 01:01 AM
Lol. I just noticed I've been registered for over 3 years. Jan 2012. WTF is wrong with me?

Laura TCK
04-10-2015, 01:05 AM
My opinion, the reward bonus on top of the unit is low so all aimed at your guild making top 10, so I'm in TCK top 35 guild and when matched against FIB I turn the game off for an hour as really no point in hitting a lvl 30 player, however now I can prob beat a range of high LVL members, Gree have done this on purpose to create a fairly level playing field in match ups and wins will just come down to which guild throws the most gems at that battle, strategy is all gone but top 10 will just spend spend spend as normal

DragCro
04-10-2015, 01:09 AM
I really hope that this change is not permanent,or will be just for one event but i know that lots of people (top players)will rage quit because of this

But i agree with Laura this way more people have targets on war

Lord Vyper
04-10-2015, 01:10 AM
My opinion, the reward bonus on top of the unit is low so all aimed at your guild making top 10, so I'm in TCK top 35 guild and when matched against FIB I turn the game off for an hour as really no point in hitting a lvl 30 player, however now I can prob beat a range of high LVL members, Gree have done this on purpose to create a fairly level playing field in match ups and wins will just come down to which guild throws the most gems at that battle, strategy is all gone but top 10 will just spend spend spend as normal

I bet you will still not win because top player will spend gems to adjust skill points for each event....

Toddiekska
04-10-2015, 01:13 AM
I think the main point from players is something like this: Gree needs to COMMUNICATE with its players. It is not a one-way street.

So Gree, what the F&@$ is going on?

Laura TCK
04-10-2015, 01:26 AM
I bet you will still not win because top player will spend gems to adjust skill points for each event....

Your 100% correct our guild will still loose but we will now score some cp but as before I just ran away and hid for an hour with my pathetic 3b lol

War player
04-10-2015, 01:40 AM
So, under this format, why does it matter what you do in battle? If attack/def stats don't matter, who cares if you infantry attack bonus is eleventy billion percent? I don't get the point of this.

Lord Vyper
04-10-2015, 01:45 AM
So, under this format, why does it matter what you do in battle? If attack/def stats don't matter, who cares if you infantry attack bonus is eleventy billion percent? I don't get the point of this.

The attack bonus effects all three values... So also hero (attack)
At least it did in the past....

Vixia.
04-10-2015, 01:46 AM
I don't think there's anymore to add for me here, everything has been said already. Grant pretty much covered it all, but I want to be added in, in the group of not happy players and not just be quiet about it. This change is not okay. All those time and money spent to build the stats, and you take it away? Not a good way to treat your customers. I also hope it's a mistake somewhere and that it's not supposed to be only hero atk and def when attacking a player.

Pls fix this ASAP and pls say something here about it on the forum. I haven't seen any moderators here for quite some time, and I'm actually also beginning to wonder if you're gonna shut the game down.

Jomama1
04-10-2015, 03:18 AM
I think the bonuses like infantry attack (and alliance boosts) only impact primary stats - if these stats are no longer used in war then most of the war prizes have no game purpose except for raiding. Why would we gem for that?

The red Baron
04-10-2015, 03:55 AM
By the way with the modification the rewards, both units and items are gone.
I think there was a minimum attack number behind we cannot get now.

Lego
04-10-2015, 04:08 AM
Another point I have not seen mentioned yet, is the fact that all the temporary attack war bonuses are now pointless. If all that is considered is attack/defense skill points, added 20% to our attack means nothing.

Vclone
04-10-2015, 04:51 AM
Meh...yawn...I'm not surprised at this failure, lack of communication, and complete incompetence. Find something new to do with your time, folks. Go outside, read a book, spend time with your family, no more tapping while driving, exercise more...

The mass exodus of players will render this game as empty as Lys's prior threats of quitting.

Peacock
04-10-2015, 05:09 AM
Conquest attack bonuses do increase the hero strength during the war

Jnsolberg
04-10-2015, 05:31 AM
Conquest attack bonuses do increase the hero strength during the war

This is true. What's useless is all the boosts to infantry, magic, machine, beast and alliance that we've been winning for so many years. That's why people are mad. Why should anyone fight in this war? For more useless boosts?

Maybe for the top 200 prize, -2% building payout time. But wait, all that means is that eventually, all your buildings become collectible while you sleep, and someone else collects for you.

Maybe for the top 500 prize, a -2% upgrade time bonus. That one is actually worth something.
What a Great War we've got here!

grantsmith1
04-10-2015, 05:44 AM
yep jnsolberg is on the money as always .. if gree follow this path then every single % boost for our armies that many of us spent countless hours and `s fighting for became worthless overnight.
the only event left that will use armies as a factor will be Raid boss which doesn't take any % bonuses into account, do the developers even understand their own game ???????????

E-I
04-10-2015, 06:26 AM
Gree has a long history of stupid decisions that infuriate players. But this? This is by far the dumbest thing that Gree has ever done.

Weakling
04-10-2015, 07:24 AM
Hey GREE, second post. Where is your famed customer service? Don't even bother to say hi?

I know you are in a very bad situation right now, cos whatever you say will definitely be lambasted by logic from all your players.

Come on, all you moderators, be a man, do the right thing. Talk when you have questions directed at you. Don't cower with your head in the sand hole.

Weakling
04-10-2015, 07:38 AM
Third post. Still expecting a reply. As do all my friends playing KA.

Weakling
04-10-2015, 07:48 AM
Fourth post. Still awaiting. At this rate I shall earn my stripes as an "articulate author" with no difficulty. Much like the way GREE changes the landscape: unfairly.

Nah, think I'd probably be banned.

Weakling
04-10-2015, 08:13 AM
Fifth, this probably is a new low in customer service to accompany the lowest decision in the game so far. At least they are being consistent. Hmmm

Jomama1
04-10-2015, 08:52 AM
Gree - what is the point of the war rewards if primary stats no longer count. Boosts aren't used n HRB so why should we war for these.

And we spent lots of money for stats that are now useless. Sounds like fraud to me....

Why do you keep screwing with us????

If we had more time there would be a boycott - but we are coming hard if you don't fix this....

Valid or
04-10-2015, 10:03 AM
Was hoping to get up today, and read a reply from gree. That gave us information on what they are doing.
But still nothing

Jomama1
04-10-2015, 10:15 AM
Timing is so crazy too - they spent this cycle massively inflating our stats and take them away for war - what are they thinking???

Relic
04-10-2015, 10:19 AM
Hey everyone,

I apologize for the delayed reply. I have asked for clarification on this and as soon as I have an answer for you, I will post it in this thread.

BeastMode...on
04-10-2015, 10:25 AM
Hey everyone,

I apologize for the delayed reply. I have asked for clarification on this and as soon as I have an answer for you, I will post it in this thread.

Relic, while I don't speak for everyone, I think everyone understands you are a community manager and mod, not a programmer for Gree. So we appreciate your post and looking into this. That being said...war starts in about a half hour. Can you go kick someone in the butt to get an answer ASAP?

Weakling
04-10-2015, 10:45 AM
Hi relic,

I don't know you nor do you me, and it's a good thing cos I hate to know the person I need to bash for my answers now.

1. When are we getting the "answers"?

2. Who shall be the brave man to answer why there was this change?

3. Does your team realized you have removed the principal gaming expectations that millions of dollars were spent on? Do you realise that we have been pouring money to horde troops and build a bigger stat account so we can pretend to be better than the non spender in the next cycle for the past 4 years?

4. By changing this basic concept of principal stat pvp, do you realise you have rendered past dollars and time spend on this game useless?

5. Do you realise,after point 3 and 4, that this constitutes a deprivation of the principal gaming experience we are seeking? And therefore we are not getting what we ____ paid for?

Thank you, you are the only channel of redress and you have to get us these answers

Jomama1
04-10-2015, 10:46 AM
Yes- Thank You Relic.

Weakling
04-10-2015, 11:11 AM
Relic, we are now minutes away from the last war many players will probably participate in, let alone spend on. And your management or game team have been contacted since 10 hours ago since the new format is implemented.

And we still await the your answers. This is not the usual small complains we have before war or events that you can ignore. This time it is different. It is a MAJOR ISSUE THAT AFFECTS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING YOUR SALARIES FOR.

We paid money to get a gaming experience promised. So far, the change indicates that you have failed to deliver what you promised for our payments and the lack of answers reflect no redress outlets from the developer.

I repeat. We are not getting what we have paid for.

BeastMode...on
04-10-2015, 11:31 AM
War is back to old formula where Army stats matter. Attacking someone out of war is still messed up. But atleast this war isn't a complete disaster

Weakling
04-10-2015, 11:34 AM
Relic, thanks. For whatever has been done or not. We would still like to have an explanation on this change.

At the least, this war is not completely a fraud. Enjoy the war my friends, apologies for being talkative as a noob writer. Alas, I am still not at "articulate author"

Valid or
04-10-2015, 11:34 AM
Looks like it's back to normal,
Wonder if they will tell us what happened to cause all this.

Jnsolberg
04-10-2015, 11:56 AM
Looks like it's back to normal,
Wonder if they will tell us what happened to cause all this.

The sad thing is that Gree probably wanted to make the change for war, but was too incompetent to get it done.

Jomama1
04-10-2015, 12:27 PM
wise decision to set it back - just wish we didn't need to stress for a day :-)

Relic
04-10-2015, 12:54 PM
Hey everyone,

I'm happy to confirm that the war stats have returned to normal, I apologize the war started off with such a game-impacting issue. I will continue to communicate with the team that there is still changes to attacking the same player outside of the war.

Weakling
04-10-2015, 01:05 PM
Thanks relic. Sorry I had to word the messages strongly. Human too.

the_bob
04-10-2015, 03:09 PM
But i agree with Laura this way more people have targets on war

Yea, you would agree that this game-breaking bug is a good thing.

Relic
04-10-2015, 04:38 PM
Thanks relic. Sorry I had to word the messages strongly. Human too.

I appreciate your apology! You didn't break the Code of Conduct so no worries at all. You voiced frustration without using profanity so it's all good here. :)

The stats should be fixed in all aspects of the game. If you are still noticing that there's issues outside of the PvP, please submit a ticket to Support or PM me with the info.

Thank you

plavine
04-11-2015, 07:06 AM
My only problem with these high temp boosts is it is rendering me relatively useless as a GG .
We are around 150 , every team we have been matched up against has had someone that can beat me now but wouldn't have been able to with out the immense Attack boost from the maps . I still score at will , but I'm level 219 so I'm giving more points out than than I am scoring

Valid or
04-11-2015, 07:12 AM
My only problem with these high temp boosts is it is rendering me relatively useless as a GG .
We are around 150 , every team we have been matched up against has had someone that can beat me now but wouldn't have been able to with out the immense Attack boost from the maps . I still score at will , but I'm level 219 so I'm giving more points out than than I am scoring
Two mini's mega hitting can take out a gg, don't think their stats have ever mattered doing this,

Krissy
04-11-2015, 08:36 AM
People will always hit highest level. If you leave the losses will just go downward to the next highest level. Don't worry.

plavine
04-12-2015, 07:50 AM
Two mini's mega hitting can take out a gg, don't think their stats have ever mattered doing this,
True - but with the high bonus , that isn't always necessary any more - with the intel given out some players can just hit me once and they win and score big

plavine
04-12-2015, 08:01 AM
Just wanted to post that the stat inflation isn't only affecting top 100 teams - in fact in might be hurting us second 100 teams more because there are more players at levels 135 -190 that are in the 2-5. Bil Range in Attack : my defense is 4.2. Bil so I am a nice target :