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Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:19 AM
Many thanks to all the new players joining us here on the Forums for the first time and to everyone who participated by submitting a design (or designs) to the Design A Dragonforged Armor Contest (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?113147-Player-Appreciation-Month-Design-A-Dragonforged-Armor), both here on the forums, and via email! Once again we were absolutely blown away by the number of entries, and how amazing all of them were! The choice for the top ten was incredibly hard, so if you don't see your entry up here, please know that we still loved it! Over the next weeks and months our Social Media team (the fabulous Tadaaah) will be sharing some of the awesome artwork that was submitted. So be sure to follow our Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/knightsanddragonsgame), Twitter (https://twitter.com/knightsdragons), and Tumblr (http://knightsdragons.tumblr.com/)!

Voting Rules:


Voting will be open until the 19th.
Please only vote once
The winner will be announced on the 20th!
Prizes will be distributed by April 30th!
Please review all finalists before casting your vote!


CLICK TO VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE DRAGONFORGED ARMOR DESIGN! (https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/2098059/Knights-Dragons-Design-A-Dragonforged-Armor-Contest)

Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:22 AM
Obsidian Forged Drakemail

Elements - duo - Fire/Earth

Weapon - *Dragonglass blade
- Dragon Skull Hilt - throat fire crystal coats the blade in dragons flame

Armor - Plated obsidian
- a drake wing to nullify flame/heat
- small drake skull and teeth belt

Shield - obsidian plates combined with drake teeth and wing strips

*the glass forged by dragons fire (obsidian) is forged with such heat that it becomes more dense then tempered steel whilst retaining a light weight prospect, providing protection from heat and razor sharp edges in weaponry. dragon scales used to bind the armors grant a natural defense against any enemy from above gaining the earthen element :)

http://i.imgur.com/tkCuJBr.jpg

Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:23 AM
Divine Warden

Artwork:
http://i.imgur.com/Dsp0iaK.png

Link: http://i.imgur.com/Dsp0iaK.png

Description:
I'm trying the archangel theme again, but this time I'm going the guardian/paladin route instead of the more mage-like design I had for the last contest. Oh, and I just had to make a spear with swirling decorations, because for some reason, I think it looks really fancy.

The armor is supposed to give off this "guardian of the sky"/archangel feeling while still not being a clump of steel. It's mostly a personal preference, but I like light armor that uses both steel and cloth, which is the reason for there being no helmet in this concept art. (And I can't draw helmets either... :p) There's a silver chestplate with golden decorations. The armor is supposed to be different on each side with the right side having the cross decoration and a larger shoulder plate while the left side has a fairly flat gauntlet and the golden wing bracelet. There are wing/feather decorations scattered across the armor. (on the gauntlets, the headpiece, the lance, the sleeves, etc.) The headpiece is a simple golden half-mask with feathers. The cross decoration at the waist is supposed to hold the dark red and gold mantle. I did not draw any object for the armor's right hand, since I thought that it would be too much to include a second weapon, and a shield would kind of defeat the purpose of the "light armor" theme. Actually, the lance should be a two-handed weapon, but I guess it doesn't really work in-game. Anyways, the swirling things around the lance are iron decorations. They're mostly there because I think they look fancy, but it'd probably hurt if you got impaled by that lance.

Elements: Air/Fire

Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:25 AM
Tusk Warlord Battlesuit

Name for armor is "Tusk Warlord Battlesuit". Suggested colors would be predominantly white with tan shading with bright red glowing on seems or cracks on body armor. Glowing red eyes, and a smoke aura to accompany. Plume on helmet stark white with some red strands. Suggested element combo would be earth/fire or earth/air.

http://i.imgur.com/zl88sR2.jpg

Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:26 AM
Fireheart Regalia

Elements: Fire/Wind

Image/Description:

http://pre13.deviantart.net/0b20/th/pre/i/2015/099/7/7/fireheart_regalia_by_infinitydevin-d8p3zwo.jpg

Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:57 AM
Firestorm Robe

Discription:
The entire armour is light blue/white with some things red mixed in. The wapon is in the same combination of colour but it has flames coming out along the entire wapon, and the character is holding the wapon with both hands.

Elements:
Wind and fire

http://i.imgur.com/3SR4viE.jpg

Clementine
04-14-2015, 11:59 AM
Drakeanic AirPlate

http://i.imgur.com/BgvIbjK.jpg

Once a known legend among the Legendary crafters... Now a reality.
Forged with the powers from the Drakeanic people, this armour holds the true powers of the Dragons.
Only the strongest will prevail against the Drakeanic to hopefully take the Drakeanic AirPlate for themselves.
Only those who are worthy will be able to obtain this great armour.

The Drakeanic AirPlate is a Dragonforged Fire/Typed armour released in (Preferred to be in a raid)
This armour will mainly contain the colours red, orange, and gray with some aspects of black and white.
This armour will mainly be offensive
The main body part will be mostly gray and black, with molten red lines entwined around the body.
The helmet should mainly be red and gray, but the horns should have some aspects of a white.
The eyes should be glowing with a red aura, and the eye of the shield should have a gray aura.
The shield itself should mainly be red, but there should be some black outlines as well as orange horns.
The weapons should be half red, half gray, and it should be radiating an aura of gray on one side and red on the other.
The cape should have a glowing aura which glows gray, and it should have a similar look to that of a Royal Man's cape.
The rest of the armour can be played around with

Clementine
04-14-2015, 12:00 PM
Foresaken Slaygear

Suggested Elements: Spirit and Earth

Long ago, where dragons freely ruled the land, a dragon with powers over magic and earth sought to rid the earth of evil. Draxoric, the dragon, had lost his friends and family, when monsters corrupted by greed, revenge, and power, destroyed his home and family. Since then, he became a vigilante, fighting to avenge his fallen comrades. But the day came, when Draxoric grew old, and weak, and was beaten during his battle with a demon. Laying there, dying, Draxoric swore to rid the world of the evil, and using his last breath, breathed magic and power into a slaying armor. The slaygears were long lost and forgotten, as they were to only appear to those worthy to carry on his legacy. The Forsaken Slaygear was forged, from the blood, grit, and will of Draxoric, to slay all the evil and bring peace to the world once again.

http://i.imgur.com/aN4lWi5.jpg?1

Full Image
http://imgur.com/byNSFUq

An offensive based (to slay) spirit earth armor, this armor wields a double sided spear, glowing with a magenta aura, and a drill like lance on the other hand, also glowing with a magentaish aura.

Clementine
04-14-2015, 12:41 PM
SoulSage Robes

That is my submission:) It is called SoulSage Robes. It will be Fire/Spirit or Earth/Spirit elements depending on you guys:) What i was thinking for the new tier is that you do a new animation to differ them from epics. So have the auras that epics have..but maybe add animated body/armor parts. so in the SoulSage robes the flames on the hood could move and when it does a power attack....the bottom of the robe flare up a bit? SoulSage robes has a mighty axe for combat that will be a purple colour...the staff will be either redish Orange or brownish depending on what secondary element you guys use! The background of the shield will also or purple, the skull white and the a burst of flames behind the skull. The hood part will also be purple with the flames of course red/orange. There are flames on the armors arms and robe that should also be orange/red. And the rest should be purple/brown/red/orange:) there are these crystals all of the armor as well....2 on the shield, 1 on each shoulder, 1 near his stomach, 1 on the staff and a couple at the bottom of the robe. These I would like to glow! Color is up to you guys:)

http://i.imgur.com/9gtXL6I.jpg?1

Clementine
04-14-2015, 12:42 PM
Steampunk Samurai Regalia

Description :

Well it is basically a cross-over of samurai gear and steampunk-technology. Consist of a samurai kabuto/helmet with a gas mask attached and a body armor of a steam based mechanism. The color of the armor is in dark-gradient with basic color of dark red, copper and black trim. A cloud of aura-like steam are injected out from the armor and surrounds the armor to create the unique epic/dragonforged effect. The weapon is a mechanical chainsaw-like broad katana with a trigger on its handle (the concept is inspired from final fantasy 8's gunblade). It comes with a shield (i've edited and made a new more pleasant looking shield than the last one). Originally i planned to attach a bulky steam-powered mechanical gauntlet on the left hand that can shoot out a chained-kunai/blade but to fit the KnD theme, i think a sword and a shield is a better combination.

:- I'm open to any suggestions if you guys think this armor lacking anything that you can add to make it better. And if you have any names that cooler and fit better, just let me know.

Artwork :

http://i.imgur.com/7nsS4qN.jpg

Link :

http://i.imgur.com/7nsS4qN.jpg

Suggested Element :
Fire/Water

Jacobthelsio
04-14-2015, 01:27 PM
I'm voting for soulsage robes, it's awesome!

Jason Hébert
04-14-2015, 01:33 PM
Soulless Crystal Forge

http://i.imgur.com/PdcUsql.jpg?1

This is a identical replica of an armor in League of Legend armor. I hope you will fix this.

Clementine
04-14-2015, 01:58 PM
This is a identical replica of an armor in League of Legend armor. I hope you will fix this.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have disqualified the entry and put a different one in it's place. Our apologies that this happened.

Kyle Katarn
04-14-2015, 02:06 PM
Well, looks like I didn't make it. But I gotta take it like a man. I still have a chance on the boss contest. Most of the finalists are good ideas. I think I'm going to have to go with Steampunk, I voted for Steampunk Ninja last year. Good job everyone!!! Knights and Dragons!!!

jetfire03
04-14-2015, 02:19 PM
Thanks for choosing my Forsaken Slaygear!
http://i.imgur.com/2ClhvIG.jpg?1
Good Luck to everyone!

Peter Sandelis
04-14-2015, 03:03 PM
I could have sworn that my Armor Entry would be a finalist. It had multiple angles of view, and it had a good design.

I even made a video showing all angles of view when I sent it to Gree.

It was too good to refuse.

Home come my armor wasn't chosen as a finalist?:confused::(:(

Helios_Max
04-14-2015, 03:19 PM
+1 for Bright of Dragonkin

I'll remove my entry from the contest. I'm waiting for GREE approval.

Helios_Max
04-14-2015, 03:25 PM
So, I should vote for another one, if it's approved?

I don't think so.... sorry man, you wasted your vote for nothing.

Helios_Max
04-14-2015, 03:26 PM
The Bright of Dragonkin


The Bright of Dragonkin is related to the diplomatic relationship of Man-Dragon. Only those worthy of their trust, the heroes would pass into some impossible challenges in order to win the respect of the Elder Dragons and to succeed to defeat one of their Dark Brethren, affected by the magic of the Dark Lord or known as the father of the Dark Prince. Therefore, many have tried but many have perished....except for one group of powerful warriors. Those who succeed will go into a sacred place, far beyond our imagination and our world, where their mortal bodies will be transformed into pure, magically celestial armor. This armor bounds the both powers of Water and Fire, as a symbol of the Ancient Age where the Mythical Water and Fire Dragons made a pact which their lands will be united as one, forming the Elder Council of the Celestial Dragons (This doesn't have any reference to the event of the Celestial Dragons from the game).

http://i.imgur.com/rnopkCf.jpg

Link to the entry drawing!

http://imgur.com/eoKTQC5
http://imgur.com/f1xp6dj

PS: Thank you Xenia for inspiring me <3

About the armor itself:

The Bright of Dragonkin is an offensive Fire/Water Armor, which makes it design to be Dual-Sword Wielder rather to be the classic Sword-Shield style. Both swords have the same aspect as the one in the photo. ( Well, I could have done better work on the skull detail but nahhh ) Anyway, on the color I will not have that decision because I only like to finish my drawings on Black-White type and... that I love the way GREE choose the colors. As for the auras... The helmet will have some sort of....dense aura, slowly 'escaping' from its eyes. For the body, some aquatic effect and where the little cape is located a fire effect to add more attraction to it. For the swords it's obvious, one with aquatic aura and the other with some infernal aspect.

Remove my entry and replace it with another one Clementine!

Adisty
04-14-2015, 03:28 PM
sorry man, you wasted your vote for nothing.

Ah well, no big deal :)

TaskForceGrizzly
04-14-2015, 04:39 PM
Steampunk Samurai Regalia

KnDAndy
04-14-2015, 05:25 PM
Mine is in there.. surprising 0_o

Peter Sandelis
04-14-2015, 05:26 PM
Mine is in there.. surprising 0_o

The Obsidian armor?

navantgarde
04-14-2015, 05:44 PM
Thanks for choosing my Forsaken Slaygear!
Good Luck to everyone!

Congrats dude. I've said yours are one of the best submissions. Cheers and goodluck to everyone

navantgarde
04-14-2015, 05:46 PM
I'll remove my entry from the contest. I'm waiting for GREE approval.

Eh,why are you withdrawing your entry?

Sean A Roberts
04-14-2015, 05:47 PM
Good job to all the finalists y'all did awesome. Forsakens got my vote but it was very close race with tusk.

Clementine
04-14-2015, 05:54 PM
Remove my entry and replace it with another one Clementine!

We have removed your entry per your request but we will not be replacing it. Since we have already received a large number of votes for other armors, it would be unfair to the new one selected.

Peter Sandelis
04-14-2015, 05:58 PM
We have removed your entry per your request but we will not be replacing it. Since we have already received a large number of votes for other armors, it would be unfair to the new one selected.

Transfer the vote to the new one, then!

Sean A Roberts
04-14-2015, 06:06 PM
Firestorm Robe

Discription:
The entire armour is light blue/white with some things red mixed in. The wapon is in the same combination of colour but it has flames coming out along the entire wapon, and the character is holding the wapon with both hands.

Elements:
Wind and fire

http://i.imgur.com/3SR4viE.jpg

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/23191-Ladies-in-Armor-(5-images)-(-3-updates)-(Painting-tips-needed)

4th image down from 2004

Jeff Zheng
04-14-2015, 06:15 PM
Ohhhhhh bustedddddd lololololololololol

KnDAndy
04-14-2015, 06:43 PM
The Obsidian armor?

Nah, Drakeanic.
Mine seems underwhelming compared to the others.

jetfire03
04-14-2015, 06:49 PM
Congrats dude. I've said yours are one of the best submissions. Cheers and goodluck to everyone


Good job to all the finalists y'all did awesome. Forsakens got my vote but it was very close race with tusk.

Thanks guys!

Asherser
04-14-2015, 07:00 PM
Forsaken slaygear looks sick! Forsaken's got my vote :)

tacticaltaco
04-14-2015, 09:54 PM
Obsidian Forged drakemail is my vote

jetfire03
04-15-2015, 06:09 AM
Foresaken Slaygear

Suggested Elements: Spirit and Earth

Long ago, where dragons freely ruled the land, a dragon with powers over magic and earth sought to rid the earth of evil. Draxoric, the dragon, had lost his friends and family, when monsters corrupted by greed, revenge, and power, destroyed his home and family. Since then, he became a vigilante, fighting to avenge his fallen comrades. But the day came, when Draxoric grew old, and weak, and was beaten during his battle with a demon. Laying there, dying, Draxoric swore to rid the world of the evil, and using his last breath, breathed magic and power into a slaying armor. The slaygears were long lost and forgotten, as they were to only appear to those worthy to carry on his legacy. The Forsaken Slaygear was forged, from the blood, grit, and will of Draxoric, to slay all the evil and bring peace to the world once again.

Full Image
http://imgur.com/byNSFUq

An offensive based (to slay) spirit earth armor, this armor wields a double sided spear, glowing with a magenta aura, and a drill like lance on the other hand, also glowing with a magentaish aura.

Uh, you seem to have misspelled my armor's name. ("Forsaken Slaygear", not "For*e*saken Slaygear") If you can fix this it would be great!

Phill - Immortal GM
04-15-2015, 08:20 AM
What a great way of voting. So organized :-).

Thanks for ruining the possibility of actually determining a fair winner.

Are you even sure all on your current list aren't plagiarized like others before that have been removed?
What if I vote for something you later on determine to disqualify? Lol.

legalious
04-15-2015, 09:20 AM
What if I vote for something you later on determine to disqualify?

Per the rules they will be disqualified and removed. One less winner that that point.

Phill - Immortal GM
04-15-2015, 09:44 AM
Per the rules they will be disqualified and removed. One less winner that that point.

When reading the thread it seemed someone has essentially lost his vote in a similar situation. Correct me if I am wrong :)

legalious
04-15-2015, 09:48 AM
When reading the thread it seemed someone has essentially lost his vote in a similar situation. Correct me if I am wrong :)

Lost vote? Do you mean that their vote did not go through, wont be voting, no one will vote for him or the entry was removed so the votes are removed as well?

Kakarot
04-15-2015, 10:01 AM
Lost vote? Do you mean that their vote did not go through, wont be voting, no one will vote for him or the entry was removed so the votes are removed as well?

I believe he meant what happen if he votes for a drawing which will be disqualified due to plagiarism. Will he lose his vote?

legalious
04-15-2015, 11:17 AM
I believe he meant what happen if he votes for a drawing which will be disqualified due to plagiarism. Will he lose his vote?

Yes, the votes for the individuals who are disqualified become null.

Sean A Roberts
04-15-2015, 11:25 AM
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/23191-Ladies-in-Armor-(5-images)-(-3-updates)-(Painting-tips-needed)

4th image down from 2004

Is this going to be removed it was created in 2004 not by the submitter. Or are you just going to let people waste there votes?

legalious
04-15-2015, 12:11 PM
Is this going to be removed it was created in 2004 not by the submitter. Or are you just going to let people waste there votes?

This entry and the art found online elsewhere, claim to be the same person. This entry will remain until otherwise stated.

Phill - Immortal GM
04-15-2015, 12:40 PM
This should REALLY be done BEFORE the voting stage is reached, don't you think?

You essentially steal other people that have tried hard their votes by not checking up on your 'sources' adequately (generally speaking).
If I barely use the forum and only make my account/log in to vote, then the entry I voted for is taken out and I don't see in time, you just stole my vote for my 2nd choice that would have been someone earning it...

IF this needs to be done via forum/social media, please make sure you actually do it properly. Thanks.

Sean A Roberts
04-15-2015, 02:08 PM
This entry and the art found online elsewhere, claim to be the same person. This entry will remain until otherwise stated.

So I assume you all are taking steps to authenticate then?

Sean A Roberts
04-15-2015, 02:20 PM
http://imgur.com/9Ht4LIs

Here's a solution require all entries to be built off a template so you can be sure they are authentic. And to be honest if in the rules it states all entries need to be in the theme of knights and dragons well answer me this how is art drawn 10+ years before knights and dragon's considered in it's theme?

therealfakie
04-15-2015, 03:30 PM
Steampunk ftw

Helios_Max
04-15-2015, 04:37 PM
http://imgur.com/9Ht4LIs

Here's a solution require all entries to be built off a template so you can be sure they are authentic. And to be honest if in the rules it states all entries need to be in the theme of knights and dragons well answer me this how is art drawn 10+ years before knights and dragon's considered in it's theme?

One of the reasons that I removed my entry when I saw these things happening... Better as a Epic Boss rather and Dragonforged... If the things gets better in the future then I'll design an armor if not...I'll stick to EB.

Ant venom
04-15-2015, 06:36 PM
Firestorm Robe

Discription:
The entire armour is light blue/white with some things red mixed in. The wapon is in the same combination of colour but it has flames coming out along the entire wapon, and the character is holding the wapon with both hands.

Elements:
Wind and fire

http://i.imgur.com/3SR4viE.jpg

This one is plagiarism as stated and maybe u should remove this.

Helios_Max
04-16-2015, 08:28 AM
This entry and the art found online elsewhere, claim to be the same person. This entry will remain until otherwise stated.

Seriously? The same person? Think a little Legalious, that drawing is 10 years old or more... I have a lot of drawings that have more than 3-4 years and I still don't remember them how they were. In my opinion, it's better to come up with a fresh idea rather than a old one that pfff... come on, this can't be possible that this guy remembered of this artwork and posted it as a entry. That doesn't make any sense. But you guys came up at least to contact him to create a different drawing with some specific indications, to see if he's truly the real guy that made this artwork? GREE, if you watch this, you better change your ways of making the things right. Now I truly understand why Reversal got so upset of you... You're not even trying to make the things correctly done.

legalious
04-16-2015, 09:34 AM
Seriously? The same person? Think a little Legalious, that drawing is 10 years old or more... I have a lot of drawings that have more than 3-4 years and I still don't remember them how they were. In my opinion, it's better to come up with a fresh idea rather than a old one that pfff... come on, this can't be possible that this guy remembered of this artwork and posted it as a entry. That doesn't make any sense. But you guys came up at least to contact him to create a different drawing with some specific indications, to see if he's truly the real guy that made this artwork? GREE, if you watch this, you better change your ways of making the things right. Now I truly understand why Reversal got so upset of you... You're not even trying to make the things correctly done.

The last contest we had, my drawing was over 10 years old as well. I only created it on a whim and stored it for posterity. The contest should be revised next time to where it must be a NEW idea and drawing, though currently there is no rule like that.

therealfakie
04-16-2015, 04:02 PM
This, is amazing <3 I'd push for it

Kakarot
04-17-2015, 07:02 AM
Forsaken Slaygear has to win it, best project overall, not mentioning about details, colours and all passion in it. You have my blessing.

Phill - Immortal GM
04-17-2015, 08:20 AM
Forsaken Slaygear has to win it, best project overall, not mentioning about details, colours and all passion in it. You have my blessing.

I was about to comment "Agree" then I remembered I didn't vote for it :p but yeah. lol

Helios_Max
04-17-2015, 08:53 AM
I was about to comment "Agree" then I remembered I didn't vote for it :p but yeah. lol

Lol, troll comment :P

WA-chaos
04-17-2015, 10:52 AM
My vote goes to Tusk Warlord Battlesuit. It look so good

Phill - Immortal GM
04-17-2015, 11:59 AM
My vote goes to Tusk Warlord Battlesuit. It look so good

What I voted for. However, the SlayGear looks like something more appealing to the masses.
However, all Earth/Fire combos so far have been visually-badass, thus voting for the Tusk Suit

Clementine
04-17-2015, 12:17 PM
Please refrain from attacking and insulting our Moderators. I spoke with Legalious about the concerns regarding this entry. We addressed these concerns when the finalists were chosen and decide to move forward with allowing this entry, despite the fact that it was an older design.

We will clarify the rules further for future contests.

jetfire03
04-17-2015, 01:30 PM
Forsaken slaygear looks sick! Forsaken's got my vote :)


Forsaken Slaygear has to win it, best project overall, not mentioning about details, colours and all passion in it. You have my blessing.

Thanks!



I was about to comment "Agree" then I remembered I didn't vote for it :p but yeah. lol

Thanks...? XD

Helios_Max
04-17-2015, 04:41 PM
Please refrain from attacking and insulting our Moderators. I spoke with Legalious about the concerns regarding this entry. We addressed these concerns when the finalists were chosen and decide to move forward with allowing this entry, despite the fact that it was an older design.

We will clarify the rules further for future contests.

We need to talk Clementine. It's about the stats of the Darkscale Battlegear. The stats are lower than Phoenix Ward +. Can you explain me what is going on? I can consider this decision as a insult to my work as well those 4 months without any news. What really funny that me and Kathy didn't received the + version.

Soberranger
04-17-2015, 07:29 PM
Divine Warden...Love the design, seems truly different from anything currently in game, yet still feels like it fits the theme

Clementine
04-20-2015, 11:51 AM
Thank you to all who participated in the contest, and in voting. The turnout was amazing!

Please Note: It is against the rules to vote multiple times. This includes clearing your cookies and re-voting. These duplicate votes WILL be removed (yes, we have ways of finding out). Continual cheating will be grounds to have your entry disqualified and you will be prohibited from participating in future contests.

And without further ado....

The votes have been tallied! Our winning armor for our second (but not last) Design a Dragonforged Armor Contest is:

Obsidian Forged Drakemail by Eddie/BTH Seph

Elements - duo - Fire/Earth

Weapon - *Dragonglass blade
- Dragon Skull Hilt - throat fire crystal coats the blade in dragons flame

Armor - Plated obsidian
- a drake wing to nullify flame/heat
- small drake skull and teeth belt

Shield - obsidian plates combined with drake teeth and wing strips

*the glass forged by dragons fire (obsidian) is forged with such heat that it becomes more dense then tempered steel whilst retaining a light weight prospect, providing protection from heat and razor sharp edges in weaponry. dragon scales used to bind the armors grant a natural defense against any enemy from above gaining the earthen element :)

http://i.imgur.com/tkCuJBr.jpg

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Again, thank you to all who participated. Prizes will be distributed by April 30th!