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Max Power
10-27-2011, 07:50 PM
......can people many levels above you attack you? I am at level 59 and do not want to go to 60 if that's where it starts.

corpsegrinder
10-27-2011, 07:59 PM
I'm at lvl 78 and this just started happening to me. You're safe for a while. A few days ago I started getting attacked by lvls 95 to 115. Dont know how I'm on their rival list. Their not on mine

KronicK
10-27-2011, 08:29 PM
yeah, around 78-> 85( my current level)

Mb Tnk
10-27-2011, 08:35 PM
At some level point (wish I knew when that was), the number of mafia you have will dictate who from above you will see you. I guess it all comes down to how many players there are on each level, and to keep it interesting for the level 100+ players.

What I would like to know is, is this a SET level or does it change based on the number of active players in the high range?

xclusiv
10-27-2011, 08:36 PM
it starts at around 80, when you hit 90 then you will be so angry, when half your list is 120 - 200 level, but the good thing is they dont really bother you unless you attack them alot and still they dont usually attack you much

khung003
10-27-2011, 08:38 PM
below level 70, the rival list show strictly follow current level.
above 70 the rival list expand.
in 70s i see +/- 5 levels
80s +/- 10 levels
90s +/- 15 levels
and so on.

that's why they, higher levels, see you.

Note: there are some exceptions for seeing people at higher levels than you, base on your strength. I attacked level 120 - 200 since 80s so it depends on strength as well.

Mb Tnk
10-27-2011, 08:41 PM
below level 70, the rival list show strictly follow current level.
above 70 the rival list expand.
in 70s i see +/- 5 levels
80s +/- 10 levels
90s +/- 15 levels
and so on.

that's why they, higher levels, see you.

Note: there are some exceptions for seeing people at higher levels than you, base on their strength. I attack level 120 - 200 since 80s so it depends on strength as well.

Good breakdown, thanks. :)

Max Power
10-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Yep, very good info, thanks!

Melvin Tan
10-27-2011, 09:33 PM
personally i think it has gotta do with the number of mafias size u have.
once i had 300 mafia, the enemy list i have, had players with high lvls and ard 400-420 size.
once i downgrade my mafia size to 230, those high lvl players are less seen.
i'm at 101 now and on my enemy list, 90% are ranging from lvl 7x to 9x, mafia size ranging from 200 to 350

whocareswhatmynameis
10-27-2011, 10:13 PM
personally i think it has gotta do with the number of mafias size u have.
once i had 300 mafia, the enemy list i have, had players with high lvls and ard 400-420 size.
once i downgrade my mafia size to 230, those high lvl players are less seen.
i'm at 101 now and on my enemy list, 90% are ranging from lvl 7x to 9x, mafia size ranging from 200 to 350

good to know that downsizing is an effective strategy even at higher levels!

Duke.0
10-27-2011, 10:30 PM
Ok so something i was just thinking about.

I just got 108 mafia total. I use full items in each fight (540 items)

What if...
I downsize to only get mafia to equip my top gear?
What would that do for me?
Example:

I have 9 x M4A1, 4x Bloody AK, 22xTommy Gun
What if i only had 34 mafia?

Would i just only be able to fight people with 34 mafia too?

whocareswhatmynameis
10-27-2011, 10:50 PM
What if i only had 34 mafia? Would i just only be able to fight people with 34 mafia too?

Well not exactly, but close. 20s-40s range. For example, I have 65 mafia, my fight list has 50s-80s range.

As you just realized, it is not just enough to equip all your mafia. You have to equip them with the best weapons. For instance, I can equip 225 members with at least one gun, melee and armor. I choose not to do that because most of my weapons are crap-- pistol, broken bottle, trench coat, etc. And so, I keep a smaller mafia with most weaponry purchased by respect points.

Duke.0
10-28-2011, 10:02 AM
Ok, that makes sense.

Lets see, the game registers what items it uses by "attack" values so i suppose i can figure out my ideal mafia size for the items i have based off some simple numbers.


Guns:
Total of 63 Guns over 7 attack, my top 50 is decent at my low level 43 for guns.

Melee:
Total of 31 melee over 4 attack (guess i need to work on melee items, these suck!)

Armor:
Total of 72 items over 6 defense. Looks like i got a good top 50 in armor

Cars:
Top 50 cars seem to be all above 3-4 attack too.

Perhaps my magic number for "strong" mafia is 50?

What do you think, should i drop from 108 mafia, to 50? i'm level 43

EDIT: I just dropped to 69 mafia and to my surprise, my attack /defense dropped too however, Not by a TON!

With 108 Mafia i had
2300 Attack
2400 Defense


Now i'm down to:
1965 Attack
2089 Defense

This means i'm using stronger equipment by All mafia members now. Which would, in the long run, provide me with a really strong mafia later on when im' level 100.

Hm...I might drop it down to 65 shortly to narrow down the equipment used and make me much stronger for the mafia size.

whocareswhatmynameis
10-28-2011, 08:34 PM
I just dropped to 69 mafia and to my surprise, my attack /defense dropped too however, Not by a TON!

With 108 Mafia i had
2300 Attack
2400 Defense


Now i'm down to:
1965 Attack
2089 Defense

a rough estimate i use is 30 attack points for each mafia. that would translate to 69*30= 2070 attack points. you are getting close to the mark.

Duke.0
10-28-2011, 08:41 PM
a rough estimate i use is 30 attack points for each mafia. that would translate to 69*30= 2070 attack points. you are getting close to the mark.

I dropped to 66 mafia (actually 65 the game added 1 henchmen for killing 22 people in a row)

66 *30 = 1980
Currently mine says 1940atk / 2072def

Hm...Where did you come up with 30atk/mafia member?

I just checked my "old" bigger mafia numbers, i was not near the 30atk/mafia. I was at 2400atk and when i did the math 108mafia*30 = 3240.....yeah...lots of poorly equipped mafia members.



Once you hit the mark, do you add 1 mafia member?


EDIT: I just took the reverse of what you did.
1940atk/66mafia = 29.393939 atk per mafia member

is the idea behind this to get above 30 atk per member you have in your mafia?
I look at my rivals, and some people are at 9.6, 15.2, 19.7.....seems everybody has under-equipped mafia if i go by your standard of 30atk per mafia member. (which seems to be working, i hardly ever loose a fight unless its to a gold rival.)

Melvin Tan
10-28-2011, 08:59 PM
it all depends on individual. u can set the bench mark of each mob's atk to which ever your comfortable with.
currently mine is 45 atk per mob. and im not really satified with it. trying to see if i can go to 5x or maybe 60 before adding more mobs

Duke.0
10-28-2011, 09:03 PM
it all depends on individual. u can set the bench mark of each mob's atk to which ever your comfortable with.
currently mine is 45 atk per mob. and im not really satified with it. trying to see if i can go to 5x or maybe 60 before adding more mobs

Really? That's prettty high to have 45 per mafia member! I'm no expert on this, i have been looking at my rivals the last 10 or 15 minutes and everybody is at 8atk to 20atk/mafia member. Good job Melvin Tan for getting it that high, awesome :)

Melvin Tan
10-28-2011, 09:51 PM
lol....?no need for that...

whocareswhatmynameis
10-28-2011, 10:08 PM
Hm...Where did you come up with 30atk/mafia member?


i made it up, honest. no scientific foundation. however, as you stated, other players have much lower atk/member ratios.



currently mine is 45 atk per mob. and im not really satified with it.

that's pretty high. just curious, do you use real cash?

Duke.0
10-28-2011, 10:17 PM
i made it up, honest. no scientific foundation. however, as you stated, other players have much lower atk/member ratios.



that's pretty high. just curious, do you use real cash?

Your number you came up with seems to hold water. I have only lost fights recently with one person, and that is due to their use of gold items. However, the rival's stats were lower then mine and so was his Atk/Mafia Member number too....so i'm not sure i understand how i lost.

Regardless of that, your 30 atk per mafia member number seems legit and pretty strong!

In the last hour i have been seeing rivals numbers (level 46), i'll post up in a few minutes the average ATK/Mafia ratio in this thread. Once i gather a large enough sample to accurately say a average and range.

Melvin Tan
10-28-2011, 10:29 PM
i made it up, honest. no scientific foundation. however, as you stated, other players have much lower atk/member ratios.



that's pretty high. just curious, do you use real cash?

nope. no cash on equipment. i did spend cash for money genrating building.

khung003
10-28-2011, 10:38 PM
how many mobs you have ?

Melvin Tan
10-28-2011, 10:39 PM
how many mobs you have ?

only 200 mobs

khung003
10-28-2011, 10:46 PM
as I thought.

Duke.0
10-28-2011, 10:46 PM
Mafia Attack Strength

Sample:
15 people level 46 with mafia's ranging from 60 to 90 members.

High Attack Number = 18
Low Attack Number = 9
Average = 14.8

For those who know a little about statistics, the larger the sample the more accurate the data is, however, in this case, i would be willing to bet that even those who are level 100, probably can experience similar Mafia Attack Numbers.

If anyone wants to add to this data, i just took their Mafia Attack divided by their number of mafia members and rounded up or down to do this. I put the info in a Excel Spread sheet and had Excel calculate the average using the formula =average(A1:A15)

Conclusion?
Having a mafia attack of 30 is pretty damn good :)

whocareswhatmynameis
10-29-2011, 07:42 AM
Mafia Attack Strength

Conclusion?
Having a mafia attack of 30 is pretty damn good :)

i'm glad that my theory survived your rigorous scrutiny. ;)

Duke.0
10-29-2011, 09:27 AM
I just wanted to compare to others, not saying you were right or wrong, just curious to see what everybody else had because i had never thought of this before.

Thanks to you i now have:

67 mafia (just got another henchmen from championship round 15...)
2025 atk
2166 def
which is 30.2 attack per mafia!

Can it be said that a new mafia member adds +16 attack always? Or does it vary by equipment?

I got to get my defense higher, i don't like it this low. Any suggestions? Defense buildings?

Lana Mano
10-30-2011, 03:12 PM
35.32attk per mob of 500 atm
if i lower my mob... Itll go higher?
as much as i wanna try the downsizing... its already taking forever to achieve the Hellraiser goal of raising attack to 19000k

Kirbnite
10-30-2011, 03:30 PM
35.32attk per mob of 500 atm
if i lower my mob... Itll go higher?
as much as i wanna try the downsizing... its already taking forever to achieve the Hellraiser goal of raising attack to 19000k

Assuming your level 100 and using 500 mafia. Dropping mafia may increase the strength of each member but you would lose x amount of attack and defense as you would be bring less than the max number of items allowed. His Stradegy is so he is strong in relation to the rivals in his list.

Your goal of 19000 Atk means you need an average of 38 for 500 mafia members. 500*38 = 19,000

khung003
10-30-2011, 04:18 PM
@Kirbnite, she is much stronger and experienced than you. Instead of telling her something should do, you better learn the way she play this game.

@Lana: you nearly reach to the limit of strength, it's really hard to achieve that. I'm about 300, it's ok for 39/mob but reach to 40/mob is hard like hell. If you want to reach 40/mob, you need to change the way you play.