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YLL
07-18-2012, 12:03 PM
Divide your Defence score by number of allies. There is a separate poll for attack density.

Mine is 160.55, forty allies.

MaverickMunkey
07-18-2012, 12:26 PM
Mine is 126.55 @ 240 allies.

Everson25
07-18-2012, 12:29 PM
Mine is just 131, I need to improve this area.

Crazy Canuck
07-18-2012, 12:33 PM
Mine is 137 with 101 allies

YLL
07-18-2012, 12:35 PM
Mine is just 131, I need to improve this area.

My suspicion, based on my personal in-game observations, is that this poll will prove you to be overly-modest. :)

Everson25
07-18-2012, 12:35 PM
Mine is 137 with 101 alliesWith all those prizes on your stats I don't feel that bad anymore as a free player.

Dewsy
07-18-2012, 12:36 PM
95 with 450 allies, 42.6k def

BrodawgCanada
07-18-2012, 12:39 PM
So do I divide my defense of 62,000 by my 500 allies??? It's 124 if that is the case.......

YLL
07-18-2012, 12:42 PM
So do I divide my defense of 62,000 by my 500 allies??? It's 124 if that is the case.......

Yup, that's right. :)

GetItOn
07-18-2012, 12:45 PM
2136 with 1 ally. LoL

BrodawgCanada
07-18-2012, 12:46 PM
So really the less allies you have the better it will be!!! So my 124 for my 500 allies is good...... If I had only 1 Allie it would be huge!!! It would be around 250.......

YLL
07-18-2012, 12:50 PM
So really the less allies you have the better it will be!!! So my 124 for my 500 allies is good...... If I had only 1 Allie it would be huge!!! It would be around 250.......

Yes and no... A high density is great against players with similar numbers of allies... but ultimately, a low-density high-ally player is more likely to be able to defeat a high-density low-ally player than vice-versa.

Also, I stress that this survey is really just more for curiosity and comparison - it's not about win or lose. :)

Jnesbitt82
07-18-2012, 12:50 PM
154.3 with only 38 allies. I'm currently level 50.

BrodawgCanada
07-18-2012, 01:02 PM
So really the less allies you have the better it will be!!! So my 124 for my 500 allies is good...... If I had only 1 Allie it would be huge!!! It would be around 250.......Sorry it would be more than that I forgot that I had event units to factor in, I was calculating my high priests..... CAUTION marijuana may effect the memory!! Lol

The_Red
07-18-2012, 01:23 PM
144 w/ 274 allies.

GetItOn
07-18-2012, 01:30 PM
174 with 122 allies.

ShawnBB
07-18-2012, 02:32 PM
160 density with 333 Allie :)

Is this a free player poll? Or some gem dudes already jammed in to raise this thing up...

Aoxoa
07-18-2012, 02:34 PM
This is a useless statistic that people with low ally counts are using to feel better about themselves. Raw A & D are the only numbers that matter.

ShawnBB
07-18-2012, 02:44 PM
This is a useless statistic that people with low ally counts are using to feel better about themselves. Raw A & D are the only numbers that matter.

True, but sometimes you have to stay away from 500 full Allie, whales gonna eat you alive.

Higher raw def /= safer. I'm trying to find some Allie amount to save for lvl3 manor, any suggestion:confused:

BadNews
07-18-2012, 02:46 PM
True, but sometimes you have to stay away from 500 full Allie, whales gonna eat you alive.

Higher raw def /= safer. I'm trying to find some Allie amount to save for lvl3 manor, any suggestion:confused:

My suggestion is to allies with those whales. I got two lvl3 manors. Lol

I'm 148.8 with 498 allies

ShawnBB
07-18-2012, 02:58 PM
My suggestion is to allies with those whales. I got two lvl3 manors. Lol

I'm 148.8 with 498 allies

You smell like a bloody whale.lol Add me up!
Already had some cool whale friends, will try to get more before saving.

Hapl0
07-18-2012, 03:06 PM
128,82 w/40 allies :s

Masterjojobinks
07-18-2012, 03:15 PM
I thought I was doing good. I have 89 for a defense density with 115 allies.

Tiki
07-18-2012, 03:17 PM
Density 171.5 with 135 allies

Masterjojobinks
07-18-2012, 03:49 PM
So I wanted to know what my potential for defense density. With my current buildings and level the my max defense density is 183. Keep in mind it would cost a total of $22,062,750 on top of the cost of the buildings to get what I need. I have spent about $1,924,617 in the game so far, so I have a couple years to get to a density of 183.

Deskjockey
07-18-2012, 06:38 PM
169 with 40 allies. I guess I'm doing alright. I've maxed out on high pimps for my ally count.

echus14
07-18-2012, 07:20 PM
45 (mercy ....) :p

Hapl0
07-18-2012, 07:26 PM
Lol echus, you could only going up. Cheers!

Zesder
07-18-2012, 08:27 PM
102 with 143 allies. Time to work on my defense again.

echus14
07-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Lol echus, you could only going up. Cheers!

At Lvl 39 and 8000 defence points, do you think I am having too many allies (180+)?

GetItOn
07-18-2012, 08:49 PM
At Lvl 39 and 8000 defence points, do you think I am having too many allies (180+)?

Easy answer is if you have 540 good units and 540 good armor/weps then yes. If not then lower it down a bit.

echus14
07-18-2012, 11:17 PM
Thanks and pls forgive if the next question seems silly ... still trying to get used to the nuances of this game. What exactly is the impact of defence (or for that matter, attack) density.? Its the first time I've seen it mentioned, so am wondering how it actually will affect (as opposed to being just a statistic)? TIA for the help.

Jhoemel
07-18-2012, 11:23 PM
Mine is 88.1

GetItOn
07-18-2012, 11:34 PM
Thanks and pls forgive if the next question seems silly ... still trying to get used to the nuances of this game. What exactly is the impact of defence (or for that matter, attack) density.? Its the first time I've seen it mentioned, so am wondering how it actually will affect (as opposed to being just a statistic)? TIA for the help.

In the grand scheme it's kind of pointless because you can always get attacked by someone with 30+ more allies and less density and lose. Total Attack and total Defense is what matters. Just judge yer strength by what other ppl around yer ally count have in your Battle List.

echus14
07-18-2012, 11:58 PM
OK, thanks. Would have felt rather bad about axing allies :o

YLL
07-19-2012, 12:55 AM
OK, thanks. Would have felt rather bad about axing allies :o

Just camp a little and buy some value-for-money units (e.g. HP for defence). Density is important in relation to competitors with similar ally counts and at your level, you wouldn't see people too wildly higher in number of allies. So, your win:loss ratio should be improved with higher densities.

For example, I was Level 39 just last week, with 40 allies (the reasons I'm at Level 44 now is I moved up a couple of levels to buy the Manors, and then there was that last Event). Had I been able to see you on my Battle List, not known you were a forumite and thought you had sufficient cash unvaulted to make it worthwilhe (for example), I would have just added a handful of allies and been able to take the cash of your hands, even though your ally count is 4-5x mine.

Bea
07-19-2012, 01:00 AM
192 with 168 allies

Great_wall2
07-19-2012, 01:14 AM
192 with 168 allies

Dang that's crazy high density, I'm at 168 with 200 allies...

echus14
07-19-2012, 01:20 AM
Just camp a little and buy some value-for-money units (e.g. HP for defence). Density is important in relation to competitors with similar ally counts and at your level, you wouldn't see people too wildly higher in number of allies. So, your win:loss ratio should be improved with higher densities.

For example, I was Level 39 just last week, with 40 allies (the reasons I'm at Level 44 now is I moved up a couple of levels to buy the Manors, and then there was that last Event). Had I been able to see you on my Battle List, not known you were a forumite and thought you had sufficient cash unvaulted to make it worthwilhe (for example), I would have just added a handful of allies and been able to take the cash of your hands, even though your ally count is 4-5x mine.

Eek! OK, thanks for the advice. What I don't understand is how density works versus straight A/D points in a battle scenario. Looking around at the other people reflected on the battle listing, I guess I'm in the higher 40% based on straight A/D points. Most are around 4K-6K. The upper end tends to be around 10K-12K, with a handful of bigger sharks mixed in. Could I trouble you for an elaboration purely for my understanding (again, sorry if I am being slow here)?

On an aside, I'd be sending you a PM to request an alliance so that if I have do catch up with you level-wise, you won't take a big bite out of me (which hopefully won't happen anyway till I have to exceed the vault max since I'm one of those miserly people who quickly squirrels away even the 17 gold piece outputs).

Bea
07-19-2012, 01:54 AM
Dang that's crazy high density, I'm at 168 with 200 allies...

Just bought a weapon and an armour to quickly find out my lowest equipment in use and it worked out as weapon 3/4 and armour 2/5. L84, think I'll camp and do some upgrades and wait for new maps to farm, so my stats won't be increasing for a while.

Timbathia
07-19-2012, 02:50 AM
Just bought a weapon and an armour to quickly find out my lowest equipment in use and it worked out as weapon 3/4 and armour 2/5. L84, think I'll camp and do some upgrades and wait for new maps to farm, so my stats won't be increasing for a while.

What, you mean spending money on equipment you dont need is easier than sifting through the highly logical and user-friendly way that funzio have designed your equipment inventory? I dont believe that even for a second.

Bea
07-19-2012, 03:47 AM
What, you mean spending money on equipment you dont need is easier than sifting through the highly logical and user-friendly way that funzio have designed your equipment inventory? I dont believe that even for a second.

I know, how hard can it be to see my best weapons out of my 136 unique weapon types all ordered so logically? I must be a moron lol.

Joe Brown1
07-19-2012, 04:25 AM
189 density with 183 allies, lvl 72

Bea
07-19-2012, 04:29 AM
189 density with 183 allies, lvl 72

Impressive. Have you bought much equipment or just good farming?

Joe Brown1
07-19-2012, 04:59 AM
good farming - as you get to higher levels of allies even mid level equipment (15 to 20 total a/d) helps your stats a lot in quantity. It's easier to farm, keeps your stats higher early and by the time you replace it you should have an economy that can easily afford much better equipment. All my purchases currently are the pimps and siege towers. Just got the Avenging Spirit in OT - that helps:). Besides you have better density with only slightly less allies

Addyman
07-19-2012, 05:15 AM
161.4 per ally (234 Allies). 37.7K Defence.

YLL
07-19-2012, 11:34 AM
Eek! OK, thanks for the advice. What I don't understand is how density works versus straight A/D points in a battle scenario. Looking around at the other people reflected on the battle listing, I guess I'm in the higher 40% based on straight A/D points. Most are around 4K-6K. The upper end tends to be around 10K-12K, with a handful of bigger sharks mixed in. Could I trouble you for an elaboration purely for my understanding (again, sorry if I am being slow here)?


Well, think of density as the function that relates number of allies and "straight" A/D points.

For example, say Player A has 100 allies and Attack Density per Ally of 50. 100 x 50 = 5000 attack points. If Player B also has 100 allies but has an attack density of 100, Player B has 10,000 attack points. Therefore, for a given number of allies, the higher-density player is more powerful.

One way to counter Player B's density is for Player A to increase number of allies, assuming Player A can maintain attack density. So, if Player A adds 101 allies, (100+101) x 50 = 10,050. Player A could thus beat Player B...

The catch is that with Player A having so many more allies, Player A will no longer see Player B on his Battle List. Instead, Player A will now be on Player C's battlelist - and Player C could well be something like 200 allies and 100 attack density, for total attack points of 20,000(!). So, Player A's circumstances have not improved - and in practice, often deteriorates as those in Player A's position usually will not be able to equip the additional 101 units to the same standard as the first 100.

Hope that helps.

The_Red
07-19-2012, 11:38 AM
I know, how hard can it be to see my best weapons out of my 136 unique weapon types all ordered so logically? I must be a moron lol.

... just attack someone. Its all sorted in that screen. ;)

YLL
07-19-2012, 11:41 AM
192 with 168 allies

Wow, the girls on this forum generally have pretty impressive vital statistics. ;)

Hapl0
07-19-2012, 11:46 AM
Yeah, girls know how to play and sometimes better than us.

Bea
07-19-2012, 12:06 PM
Besides you have better density with only slightly less allies

But you have 12 levels' less XP used...

Euchred
07-19-2012, 04:30 PM
201.08 Free player

YLL
07-19-2012, 11:45 PM
201.08 Free player

Very impressive, I wonder if that makes you the highest-density free player... What level are you at and how many allies?

echus14
07-19-2012, 11:47 PM
Well, think of density as the function that relates number of allies and "straight" A/D points.

For example, say Player A has 100 allies and Attack Density per Ally of 50. 100 x 50 = 5000 attack points. If Player B also has 100 allies but has an attack density of 100, Player B has 10,000 attack points. Therefore, for a given number of allies, the higher-density player is more powerful.

One way to counter Player B's density is for Player A to increase number of allies, assuming Player A can maintain attack density. So, if Player A adds 101 allies, (100+101) x 50 = 10,050. Player A could thus beat Player B...

The catch is that with Player A having so many more allies, Player A will no longer see Player B on his Battle List. Instead, Player A will now be on Player C's battlelist - and Player C could well be something like 200 allies and 100 attack density, for total attack points of 20,000(!). So, Player A's circumstances have not improved - and in practice, often deteriorates as those in Player A's position usually will not be able to equip the additional 101 units to the same standard as the first 100.

Hope that helps.

Thanks very much YLL for the clear explanation. I had initially thought that PvP (or even raiding) was purely a straight comparison between of A vs D points for the attacking and defending players respectively. But, then I have come across instances when I've beaten someone despite my A points being a little lower than my opponents D points (not a lot lower, but still ...). Wasn't sure why that would work, but likely your explanation is the reason. Thanks again!

YLL
07-19-2012, 11:58 PM
Thanks very much YLL for the clear explanation. I had initially thought that PvP (or even raiding) was purely a straight comparison between of A vs D points for the attacking and defending players respectively. But, then I have come across instances when I've beaten someone despite my A points being a little lower than my opponents D points (not a lot lower, but still ...). Wasn't sure why that would work, but likely your explanation is the reason. Thanks again!

Actually, that one's a little bit more complicated... There's various hidden boosts and skill points that come into the mix... You will be guaranteed to win if you are clearly superior, but when points are close, the APPARENTLY weaker player can win. There is also an element of chance that is greater the closer two players A and D are (hence you can win some battles and lose others in a series of attacks against the same opponent at a given time, even if nothing else changes).

Dexter Morgan
07-20-2012, 06:00 AM
105 w/ 203 allies

Euchred
07-20-2012, 03:11 PM
Very impressive, I wonder if that makes you the highest-density free player... What level are you at and how many allies?

Level 100 only 190 allies, working on getting back up hopefully farming goes better now. Thinking about just buying the weapons and armor from the store.

Hello Kitty
07-20-2012, 03:13 PM
Level 100 only 190 allies, working on getting back up hopefully farming goes better now. Thinking about just buying the weapons and armor from the store.That's what I'm doing now as well. Armor is moving the dial on my defense nicely.

Joe Brown1
07-20-2012, 05:23 PM
201.08 Free player

Ya got me beat as a free player - great stat:)

Talkazar
07-20-2012, 10:59 PM
126 with 483 allies (and I thought defense of 61k was good...).

As others have said, density will tend to go down as your allies increase as a) you simply can't afford to equip them in good gear, and PvE finds are only a small amount of what you need and b) any special units become a smaller and smaller part of the total.

For all of that, I don't think there is any 'safe' spot in terms of no of allies. If you are below the level that most whales can see you, people with 2x your no of allies can still see you and there is a good chance that some of them have the A to get through even the strongest D.