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RandomUser
03-19-2013, 11:44 AM
The maximum number of times you can attack someone seems to have been reduced to 10 or 12.

Anyone else experience this?

MidnightExpress
03-19-2013, 11:51 AM
The maximum number of times you can attack someone seems to have been reduced to 10 or 12.

Anyone else experience this?

Yeah, noticed this happening but wasn't sure what was going on..

VVolf
03-19-2013, 01:28 PM
Hmmmm now thats a reasonable conclusion! :D

Haha, I kept thinking that another player just coincidentally also found the same overvaulted player and that combined we had attacked him 20 times.

GreenGuru
03-19-2013, 01:31 PM
Yeah, noticed this happening but wasn't sure what was going on..

ooo, thanks for reminding me I still had some hits to put on my current Flynn boss. Almost forgot haha

Edit: Also just realized you were talking about hitting people and not a boss, excuse my slight of mind :p

Eddie_m63
03-19-2013, 01:54 PM
Hmmmm now thats a reasonable conclusion! :D

Haha, I kept thinking that another player just coincidentally also found the same overvaulted player and that combined we had attacked him 20 times.
Me too lol, now i can save my gold.

MidnightExpress
03-19-2013, 02:32 PM
Edit: Also just realized you were talking about hitting people and not a boss, excuse my slight of mind :p

GreenGuru, with everything that's going on right now, your excused... LTE's, LTQ', Boss, Donate, Raid, Attack...whew. Need a vacation, oh Yeah, WAR.......

Totalwar
03-19-2013, 06:09 PM
Yep been reduced to 10 kind of sucks as there very little gold as it is since the guilds started.Greedly Gree stikes again they want us buy gold with money not get gold for free.

GreenGuru
03-19-2013, 06:29 PM
Yep been reduced to 10 kind of sucks as there very little gold as it is since the guilds started.Greedly Gree stikes again they want us buy gold with money not get gold for free.

I dunno, in a way this could be their efforts to make it easier to do a BD10 run by not allowing people to get hit as much. On the other hand though many people doing BD10 runs these days kind of rely on PvP to gain cash faster before they get hit by anyone stronger

War Eagle
03-19-2013, 09:51 PM
I noticed the change too (the number of hits). But has anyone noticed... have they changed the time frame between hits as well? I believe it was a four hour window, right?

RotoMan
03-19-2013, 09:52 PM
Same here. I noticed the change tonight.

jonny0284
03-20-2013, 04:24 AM
Yeah, it's horrible. I'll just punish their buildings now, too.


All the way down to Cottages & Bunkers. I hope they cry on my wall.

jonny0284
03-20-2013, 04:53 AM
I'm on a personal Quest now to reclaim the glory of being a player that is ruthless.

XP = infinite
Gold = 0
Smiles = enough to make me keep playing

Berneburg
03-20-2013, 06:54 AM
This change is just not cool at all. I specifically raised my stamina to 20 to allow me take take 198k when I found that rare rube that was so far overvault. If I had known this was the ultimate status I would have allocated skill points differently.

Ruston
03-20-2013, 07:40 AM
This change is just about the fairest thing happening in this game recently eventhough its really unpopular to mention it since the main part of the gemdoped numbercruncherbullies resides here.

So what if you cant shave off 198'000 gold off one unlucky player in one go?... there is nothing stopping you from swapping target and harass somebody else with the remaining 10stamina.

How long do you think it takes an average non-gem player to regenerate the 100k youve stolen?...
Lets see.. at 10k iph~ abouth 10 hours.. and since you can come back to harass after 4hours? ..go figure

Gree needs to keep the game interesting to others than the hack/cheaters and the gempumpers.
And if you get a 100k kick to the sack/setback you do get a 4hour window when they just cant touch you.. and in some cases that is the motivation needed to keep the game interesting. (yes gree and other companies actually needs customers to carry on)


@Berneburg: you can still be an unwanted parasite bully feeding on others.. the change only prevents you from being a double lazy laidback unwanted parasite bully..
And there is still 1million other ways to be an *("rhymes with brass-pole") in this game and on the internet.. just take your pick.

jonny0284
03-20-2013, 09:03 AM
I'll just tell everyone else to come and attack/raid that person, too. Someway, somehow that person will lose the 198,000 that I was due.

Call me the IRS, baby, I'm coming for that money.

JPFAS
03-20-2013, 09:19 AM
Maybe this change means that max vault will stay at 330k. Everybody was expecting an increase.

marebear
03-20-2013, 09:50 AM
@Ruston, it's a war/battle game. You seem to have an issue with the raiding of gold. It would be a very boring game if all you did was build your kingdom and collect gold. Lots of players had to do their bd10 runs without a 10 hit cap and they did it. It's part of the excitement and challenge to finally get enough gold and push the build button. You call people bully's but really that's how the game is played. I am pretty strong in this game but there are plenty of people who are stronger than me. I don't whine or cry on their walls (or be vulgar) when they raid or attack me fair and square. Collect on time. Vault your cash. If you go over, buy stuff, donate to your faction. But don't cry when your fake gold is stolen.

GreenGuru
03-20-2013, 10:21 AM
Call me the IRS, baby, I'm coming for that money.

haha, funny. I see a name change at hand

itsaklayton
03-20-2013, 11:09 AM
Here, here! Or is it hear, hear.

Q-Ball
03-20-2013, 11:18 AM
@Ruston - like Marebear said. it's a game. we all raid each other for the income. you should give it a try. it wouldn't be a part of the game if it wasn't an option. If you're not raiding then you're too scared and your stats aren't strong enough cause you fear retaliation. Go raid, build your army and stats and you'll be fine. "everybody's doing it".

if anything this change puts BD10 runs back in play (slightly) for those who haven't done it yet. With guilds and everyone raiding every kingdom it was much harder to make the run.

GreenGuru
03-20-2013, 11:35 AM
@Ruston - like Marebear said. it's a game. we all raid each other for the income. you should give it a try. it wouldn't be a part of the game if it wasn't an option. If you're not raiding then you're too scared and your stats aren't strong enough cause you fear retaliation. Go raid, build your army and stats and you'll be fine. "everybody's doing it".

if anything this change puts BD10 runs back in play (slightly) for those who haven't done it yet. With guilds and everyone raiding every kingdom it was much harder to make the run.

I go periods of time without raiding these days just because when I do go raiding I realize I might spend way to much time staring at my screen trying to find someone who has manors I can raid.

Also I JUST realized your avatar image was that from The Rock, haha good movie.

Q-Ball
03-20-2013, 12:16 PM
I go periods of time without raiding these days just because when I do go raiding I realize I might spend way to much time staring at my screen trying to find someone who has manors I can raid.

Also I JUST realized your avatar image was that from The Rock, haha good movie.

yeah, it has been slim pickings when raiding lately. more people are on top of collecting nowadays..

yes, that was Stanley Goodspeed handling some VX Nerve gas... i thought it was a great movie (due to its comedic value and it's Nic Cage who has become a good punch line).

Zenobia
03-20-2013, 01:25 PM
The cap is definitely 12 now (the OP said 10 or 12 so I just wanted to put that out there).

Has it been confirmed that the "Player too Weak" window is now only 4 hours with this change? If so, does it make a BD run easier? While making a run, you can only be taken for 118.8k at a time instead of 198k. But you can be hit for that 6 times a day not 4. That means over a 24-hour period it means you can now be taken for a maximum of 712.8k instead of 792k. So it does help BD runs.

It helps them even more if you estimate someone making a realistic run only gets hit maybe twice a day. Then they lose 237.6k vs. 378k. Though when I hit someone over-vault, I typically don't have my full 20 stamina - I typically have been raiding buildings and hit someone like 14 times or something.

Anyway, if that is the purpose of the change, I must admit I am confused why they feel the need to handicap BD runs at this stage. Yes, people may be raiding more frequently than before, but someone needing a BD10 with max lumbermill and guild bonuses now only needs 1,323k. I needed 1,900k for mine with max lumbermill! It seems to me that is handicap enough.

And in gearing up for the upcoming first guild war, a LOT of member of my guild made successful BD9&10 runs, while the max was still 20 hits. So it really seems to me like the handicap is not necessary at all.

But, it is what it is. I am content with getting 119k per over-vault player I find. That's still 9 dragons for me for a minute's work. :)

Berneburg
03-20-2013, 01:59 PM
This change is just about the fairest thing happening in this game recently eventhough its really unpopular to mention it since the main part of the gemdoped numbercruncherbullies resides here.

So what if you cant shave off 198'000 gold off one unlucky player in one go?... there is nothing stopping you from swapping target and harass somebody else with the remaining 10stamina.

How long do you think it takes an average non-gem player to regenerate the 100k youve stolen?...
Lets see.. at 10k iph~ abouth 10 hours.. and since you can come back to harass after 4hours? ..go figure

Gree needs to keep the game interesting to others than the hack/cheaters and the gempumpers.
And if you get a 100k kick to the sack/setback you do get a 4hour window when they just cant touch you.. and in some cases that is the motivation needed to keep the game interesting. (yes gree and other companies actually needs customers to carry on)


@Berneburg: you can still be an unwanted parasite bully feeding on others.. the change only prevents you from being a double lazy laidback unwanted parasite bully..
And there is still 1million other ways to be an *("rhymes with brass-pole") in this game and on the internet.. just take your pick.

Dude, who pissed in your Wheaties?!

You have just as much ability to attack and raid as I do, not my problem if you choose to play a war game "fairly". I am not, have never been, and never will be, a gem user. I regulary get my ass handed to me left and right trying for BD10 from players with A/D 3x mine. I simply move. I don't cry or blast other players.

Pillaging and plundering are part of the GAME; if you can't handle it, stop playing.

And if this Forum is so overrun with the "gemdoped numbercruncherbullies" that you seem to dispise so much, why are you even here is the first place?

Ruston
03-21-2013, 01:53 AM
Ofcourse it is a battle/wargame but the main theme of the endgame will kill the game itself if the only way you can play successfully is to "roll back time and start playing 1 year ago".

Experience and time spent should really matter for the quality of your gameplay but the recipiants of the raidings should have a reasonable upper limit on how hard you can smash them into the ground.

BD10 was hard before the guildscenario( wich it should) but i can only imagine how chanceless you are at lvl 100+ to save for anything more costly than 330000 when youre not only bullied/scouted by single players but also entire guilds.

I understand youre new at this bullying thing but if youre out to earn some weaker dudes lunchmoney you will not be successful if you break the dudes arms and legs while taking it.. because he/she wont show up for school for weeks if you play that tactic.

I have my BD10 so its not really on my behalf im speaking, but seeing the younger stock of the guild join/quit/disappear because of the so called "nature of the game" kindof grinds my gears..

Rastlin
03-21-2013, 03:05 AM
This change is just not cool at all. I specifically raised my stamina to 20 to allow me take take 198k when I found that rare rube that was so far overvault. If I had known this was the ultimate status I would have allocated skill points differently.
Ditto.... Same here...

Totalwar
03-21-2013, 04:45 AM
Ditto.... Same here...

Pophai
03-25-2013, 02:34 AM
Found a guy with 700.000 (now only 600K). I hate this new change, but I can wait.... 2 hours already passed....

l3lade2
03-25-2013, 04:43 AM
Presumably GREE's lame ass attempt to address some of the balance complaints recently...why bother taking the time to actually make any meaningful changes...I know instead lets just make it easier to have every player on BD10's and that ought to fix the problem :confused:

Kiss Of Death
03-25-2013, 05:23 AM
Ofcourse it is a battle/wargame but the main theme of the endgame will kill the game itself if the only way you can play successfully is to "roll back time and start playing 1 year ago".

Experience and time spent should really matter for the quality of your gameplay but the recipiants of the raidings should have a reasonable upper limit on how hard you can smash them into the ground.

BD10 was hard before the guildscenario( wich it should) but i can only imagine how chanceless you are at lvl 100+ to save for anything more costly than 330000 when youre not only bullied/scouted by single players but also entire guilds.

I understand youre new at this bullying thing but if youre out to earn some weaker dudes lunchmoney you will not be successful if you break the dudes arms and legs while taking it.. because he/she wont show up for school for weeks if you play that tactic.

I have my BD10 so its not really on my behalf im speaking, but seeing the younger stock of the guild join/quit/disappear because of the so called "nature of the game" kind of grinds my gears..

Look I disagree, in MW it was very much the same thing and now the vault can be upgraded further making the risk of the unvaluted amount much lower. I have no doubt that this will roll across to the KA world too in time.

Even if not there is the age old adage of building every building up and selling them all at the last minute to make up the shortfall. Or mining players yourself that are less powerful than you to gain the funds. Guilds give a great chance to earn some bonuses and find ways to pool your funds with other players to get bonuses to build cheaper and faster buildings.

I think so many people as usual are quick to complain instead of review new strategies in how to achieve your goal. I guess thatís why there are always people in companies who complain about change and resent it and then there are those who say we can't stop the change and instead how can we change what we do to take advantage or survive the changes. You decide which kind of person you are, but in my experience in management most plebs whine and complain and wait for others to give them a solution and then still complain about it anyway... plebs can stay on the processing lines where they belong. :)

Kiss Of Death
03-25-2013, 05:27 AM
Dude, who pissed in your Wheaties?!

You have just as much ability to attack and raid as I do, not my problem if you choose to play a war game "fairly". I am not, have never been, and never will be, a gem user. I regulary get my ass handed to me left and right trying for BD10 from players with A/D 3x mine. I simply move. I don't cry or blast other players.

Pillaging and plundering are part of the GAME; if you can't handle it, stop playing.

And if this Forum is so overrun with the "gemdoped numbercruncherbullies" that you seem to dispise so much, why are you even here is the first place?

Love your answer you get my vote ;) and I'm a gem pumping number cruching bully... with a cute bum so at least when I am an "rhymes with brass-pole" to someone it takes some of the sting out.

X

Ruston
03-25-2013, 05:42 AM
Well in the current environment the only way to build anything more expensive that 330'000 is to either quickly sell every building you have and set yourself back months in constructiontimes.. or win gold on the lotteryscratcher or buy a mountain of gold x2.

And all of this because the current rules are set by those who either started cookiecutter-gameplay a year ago or by those who either with real money or stolen money purchased themselves temporary happiness in an appgame.
(oh yeah, ive seen 1'000'000/1'000'000 players with 500+ stacks of beasts who cost 200-400gems each.. who the f does that with real honestly earned money?)

same rules should apply to everyone the veteran players says, and i agree..

-IT SHOULD BE THE SAME SET OF RULES!.. AS WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR KINGDOMS THEY COULD GO ON FOR DAYS OVERVAULTED WITHOUT ANYBODY SPOTTING/ANNIHILATING THEM.. this cannot be done today.. you cant be overvaulted long enough to tie your own shoelaces.
and if you are spotted by one, your name will end up on a guildchat.. meaning they will farm you like a swarm of mandarin hornets until youre completely dry.

So yeah.. keep whining that you cannot overfarm the newcomers or the easyplayers as much as before.. i bet you havent seen the last nerf yet.. not by a longshot.

l3lade2
03-25-2013, 10:07 AM
Well in the current environment the only way to build anything more expensive that 330'000 is to either quickly sell every building you have and set yourself back months in constructiontimes.. or win gold on the lotteryscratcher or buy a mountain of gold x2.

And all of this because the current rules are set by those who either started cookiecutter-gameplay a year ago or by those who either with real money or stolen money purchased themselves temporary happiness in an appgame.
(oh yeah, ive seen 1'000'000/1'000'000 players with 500+ stacks of beasts who cost 200-400gems each.. who the f does that with real honestly earned money?)

same rules should apply to everyone the veteran players says, and i agree..

-IT SHOULD BE THE SAME SET OF RULES!.. AS WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR KINGDOMS THEY COULD GO ON FOR DAYS OVERVAULTED WITHOUT ANYBODY SPOTTING/ANNIHILATING THEM.. this cannot be done today.. you cant be overvaulted long enough to tie your own shoelaces.
and if you are spotted by one, your name will end up on a guildchat.. meaning they will farm you like a swarm of mandarin hornets until youre completely dry.

So yeah.. keep whining that you cannot overfarm the newcomers or the easyplayers as much as before.. i bet you havent seen the last nerf yet.. not by a longshot.

I've probably purchased/spent in the region of 400 gems ever in KA, and even I don't even know where to start with how ridiculous this post is...

As an FYI - I completed BD 9 and BD10 upgrades in the space of 48 hours about 2 weeks ago...albeit sold 2 buildings to help get BD10 done (nothing important a Cannon Tower and Gnomish Lab).

Battle Mage
03-25-2013, 10:09 AM
What Berneburg said +1


-IT SHOULD BE THE SAME SET OF RULES!.. AS WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR KINGDOMS THEY COULD GO ON FOR DAYS OVERVAULTED WITHOUT ANYBODY SPOTTING/ANNIHILATING THEM.. this cannot be done today..

Where on earth do you get that naive idea that you're so hard done by now!?
Yes, there were fewer players a year ago, so things might have been a little bit easier but seriously...read back through some of the threads older than when you started playing the game.
Read about the trials, the frustration at being a l m o s t there when that #%^* guy hit them, so set them back 3 days.
Again.
Just don't cry me a river now. Not interested.

And it's entirely possible to be over vault at the moment.
Just be stronger than the vast majority of your rivals.
Don't hang about though.
That might be taking the michael a bit too much and there's ALWAYS someone stronger around that you haven't seen yet, or coming through the levels behind you.
To be stronger, either camp/crawl and make sure your strength goes up faster than your level or burn a bit of hard-earned (yeah yeah, i'll wash my mouth out later) to enable you to either straight out buy gem units or get far enough in LTQE's to pick up some really good reward units. And we all know there's been enough of those events lately...
Any permutation of the above will also do the job.

As for your '..purchased temporary happiness in an appgame' jibe, considering the time over which this game is played, I'd say its fairly long-lasting happiness!
And really, why not? They spend a bit of money on a hobby. Most people do.
If you don't want to do that, improve your strategy so you can achieve your aims, whatever they may be.
But be realistic about it.

RandomUser
03-25-2013, 10:41 AM
If we're going to make the rules the same as when I made it to BD10, then you better give up your guild building discounts. That's 400k less gold you have to save than I did.

Look, the game has changed drastically in the past month. In reality, a dragon army isn't at all what it's cracked up to be anymore. The new LTQs that are coming out every few days (and sometimes several at a time!) mean that you can get stats way better than dragons without even having a BD1. So my months of planning, building, waiting, timing, diplomacy, execution, sleep deprivation, and endless buying of dragons is significantly less important now and will be utterly inconsequential in a few months.

Personally, I was happier the way it was, too, but whining about it never changes what the penny counters decide to do to the game design. If there's a way to make more money by changing the game, they'll change it.

Shinazueli
03-25-2013, 01:24 PM
Personally, I was happier the way it was, too, but whining about it never changes what the penny counters decide to do to the game design. If there's a way to make more money by changing the game, they'll change it.

This. +100.

Fedup
03-25-2013, 02:35 PM
Hi,

been reading the above posts, have to say I consider myself reasonably strong 150k a/d considering am a free player in KA but have to agree on some counts here,

I cant get my manors past level 2
I cant get my lenders past level 5
I cant get my magic boost building past level 8
I cant get my machine boost past level 8
I cant get my beast boost past level 8
I cant get my breeding den past level 8

think you get the idea, I know this because i have made countless runs employed lots of various tactics but if i go over vault even by $1 i get attacked relentlessly by big spender players and all their mates in the guilds, I get raided constantly even if my buildings only paid out a few minutes ago and am an hourly player lol

I am level 100+ and been trying to upgrade these buildings for months and just cant do it so am left sitting upgrading my slow as heck low level buildings for lack of anything better to do and add to the guild donations I guess I can kiss all that goodbye as well unless they raise the vault.

I don't post on peoples walls or leave vile messages i shrug my shoulders and do another LTQ and try again some other time.
but am coming close to giving up when I cant develop my kingdom any further.

GreenGuru
03-25-2013, 02:46 PM
Hi,

been reading the above posts, have to say I consider myself reasonably strong 150k a/d considering am a free player in KA but have to agree on some counts here,

I cant get my manors past level 2
I cant get my lenders past level 5
I cant get my magic boost building past level 8
I cant get my machine boost past level 8
I cant get my beast boost past level 8
I cant get my breeding den past level 8

think you get the idea, I know this because i have made countless runs employed lots of various tactics but if i go over vault even by $1 i get attacked relentlessly by big spender players and all their mates in the guilds, I get raided constantly even if my buildings only paid out a few minutes ago and am an hourly player lol

I am level 100+ and been trying to upgrade these buildings for months and just cant do it so am left sitting upgrading my slow as heck low level buildings for lack of anything better to do and add to the guild donations I guess I can kiss all that goodbye as well unless they raise the vault.

I don't post on peoples walls or leave vile messages i shrug my shoulders and do another LTQ and try again some other time.
but am coming close to giving up when I cant develop my kingdom any further.

You didn't state your exact level but I'm assuming it's a little ways past 100 since you said 100+ and 150k A/D isn't very strong at all in that area known as the "whale zone"

Q-Ball
03-25-2013, 03:04 PM
Hi,

been reading the above posts, have to say I consider myself reasonably strong 150k a/d considering am a free player in KA but have to agree on some counts here,

I cant get my manors past level 2
I cant get my lenders past level 5
I cant get my magic boost building past level 8
I cant get my machine boost past level 8
I cant get my beast boost past level 8
I cant get my breeding den past level 8

think you get the idea, I know this because i have made countless runs employed lots of various tactics but if i go over vault even by $1 i get attacked relentlessly by big spender players and all their mates in the guilds, I get raided constantly even if my buildings only paid out a few minutes ago and am an hourly player lol

I am level 100+ and been trying to upgrade these buildings for months and just cant do it so am left sitting upgrading my slow as heck low level buildings for lack of anything better to do and add to the guild donations I guess I can kiss all that goodbye as well unless they raise the vault.

I don't post on peoples walls or leave vile messages i shrug my shoulders and do another LTQ and try again some other time.
but am coming close to giving up when I cant develop my kingdom any further.

Well that's two separate statements. You may be reasonably strong for a free player but you are not reasonably strong player for your level. Unfortunately for you, there isn't only free players playing the game. trust me, it's not all big spenders that are hitting you. i'm no big spender but i've added over 200k to my Attack and Defense since I got my BD10.

Having your manors and lenders past level 2 and 5 with your stats just makes you a target for others. boost your higher frequency income buildings, raid and PvP like a mad man, build your army with Hydras till you're the big duck in your pond then make your run on all your level 8 buildings. Rethink your strategy. it's not impossible, it's just harder now. I hear too many people complaining about how the game is now instead of spending time reworking their strategy.

Winstrol
03-25-2013, 03:08 PM
Lower your allies to 200~ , and no one will attack you .

Fedup
03-25-2013, 03:12 PM
I wasn't complaining lol

simply stating facts and am only level 111 and like i said been trying for months already to get past those upgrades
I been doing LTQ's so have leveled up due to those as i decided stronger stat units were better than dragons anyways
and i have a healthy army of hydra's, HP's etc as my unit buildings all been maxed for ages

Fedup
03-25-2013, 03:13 PM
Lower your allies to 200~ , and no one will attack you .

I would winstrol but guild rules dictate max allies unfortunately i was down there for a long time actually

forgot to add main reason I started upping my allies was because i was being hit by folks with all 500+ allies as the rival list somehow changed so it seemed to be a disadvantage to sit at low level ally count when all the higher up ones could see me and hit me anyways.

Shinazueli
03-25-2013, 05:53 PM
Yeah man, the hard truth is that if you are past level 100 and are free, and don't already have bd10, you aren't getting it. Not for free. Sucks, but that's how the game is now.

Btw you really should be able to get manor level 3 though, with synced collections and low hit boss monsters on the later maps, that's an easy 400k in about 5 minutes if you time it right. Other than that, break open the wallet.