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emcee
04-01-2013, 04:47 PM
Would like to get leaders/officers of the major guilds to collaborate regarding what seems like numerous guilds using cash/gold cheaters etc... We will all come across them and think it might be good if we share this info and collaborate for reporting to support for bans...

Thoughts please...

Sgt Maj
04-01-2013, 05:26 PM
Why do you think people are cheating and not just dumping in lots of cash into the game?

deuce
04-01-2013, 05:33 PM
Have a record of someone donating 16 BILLION gold to a guild with 3000 IPH. What would you call that?

The Big Weezy
04-01-2013, 05:48 PM
We've been keen to ferret out hacker guilds for weeks now, Emcee. :) Happy to provide any data we can on guilds we've faced in the Top 50 these past three days.

Dirt road Joe
04-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Would like to get leaders/officers of the major guilds to collaborate regarding what seems like numerous guilds using cash/gold cheaters etc... We will all come across them and think it might be good if we share this info and collaborate for reporting to support for bans...

Thoughts please...
My guild has rejected many applicants who had IPH of like 2000 But had millions in their vaults. I try to keep people who i even suspect of cheating out of our guild. I never get around to reporting them, but i soon will because of the frequency seemingly increasing.

Shinazueli
04-01-2013, 05:55 PM
You don't actually have to be a cheater to have low IPH/ high stats. You just need to be rich. But as far as the hacking goes, you need to dig deeper into their profile before you can outright accuse them. A shallow look isn't good enough, unless it's downright blatant, like 3 bazaars... (Man I hope that ****er gets permanent-banned.)

Dirt road Joe
04-01-2013, 05:59 PM
You don't actually have to be a cheater to have low IPH/ high stats. You just need to be rich. But as far as the hacking goes, you need to dig deeper into their profile before you can outright accuse them. A shallow look isn't good enough, unless it's downright blatant, like 3 bazaars... (Man I hope that ****er gets permanent-banned.)
Players i have ran aacross have low IPH and Low Stats. Most of them have been in the level 20-30 Range with often 20,000,000+ in there vaults. There is nothing in the game that requires this much to save up for, except manors. If you saving for manors then your income per hour would be well above 2000 already.

emcee
04-01-2013, 06:54 PM
We've been keen to ferret out hacker guilds for weeks now, Emcee. :) Happy to provide any data we can on guilds we've faced in the Top 50 these past three days.

I'll pm you on one that effects your guild and ours.

jonny0284
04-01-2013, 07:01 PM
A shallow look isn't good enough, unless it's downright blatant, like 3 bazaars... (Man I hope that ****er gets permanent-banned.)

I second that.

deuce
04-01-2013, 07:05 PM
Is this really possible?

jonny0284
04-01-2013, 07:26 PM
Not even remotely.

deuce
04-01-2013, 07:27 PM
We met them in battle a couple hours ago. Wasn't pretty (for us).

jonny0284
04-01-2013, 07:29 PM
I'd save those screen shots. And plenty more.

emcee
04-01-2013, 07:48 PM
I've checked our battle intel and its a top 10 team.....

GreenGuru
04-01-2013, 08:05 PM
Is this really possible?


We met them in battle a couple hours ago. Wasn't pretty (for us).

I don't mean to excuse a hacker if this is real, but I have to ask out of common sense... If you're in a guild that was facing the guild that has this person in it... How is it that you have access to viewing their donation log? :confused:
If it came from someone in their guild I'd understand but still I don't think anyone affiliating themselves with a hacker guild would intentionally leak this intel to you.

emcee
04-01-2013, 08:08 PM
I don't mean to excuse a hacker if this is real, but I have to ask out of common sense... If you're in a guild that was facing the guild that has this person in it... How is it that you have access to viewing their donation log? :confused:
If it came from someone in their guild I'd understand but still I don't think anyone affiliating themselves with a hacker guild would intentionally leak this intel to you.

I thought the same. Perhaps someone on the team left recently (as the levels are now higher than in photo). Also, the group has 60 spots unlocked which not even FUN has. Gree will investigate if there is any merit to this.

Free Ronin
04-01-2013, 08:15 PM
I ran into a player yesterday during a battle, heres the stats i remember;

Level 200
Def 2301 , yes, thats correct
allies 54
cash dropped all 12 times i hit him, 9900 every time and every member of my crew.

So, hacker?

And I just thought of this while I was typing, is it cheating when you raid a cheater. Am I a cheater by proxy?

GreenGuru
04-01-2013, 08:34 PM
I ran into a player yesterday during a battle, heres the stats i remember;

Level 200
Def 2301 , yes, thats correct
allies 54
cash dropped all 12 times i hit him, 9900 every time and every member of my crew.

So, hacker?

And I just thought of this while I was typing, is it cheating when you raid a cheater. Am I a cheater by proxy?

He could just be purely Kingdom development and PvE player with over vaulted gold. Though what he's doing in the Conquest I have no idea, especially with over vaulted gold.

Mr Painite
04-01-2013, 09:19 PM
We do not know for sure that he/she is a hacker; maybe they purchased 50k mountains of gold.

Sgt Maj
04-01-2013, 10:06 PM
Was he reported?

GreenGuru
04-01-2013, 10:14 PM
We do not know for sure that he/she is a hacker; maybe they purchased 50k mountains of gold.

I hope you're being sarcastic, look at the numbers. I believe from what we know, the highest attainable IPH is somewhere around 72k and a mountain of gold is 120 times your IPH I believe. That gives you 8,640,000 gold per mountain and to obtain 16 billion gold from that would cost you 1,851.85 mountains or $185,185.19 real cash. If this person has only 3,000 IPH, it would cost him 44,444.44 mountains or $4,444,444.44. I don't think there's a single person on any of the GREE games who would spend that much on crappy graphics games and then on top of that just donate it all to the guild's vault. Scratch that, I KNOW there's no one who would.

Shazam
04-01-2013, 10:29 PM
Any one actually reported this to GREE? Other guilds got locked down purely on suspicion of minor hacking.

sparckle
04-01-2013, 10:42 PM
You don't actually have to be a cheater to have low IPH/ high stats. You just need to be rich. But as far as the hacking goes, you need to dig deeper into their profile before you can outright accuse them. A shallow look isn't good enough, unless it's downright blatant, like 3 bazaars... (Man I hope that ****er gets permanent-banned.)

Haters gonna hate.

Unfortunately Gree support seems to be permanently stuck in peak hour and hasn't serviced my Beast Kennel ticket yet. But I know you're dying to find out. So sit tight and do something fun while you await the good news!

The Big Weezy
04-01-2013, 10:47 PM
We sent several tickets to Gree about Dragon Lords and seven other suspected Hacker Guilds/Leaders last week.

deuce
04-02-2013, 04:16 AM
I thought the same. Perhaps someone on the team left recently (as the levels are now higher than in photo). Also, the group has 60 spots unlocked which not even FUN has. Gree will investigate if there is any merit to this.
You nailed it.

Mr T Perfect
04-02-2013, 04:26 AM
And I just thought of this while I was typing, is it cheating when you raid a cheater. Am I a cheater by proxy?

This entreagues me. Would gree ban an entire guild or just the player - also if other guilds that they came across cained them for millions - would have be cheating by proxy.

We had a similar situation last night.

we came across a level 200 player with 4 allies... yes 4! 2K defence and overvaulted by millions.

but the rest of the guild were not tough. no-one shone except the DL. average players.

my thought is that it was a hacked farming account for another l200 player to farm to their hearts content into the kosha account?

Mr T Perfect
04-02-2013, 04:27 AM
oh and morning deuce.

Shazam
04-02-2013, 06:34 AM
I know at least one player was banned totally for farming a hacker. The whole guild would probably be closed down for harbouring this hacker knowingly IF GREE do any thing about it!

l3lade2
04-02-2013, 09:18 AM
The only "issue" here is the over vault by millions? Could have been a scratch ticket...

Until recently I was level ~100 with just 12 allies...albeit unusual to be 200 and 4, it's perfectly conceivable

Besides why put a "hacked farmer" account into the guild, I can't see any incentive to do so, all it's going to do is give off lots of points, and obviously draw a lot of attention when everyone finds a level 200 that everyone can hit?

LouDawgg
04-02-2013, 10:40 AM
The only "issue" here is the over vault by millions? Could have been a scratch ticket...

Until recently I was level ~100 with just 12 allies...albeit unusual to be 200 and 4, it's perfectly conceivable

Besides why put a "hacked farmer" account into the guild, I can't see any incentive to do so, all it's going to do is give off lots of points, and obviously draw a lot of attention when everyone finds a level 200 that everyone can hit?

There are obvious "could be" scenarios, but you hit it on the head with "albeit unusual". People are spending lots of real life money on this game and especially this event, therefore they deserve the assurance that they are not being cheated out of that real life money on account of unchecked hackers... It's only fair that the legitimate inquiries be investigated.

As far as having a "hacked farmer" in a guild:
1. I would say that the "advantages" are quite evident and well understood amongst the community.
2. Just because a person is a hacker, doesn't mean that they are smart... There have been plenty of examples of the intellectual short commings displayed by hackers in MW. KA won't be much different.

Just my 2 cents.

Here's to a clean and fair reward distribution.

The_Legend_Shall_Live_On
04-02-2013, 11:58 AM
Although I agree with the basis of this thread, comment while you can because CJ will probably lock it. Not supposed to discuss this on the forum... :(

Rinkled4
04-02-2013, 12:15 PM
There are obvious "could be" scenarios, but you hit it on the head with "albeit unusual". People are spending lots of real life money on this game and especially this event, therefore they deserve the assurance that they are not being cheated out of that real life money on account of unchecked hackers... It's only fair that the legitimate inquiries be investigated.

As far as having a "hacked farmer" in a guild:
1. I would say that the "advantages" are quite evident and well understood amongst the community.
2. Just because a person is a hacker, doesn't mean that they are smart... There have been plenty of examples of the intellectual short commings displayed by hackers in MW. KA won't be much different.

Just my 2 cents.

Here's to a clean and fair reward distribution.

You know what you get with this game. If you do business with this company then you should be willing to accept them for what they are. The buyer is responsible for who they do business with. Gree has no obligation to ban anyone. If you spend cash, then you get what you pay for.

l3lade2
04-02-2013, 09:22 PM
Although I agree with the basis of this thread, comment while you can because CJ will probably lock it. Not supposed to discuss this on the forum... :(

Yep, and Gree are "supposed" to take action against reported hackers...yet Dragon Lords still sit in the Top 10 of the guild wars at present, keeping another guild in 11th place out of the Top 10 who have almost certainly spent upwards of $1,000 to get there...whilst I appreciate that this type of thread should never have been started by whoever did, it would be somewhat ironic if Gree find the time to lock this thread but still not take any action against the guild in question :rolleyes:

Jixx
04-02-2013, 10:14 PM
Yep, and Gree are "supposed" to take action against reported hackers...yet Dragon Lords still sit in the Top 10 of the guild wars at present, keeping another guild in 11th place out of the Top 10 who have almost certainly spent upwards of $1,000 to get there...whilst I appreciate that this type of thread should never have been started by whoever did, it would be somewhat ironic if Gree find the time to lock this thread but still not take any action against the guild in question :rolleyes:

we are currently fighting them, and i suppose their Guildleader has changed name because the 16B name isnt there anymore.

The Big Weezy
04-02-2013, 11:22 PM
Very disappointed to still see and fight with a suspected hacker guild in the top 10. It is despicable. To think that one unlucky team will get pushed into #11 because of these clowns makes my blood boil white hot. Gree has received over 100 emails - from MoC members alone - about this one guild, and nothing. In MW the hacker guilds are banned within hours of being reported, most especially during faction war weekends.

dudeman
04-03-2013, 01:12 AM
I don't mean to excuse a hacker if this is real, but I have to ask out of common sense... If you're in a guild that was facing the guild that has this person in it... How is it that you have access to viewing their donation log? :confused:
If it came from someone in their guild I'd understand but still I don't think anyone affiliating themselves with a hacker guild would intentionally leak this intel to you.

That common sense question gets my version of a common sense answer:

1. Player joins a guild before all bonuses are unlocked.
2. Player becomes suspicious when all bonuses are unlocked after only a couple weeks, but cannot prove anything and is unwilling to accuse their teammates by asking how the bonuses were afforded.
3. Game update with "Donation Log" gives Player ability to view donation total for everyone in the guild.
4. Player obtains proof (screenshots), leaves guild.
5. Player joins new, non-cheating guild, shares knowledge of cheating guild.

emcee
04-03-2013, 01:20 AM
That common sense question gets my version of a common sense answer:

1. Player joins a guild before all bonuses are unlocked.
2. Player becomes suspicious when all bonuses are unlocked after only a couple weeks, but cannot prove anything and is unwilling to accuse their teammates by asking how the bonuses were afforded.
3. Game update with "Donation Log" gives Player ability to view donation total for everyone in the guild.
4. Player obtains proof (screenshots), leaves guild.
5. Player joins new, non-cheating guild, shares knowledge of cheating guild.

Sherlock Holmes would not have said it better....

Jixx
04-03-2013, 03:31 AM
There's still hackers in the top 10.

damn you Gree.

deuce
04-03-2013, 03:49 AM
Filed a report and gave them all the screen captured evidence I was given.

Sir Marcus
04-03-2013, 04:34 AM
I'll tell you one thing - and yes, GREE official board lurkers, I'm looking at you - if this guild, who we can prove mathematically is cheating, is allowed to stay in the top 10 - you're going to lose customers. Entire guilds might up and quit, or large chunks of them, because the real world $$ they've spent did not earn them the place they fought for.

We've done the legwork and published screenshots of totally impossible situations. Your stated cheating policy is no tolerance. In this case, the cheaters themselves aren't the only ones who prosper from their cheating. Their whole guild benefits, and entire guilds of players suffer for it. If they're gold hackers, what the makes us think that they're not also gem hackers?

Get rid of the cheating guilds, and the guilds of players who legitimately paid for their gems to pay for their guild rankings move up and earn the rewards their work and their money have earned them.

If you don't get rid of cheating guilds, players who paid a lot and got nothing to show for it - and watched cheating guilds win out at our expense - are likely to rage quit and never come back. Which means next war, they won't be spending money because they are gone.

And I'll probably be one of them. I've spent hundreds of dollars, only to watch this specific hacker guild come out of nowhere pass mine last night. (*#&$ that noise.

It's all a dream
04-03-2013, 05:29 AM
Question: is it possible to lose 6 times from someone with 175k def, while the attacker has 330k?
or for that matter to lose many times against a few players with stats 100 lower than attacker?

Jixx
04-03-2013, 05:30 AM
Question: is it possibel to lose 6 times from someone with 175k def, while the attacker has 330k?

out of 600 times maybe. But very unlikely.

It's all a dream
04-03-2013, 05:31 AM
I thougt so to.

Emcee ill pm you.

Jixx
04-03-2013, 05:41 AM
in the last 10 minutes, the Dragon Lords took our position and created a lead of more than 100k points.

ban the hackers and delete the guild already Gree, you have more than enough evidence.

l3lade2
04-03-2013, 05:47 AM
Unfortunately with 60 members in a guild 100k CP really isn't that difficult to attain in every battle, how many have we had where we've finished below 50k, with the exception of Vs FUN/RK/BGK of course!

Edit: Sorry I meant to say "with 60 well earned, hard work, deserved" members in a guild...

Jixx
04-03-2013, 05:48 AM
Unfortunately with 60 members in a guild 100k CP really isn't that difficult to attain in every battle, how many have we had where we've finished below 50k, with the exception of Vs FUN/RK/BGK of course!

Edit: Sorry I meant to say "with 60 well earned, hard work, deserved members in a guild...

only guilds like we're facing now, very low levels.

or at the night shift, we beat FK once with 14k points, 4 of ours and even less of their people on i suppose.

Sir Marcus
04-03-2013, 07:03 AM
You know what you get with this game. If you do business with this company then you should be willing to accept them for what they are. The buyer is responsible for who they do business with. Gree has no obligation to ban anyone. If you spend cash, then you get what you pay for.

The buyer is responsible for choosing who to do business with, but the seller also has a responsibility to provide the service advertised. They have to provide the buyer with what they are paying for.

If GREE refuses to enforce their own policies, then they are not providing the service we're paying for. Some terms for that fall someplace between "false advertising" and "fraud".

l3lade2
04-03-2013, 07:27 AM
The buyer is responsible for choosing who to do business with, but the seller also has a responsibility to provide the service advertised. They have to provide the buyer with what they are paying for.

If GREE refuses to enforce their own policies, then they are not providing the service we're paying for. Some terms for that fall someplace between "false advertising" and "fraud".

Another term used a few months later down the line is also "that online game that people used to play"

Shinazueli
04-03-2013, 08:59 AM
Another term used a few months later down the line is also "that online game that people used to play"

I just spat out my coffee. Good one. A silent ban isn't going to be good enough for these guys, Gree. I know you guys just got back from your four day Easter weekend that you ruined for all of us, but this needs to be taken care of. They need to be publicly hanged, and then permanently removed from the Internet. Forever.

dudeman
04-03-2013, 12:40 PM
in the last 10 minutes, the Dragon Lords took our position and created a lead of more than 100k points.

ban the hackers and delete the guild already Gree, you have more than enough evidence.

That guild had points before the event even started. They probably hacked them.

jiggaman
04-03-2013, 03:58 PM
I'm in the Dragon Lords guild being mentioned in this topic. I have noticed nothing fishy at all in the battle. Our highest member got like

1Million,
700K,
500K
and then a bunch of 300K and unders.

I personally bought a mountain of gems and put 100K+ points on the board. And we did not finish in the top 10. We probably got 11th. No "hacker" of our group came to the rescue in the 11th hour. Everyone in our guild put up points across the board.

Sad you guys are accusing us of cheating. We're just a bunch of dedicated players with high stats with some members who like to drop $1000 on a battle. I dropped $59.99 + sales tax on this battle but I know there are many out there who drop 10X what I do.

The Big Weezy
04-03-2013, 04:05 PM
Tell me, jiggaman, how did your D.L unlock those guild member expansions so quickly? Did you ever wonder? Please look at the screenshot in this thread and show it to your leader.

I do not doubt that there are many honest people in your guild, and for that I am sorry. It is not toward such persons that I would direct my wrath.

Aclark
04-03-2013, 06:45 PM
Wow. No way they are bring in that much since nov. 20 when guilds started even if you had 2 of every building available including ones you buy with gems and all were leveled to 10. Gree systems should be able to detect these irregularities simalur to the sencership program that removes cursing for the boards. I assume that screen shot was sent to the home office.

Proprioc3ption
04-03-2013, 08:29 PM
I'm in the Dragon Lords guild being mentioned in this topic. I have noticed nothing fishy at all in the battle. Our highest member got like

1Million,
700K,
500K
and then a bunch of 300K and unders.

I personally bought a mountain of gems and put 100K+ points on the board. And we did not finish in the top 10. We probably got 11th. No "hacker" of our group came to the rescue in the 11th hour. Everyone in our guild put up points across the board.

Sad you guys are accusing us of cheating. We're just a bunch of dedicated players with high stats with some members who like to drop $1000 on a battle. I dropped $59.99 + sales tax on this battle but I know there are many out there who drop 10X what I do.

Mate, if you'd like to compare your guilds donations with that of the top 2 guilds FUN & RK to prove it...then be my guest.
There is NO other guild in KA that could muster the same cash flow for donations other than FUN and RK...period, and they are not at 60/60 yet. Talk is cheep... It's not that all the individual players are to blame in your guild, it can simply come down to 1 person... Before you guys all arrived there.

Unfortunately these individuals ruin it for everyone... Including those honest players in the guild.
If I were a payer in KA, and I was apart of a guild of 60 members already... I'd leave ASAP and report it to GREE.
Because there is no way that the money could have been accumulated over that time.
Cover your own butt and leave, cause GREE will wipe the entire guild from existence...and so they should.

Nxy
04-03-2013, 08:44 PM
Propr1oc3pt1on is right theres no way with how long guilds have been around that you could get that much money. Safe bet is just leave the guild. There not as uncommon as you think I've personally been in two and led to there ban by immediatly leaving and reporting them. But I witnessed first hand in the matter of seconds 62 billion be donated by one player. All buffs purchased but a few of them. But I wasnt about to risk my hard work for some guild over some buffs. Stay in there if you want to but I'll still continue to email gree about that guild till i see justice served. Nothing is free in life

King Henry 22
04-03-2013, 09:23 PM
I think it's funny that people are calling out a team that finished 11th when FUN beat the second place team by almost twice what the 11th place team had in total. My guild finished in the top 75 and we had more than a few members (including myself) that spent well over $100 real money and playing all hours of the night. I read all these threads and I understand that saying anything about the "big dogs" of the game will get everyone in an uproar but I would love to know how a team can score over 30,000,000 points when the high average was maybe 3,000,000. I'm not saying they cheated or hacked because I have no proof but I can tell you that I'm not alone in thinking something fishy is going on up top. Maybe everyone on that team spent $1000 to get a that top spot, but I find that very hard to believe. I'm sure you will just say I'm jealous and your exactly right if everyone on your team had $1000 to spend on one event im guilty.

MaverickMunkey
04-03-2013, 09:48 PM
.....Maybe everyone on that team spent $1000 to get a that top spot, but I find that very hard to believe. I'm sure you will just say I'm jealous and your exactly right if everyone on your team had $1000 to spend on one event im guilty.

Believe it - some people spent at least $2k- $5k just on this one guild war and they didn't finish in the top 3. If you have a very determined guild who purchase as a minimum 5 mountains of gems then it is perfectly acheivable to get these point totals.

Rastlin
04-03-2013, 09:56 PM
Maybe everyone on that team spent $1000 to get a that top spot, but I find that very hard to believe. I'm sure you will just say I'm jealous and your exactly right if everyone on your team had $1000 to spend on one event im guilty.
Yup they did and MUCH more, so you better call yourself jealous....

yaz
04-04-2013, 05:45 AM
I have read thru this entire thread, I estimate that for a team to get 30,000,000 points, the team would have had to purchase in the area of 500 mountain of gems to get the points they did. If 45 players each split the costs, that's over 10 mounds per player and $500-$800 each, thats the math, these are facts. Can 1 team really spend $25,000 for a game, yes they can, did they, i do not know and will not accuse anyone. Do people really have that much disposable cash for a game, I dont see Donald Trump or any Saudia Arabia Sheiks playing so is cheating more rampant than we think?

Aclark
04-04-2013, 05:54 AM
I have a question for the others. Did you have 1 member that did not help in battles but declared war several times as soon as you finished a battle? I did. Dreadknight has a second game with the name Octavous. It is very sad that people don't have faith in themselves or their team and feel they have to cheat to win. I just want to let everyone know so that you don't let him in your guild. You can change your name of course with gems now but you can't change your game ID if anyone wants the scammers ID send me a message I don't want to post on open forum. Very sad!

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 05:57 AM
I have read thru this entire thread, I estimate that for a team to get 30,000,000 points, the team would have had to purchase in the area of 500 mountain of gems to get the points they did. If 45 players each split the costs, that's over 10 mounds per player and $500-$800 each, thats the math, these are facts. Can 1 team really spend $25,000 for a game, yes they can, did they, i do not know and will not accuse anyone. Do people really have that much disposable cash for a game, I dont see Donald Trump or any Saudia Arabia Sheiks playing so is cheating more rampant than we think?

I still don't know how some people don't about how % discounts and the Gem Spender Appreciation Bonus.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist or even a rich rocket scientist to figure this out.

Normal $500 = 5 mountains. 7,500 Gems + 2,500 Bonus 10,000 total

40% sale $600 ($1000 normally) = 10 mountains. 15,000 Gems + 15,000 Bonus 30,000 total

40% sale $1,200 ($2000 normally) = 20 mountains. 30,000 Gems + 50,000 Bonus 80,000 total

People do not know how to grasp a DEAL when it's presented to them.

Stop. STOP. For the love of every last thing on this planet...stop.

With all the accusations already. If you can't afford Gems, don't cry about it. Get an extra part time (or full time) job and fund yourself or keep playing free and finish at the bottom.

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 06:01 AM
+100
Thank you jonny! The whining and accusatory posts are getting old.

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 06:16 AM
No one is accusing anyone one of anything we are just looking at a team that scored 30 million and trying to figure out how. The bonus program, percentages, and your break down are nice but your still looking at everyone in a guild spending what $500. Especially since you don't get those bonuses without large purchases. Even if everyone did spend $500 would you still continue to waste your gems with a 5 million point lead in the last day of the event? Seems like you would only waste gems if you didn't pay for them or could get more for free. Again this is just one person trying to figure out how a team crushed everyone in an event that in theory should have been somewhat fair.

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 06:25 AM
If you have ANY evidence please present it. otherwise please refrain from calling out FUN based on opinion and speculation. if you open your wallet and spend some you will understand how & why they got there. Apologies Emcee, this thread has moved off your original point.

yaz
04-04-2013, 06:31 AM
If you read my reply I did not accuse anyone, and when is discussion about something we dont understand a bad thing? I have been playing this game for over a year so I understand what it takes to be a top player. I am also an engineer with a methodical thought process and find it hard to believe an entire team would each spend $500 on a game.

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 06:32 AM
Last time I checked this whole forum is for people to express their opinions. If you do not like what we are saying then stop reading it. Are you on that guild? Did you spend your money for that guild? If not then you are offering your opinion just like I am.

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 06:33 AM
Last time I checked this whole forum is for people to express their opinions. If you do not like what we are saying then stop reading it. Are you on that guild? Did you spend your money for that guild? If not then you are offering your opinion just like I am.

I spent money on my Guild. :)

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 06:35 AM
No one is accusing anyone one of anything we are just looking at a team that scored 30 million and trying to figure out how. The bonus program, percentages, and your break down are nice but your still looking at everyone in a guild spending what $500. Especially since you don't get those bonuses without large purchases. Even if everyone did spend $500 would you still continue to waste your gems with a 5 million point lead in the last day of the event? Seems like you would only waste gems if you didn't pay for them or could get more for free. Again this is just one person trying to figure out how a team crushed everyone in an event that in theory should have been somewhat fair.

Did you know that Guilds are cumulative? If you're at the bottom, prepare to be there until you own up to Gem spending or can (insert laughter) find a Guild that will take a cheap player.

It's called a lead btw. And, you did call out FUN because only one team scored 30M CP. Good job. If you make a reference to an "imaginary team", ensure there is more than one team that could be the answer.

Your opinion is welcome. Press the 'Spend 20 Gems' button and reply to me.

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 06:42 AM
Read my first post of course I'm talking about FUN and I said that to begin with. I spent money too so I know the amount of points you can get out of a mountain of gems and its no where near those numbers. I didn't realize it was called a lead thank you for that explanation I must have missed that in school.

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 06:45 AM
No, i am not in FUN. I did however use around 8 mountains myself during the conquest. I had an individual point score in the top 400 with around half a million points. Therefore, from my personal experience i can say, 'your opions have been tested and found wanting' - Good day sir

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 06:47 AM
Read my first post of course I'm talking about FUN and I said that to begin with.

My bad, got your post confused with 'yaz'.


I spent money too so I know the amount of points you can get out of a mountain of gems and its no where near those numbers.

Then you didn't get paired up very well, did you? When a Guild came along with, say, a level 197 or level 200 player that had 200k def, did you unload all of your Gems? Because that's where points are made. If you don't think people spent thousands of Gems on that very situation, then you didn't think about it. ;) Now multiply that by a dozen or two or three players brutally, savagely attacking that player. See where those points came from? :)

I know that some players bought mountains in the middle of a single hour battle to hit that player. More. Did you write that down for next Guild war? lol There's your strategy. Share it.


I didn't realize it was called a lead thank you for that explanation I must have missed that in school.

You're welcome!

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 06:57 AM
So your saying 8 mountains ($480 with the 40% sale) equals 500,000 points? Well that is what everyone on that team would have needed to get to 30 million. Thank you for putting your real numbers in the mix to prove my point. Good day to you as well.

yaz
04-04-2013, 07:00 AM
I am finding it intersting that people here are defending a guild that they are not part of and seem to be able to state with certainty that they are all spending hundreds of dollars each on a game

chimera69
04-04-2013, 07:01 AM
There are many people playing these Gree games who spend several hundred dollars minimum on them every single month. To raise that to a couple thousand dollars (or even more) for a particular event is very commonplace for them (even before the introduction of guilds). Seriously.

One of the very top spenders in MW once discussed how he easily spends up to $5k - more if necessary - to win the top prize in the leaderboard/auction events. And he wins it most every time. Same with the top spenders in CC. KA is no different.

Thus, the points achieved by the top guilds is easily accomplished legitimately, albeit at considerable expense,

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 07:01 AM
So your saying 8 mountains ($480 with the 40% sale) equals 500,000 points? Well that is what everyone on that team would have needed to get to 30 million. Thank you for putting your real numbers in the mix to prove my point. Good day to you as well.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Here let's break it down.

1 mountain = 1,500 Gems or 60 Health packs
60 health packs x 4 hits = 240 extra hits
240 hits x a modest average of 250 CP = 60,000

60,000 x 8 mountains = 480,000 CP

AND, we didn't factor a single free hit.

NEEEEEEEEXT post.

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 07:08 AM
I am finding it intersting that people here are defending a guild that they are not part of and seem to be able to state with certainty that they are all spending hundreds of dollars each on a game

You joined in April 2013. You have 3 posts in a single thread. These players don't shrug at competition and spending some money isn't unfeasible to comprehend. Stick around and you'll see how serious this game is.

But, for you it is. Why? Because you don't spend that sorta money? And, you're implying that all Guild members have an average of mountains bought. Some players spent thousands, some hundreds and maybe some a mountain or two. But stop underestimating.

:) So, please stick around the forum. It's a good community of players. You'll learn a lot.

yaz
04-04-2013, 07:09 AM
This thread now reminds me of the movie " A few Good Men" and Jack Nickolson's great comment: "THE TRUTH...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH"

I dont doubt there are the ocassional huge gem spenders out there, I find it hard to believe they all are in one guild.

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 07:11 AM
I dont doubt there are the ocassional huge gem spenders out there, I find it hard to believe they all are in one guild.

LMAO. Do you think a single high Gem spender wants to bankroll the whole team?!?!? HAHAHAHA, so here's the deal, I'd like you to go back a month or two and read up about the Guild you are questioning. You'll see all sorts of posts, regarding their "requirements".

And, yes. A #1 team doesn't consist of one good player plus mediocre players.

You're right, you're filling in the intended target of Jack Nicholson's words. ;)

yaz
04-04-2013, 07:15 AM
You joined in April 2013. You have 3 posts in a single thread. These players don't shrug at competition and spending some money isn't unfeasible to comprehend. Stick around and you'll see how serious this game is.

But, for you it is. Why? Because you don't spend that sorta money? And, you're implying that all Guild members have an average of mountains bought. Some players spent thousands, some hundreds and maybe some a mountain or two. But stop underestimating.

:) So, please stick around the forum. It's a good community of players. You'll learn a lot.

I have been on this forum reading posts for over a year and am a level 170 player, I joined today so I could reply to these rediculous comments, I would love to hear from a top 3 quild player about this. And lastly, if other members in your guild are cheaters, how would you know the difference if they are smart enough to not do dumb things like keep millions in their vaults

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 07:15 AM
This thread now reminds me of the movie " A few Good Men" and Jack Nickolson's great comment: "THE TRUTH...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH"

I dont doubt there are the ocassional huge gem spenders out there, I find it hard to believe they all are in one guild.

The guilds at the top recruit only Gem players. Read the recruitment threads.

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 07:16 AM
I would love to hear from a top 3 quild player about this.

Sorry, didn't know you were looking for elite answers. I'll retire back to my #5 Guild. :)

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 07:20 AM
I have been playing this game and reading this forum everyday for over 6 months. Just because my tag says I'm a new member that is far from the truth. I have picked up a lot of helpful information from all kinds of people on here including you. I'm was simply curious on how a team could get so many points, but now I know they spent thousands of dollars to get items that (with a team full of the top players) they didn't need. I guess they wanted bragging rights. If it's legit I'm impressed and a huge congrats is due, but for no one to question it at all seems silly.

yaz
04-04-2013, 07:23 AM
ok, this is my last post on this subject, we can agree to disagree on this. Perhaps there are many people that have disposable cash to spend thousands of dollars a month on this game, not me, I will give it to my church where it will do some real good

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 07:26 AM
I have been playing this game and reading this forum everyday for over 6 months. Just because my tag says I'm a new member that is far from the truth. I have picked up a lot of helpful information from all kinds of people on here including you. I'm was simply curious on how a team could get so many points, but now I know they spent thousands of dollars to get items that (with a team full of the top players) they didn't need. I guess they wanted bragging rights. If it's legit I'm impressed and a huge congrats is due, but for no one to question it at all seems silly.

Questions are encouraged when they are simply that. For example.. 'Can someone explain how & why the top guild had over 30Mil points?'

The Big Weezy
04-04-2013, 07:32 AM
Then you didn't get paired up very well, did you? When a Guild came along with, say, a level 197 or level 200 player that had 200k def, did you unload all of your Gems? Because that's where points are made. If you don't think people spent thousands of Gems on that very situation, then you didn't think about it. ;) Now multiply that by a dozen or two or three players brutally, savagely attacking that player. See where those points came from? :)

I know that some players bought mountains in the middle of a single hour battle to hit that player. More. Did you write that down for next Guild war? lol There's your strategy. Share it.

This is the key. How many guilds in the top ten, in order to stay there, dropped another 1mil pts in order to pad that cushion a little further? MoC scored 1.3mil pts in the final two battle declarations alone in order to maintain position. You can be rest assured that nobody thought they'd be buying more gems at 7.1mil pts yesterday morning bright and early. And we barely scratched the bottom of the top ten barrel, kids. So think about that as you accuse a powerhouse like FUN of cheating. I fully believe they spent at least $1000/member to be there, and do not for a second think that cheating is involved. There are really solid individuals in that guild who would never tolerate such nefarious activity within their ranks. Why risk the future of your entire guild over one or two dishonest dudes?

If you think FUN is suspect, then report them to Gree. Simple as that. If you have screenshot of misconduct, be sure to include in the body of your missive so it's not immediately discarded in the "jealous players" stack of emails in the corner there.

This thread is about HACKER GUILDS being outted with SCREEN SHOTS to verify the authenticity of the accusations in question. So unless you've got some Hard effing evidence to accompany your purely conjectured blather I'd suggest clenching your jealous fists instead of typing another word.

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 07:37 AM
I will give it to my church where it will do some real good

Awww, aren't you sweet. You feel better about youself now? Awesome!

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 07:49 AM
If you had read the thread nobody is accusing them of doing anything illegal. I am just curious. People are on speaking for that team and you have no idea what they are doing. Unless you are there watching them dump thousands of dollars into this game you would be Na´ve to think people are so addicted to this game to spend $1000 in 5 days with another battle starting in a week or two. Maybe I'm wrong but that seems excessive for a team of players that have the highest stats in the game to waste that kind of money for basically nothing that will help them (because they are already the best).

Shinazueli
04-04-2013, 08:03 AM
If you had read the thread nobody is accusing them of doing anything illegal. I am just curious. People are on speaking for that team and you have no idea what they are doing. Unless you are there watching them dump thousands of dollars into this game you would be Na´ve to think people are so addicted to this game to spend $1000 in 5 days with another battle starting in a week or two. Maybe I'm wrong but that seems excessive for a team of players that have the highest stats in the game to waste that kind of money for basically nothing that will help them (because they are already the best).

The reason people are defending that team, doltish nublet, is BECAUSE WE KNOW THEM YOU IDIOT!! They aren't called Forum United Nation for the effing fun of it!! Also, we've all seen how much these people are willing to spend. After you've been told several times that you should stop with your accusations and drivel, you continue!? Sit down, shut up, read, and learn. Some of these people have been around as long as the game has, and in some cases longer as we've also played the other Gree games. These people have literally no problem blowing 50 mountains in a 2 day event. None. Be green with envy if you must (I know I am) but do stop with your accusations and subtle digs of underhanded-ness. You were completely wrong, take it on the chin and move on.

Dogs Pizza
04-04-2013, 08:05 AM
King Henry and Yaz,
You guys do not understand this game or human nature very well. There are those that want to win badly enough, and have a fat wallet, that will drop thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars on a game so they can see there name at the top. I bought 5 mountains (did not spend all of it on the war), put up about 200k points and was not even in the top ten of scorers in my guild. There was a couple players in my guild that put up as many points in a single fight as i put up in the whole war. You are both just being naive.

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 08:09 AM
I guess I have stirred the pot enough on this subject. Good luck to all on the events leading up to the next battle. Maybe my boss/wife will let me mortgage the house to win the next event

Shinazueli
04-04-2013, 08:10 AM
Also, in case you or any other FNG nublet is wondering why we are so angry, it's because some of us have poured our effing hearts and souls (and yes, our wallets)into this game and specifically these forums to make them an informational place where new and old players alike can come to chat with friends, and every time we turn around some f&&king nub is bashing on one of our friends because they get all big eyed about the real money involved here. We take accusations of hacking or cheating among us very seriously(unlike Gree), so before you even f$$king IMPLY that one of us isn't playing fair you need to f&$king think twice, and then three times, and repeat infinitely until you no longer think that.

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 08:15 AM
The reason people are defending that team, doltish nublet, is BECAUSE WE KNOW THEM YOU IDIOT!! They aren't called Forum United Nation for the effing fun of it!! Also, we've all seen how much these people are willing to spend. After you've been told several times that you should stop with your accusations and drivel, you continue!? Sit down, shut up, read, and learn. Some of these people have been around as long as the game has, and in some cases longer as we've also played the other Gree games. These people have literally no problem blowing 50 mountains in a 2 day event. None. Be green with envy if you must (I know I am) but do stop with your accusations and subtle digs of underhanded-ness. You were completely wrong, take it on the chin and move on.

How cute you know people from an online game and trust them beyond question without actually knowing them. Did I mention I'm the president of the USA. I said it online it must be true!

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 08:16 AM
Shin, you deserve a drink for that one! Please allow me to buy..

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 08:16 AM
Also, in case you or any other FNG nublet is wondering why we are so angry, it's because some of us have poured our effing hearts and souls (and yes, our wallets)into this game and specifically these forums to make them an informational place where new and old players alike can come to chat with friends, and every time we turn around some f&&king nub is bashing on one of our friends because they get all big eyed about the real money involved here. We take accusations of hacking or cheating among us very seriously(unlike Gree), so before you even f$$king IMPLY that one of us isn't playing fair you need to f&$king think twice, and then three times, and repeat infinitely until you no longer think that.
You mad bro?

jonny0284
04-04-2013, 08:17 AM
How cute you know people from an online game and trust them beyond question without actually knowing them. Did I mention I'm the president of the USA. I said it online it must be true!

I thought you said you were done stirring the pot? :)

Mickeytah
04-04-2013, 08:20 AM
I thought you said you were done stirring the pot? :)

Jonny, you know as well as anyone that stirring the pot is a difficult addiction to quit. You know, it's like quitting being a sore loser.

Shinazueli
04-04-2013, 08:23 AM
news flash!! The entire forum community is retarded,
And we should only listen to (what's his name?) king Henry 22. He knows all, and we have all been lied to. Good day!

No seriously dude, did you think we haven't seen them do this again and again over the last year or so? Do you honestly think we would put up with anything like impropriety? We f$&@ing hate cheaters here, dude, and these people have been with us and poured over and vetted by every jealous mother f'er out there. They've individually probably been reported as hackers a dozen times. The reason they are still playing is because they are legit. I know it hurts your head to think about the money involved. But thats the only logical conclusion.

The world isn't retarded aside from you, bro. Sorry.

King Henry 22
04-04-2013, 08:26 AM
I thought you said you were done stirring the pot? :)

Your right jonny my bad. Just didn't like being cussed.

sparckle
04-04-2013, 08:28 AM
The problem is you people care too much about this game (clearly some kind of addiction problem) while Gree cares none about you. Put the two together and go figure why Gree does nothing about them hackers.

Gree can afford the collapse of this game. You people can't. Lol.

Shinazueli
04-04-2013, 08:31 AM
I'm leaving this thread now before I throw something. I just saw my favorite person post, I'm still hoping to see him drawn and quartered publicly.

l3lade2
04-04-2013, 08:33 AM
Aaaaannnnd back to topic..........that guild are still in existence :confused:

sparckle
04-04-2013, 08:34 AM
I'm leaving this thread now before I throw something. I just saw my favorite person post, I'm still hoping to see him drawn and quartered publicly.

Well it's been a pleasure having you here.

You're welcome back anytime.

yaz
04-04-2013, 08:34 AM
This has become laughable, if you are a smart hacker, you could fly under the radar to everyone including your guild team members.
I could just hack gems and spend like crazy, no one would never know. Again, there is no way for anyone to tell if you are hacking or buying gems on this forum except for the person in question. Tell me I am wrong...

Shinazueli
04-04-2013, 08:36 AM
Gree will know. And when, not if, you get reported, it won't go well for you.

sparckle
04-04-2013, 08:36 AM
Even a dumb hacker knows Gree won't ban them. So you don't need to be smart to fly under the radar.

l3lade2
04-04-2013, 08:40 AM
Even a dumb hacker knows Gree won't ban them. So you don't need to be smart to fly under the radar.

I'm just not sure that i'd call finishing in #1 in the very first guild war, smashing it up with +30million CP and being prominent forum members really flying under the radar dumbass

sparckle
04-04-2013, 08:42 AM
I'm just not sure that i'd call finishing in #1 in the very first guild war, smashing it up with +30million CP and being prominent forum members really flying under the radar dumbass

Dunno what the hell you're on about. Maybe you forgot to take your medication?

l3lade2
04-04-2013, 08:44 AM
Dunno what the hell you're on about. Maybe you forgot to take your medication?

I rest my case

sparckle
04-04-2013, 08:46 AM
Yes. Look carefully next time. Is my name "King Henry 22"? Did I mention FUN to be a guild of hackers?

Everyone makes mistakes once in a while. So I'll forgive you on this occasion.

yaz
04-04-2013, 09:09 AM
I never got an answer to the question, how would a player know if another player was a hacker if they were careful, maybe its because you can't tell.
Just because I say I am a big gem spender, maybe I am, maybe I am not... All thieves and criminals look innocent enough and can be quite convincing, it is so easy to hack gems that I believe it is more common than some people think. Why would I spend $1000 per month, for that price, I could by a new IPAD, jail break it, and use it solely for hacking gems and save thousands in the end.

With all that said above, I know there are real ligitimate big money spenders and thats fine if you want to throw your money away, its yours to spend, but maybe its time to get a life if all you have to look forward to is spending money on a mindless game that in the end does nothing to make you any better of a person...

sparckle
04-04-2013, 09:24 AM
This game is not a democracy. If Gree says you're a hacker, then you're a hacker.

Perfuzzie
04-04-2013, 09:31 AM
This game is not a democracy. If Gree says you're a hacker, then you're a hacker.

Dude... U are really getting on our nerves....

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-04-2013, 09:37 AM
With all that said above, I know there are real ligitimate big money spenders and thats fine if you want to throw your money away, its yours to spend, but maybe its time to get a life if all you have to look forward to is spending money on a mindless game that in the end does nothing to make you any better of a person...[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, maybe we should all quit and join a chess club. 0__o
Can i buy an extra Queen? :-)

Shinazueli
04-04-2013, 12:38 PM
Only if I get to buy an extra king. You have to checkmate both to win. Lol.

Jixx
04-04-2013, 01:09 PM
the internet should be taken away from retarded people, thats what this thread taught me.

MaverickMunkey
04-04-2013, 01:45 PM
Sorry, didn't know you were looking for elite answers. I'll retire back to my #5 Guild. :)

I'll join you Jonny, at number 5 we are just not good enough to answer questions on the forum anymore.

Oh well!!!

Rastlin
04-04-2013, 03:07 PM
If you read my reply I did not accuse anyone, and when is discussion about something we dont understand a bad thing? I have been playing this game for over a year so I understand what it takes to be a top player. I am also an engineer with a methodical thought process and find it hard to believe an entire team would each spend $500 on a game.
How? They did a GREAT job at recruiting! Think of how many Gem users would love to be in FUN, or RK? Hey please pick me!! I spent $250 on the wars, my guild came in 56th place. Now I know every guild ahead of me had someone buying gems. So let's say one player each from every guild ahead of mine get together now for the next war, and poof you have a new Top 1,2, or 3 team. Not so hard to understand, or imagine anymore right?

sleazius
04-04-2013, 08:16 PM
We had 2 guys on our team clear 1 million points and 1 other just short of it. FUN at one point or another has asked virtually anyone who spends large sums of money on this game to join them. They actively recruit the biggest spenders.

To put them in the same basket as the team we're talking about who clearly have a gold hacker in their ranks is just stupid.

I know its very difficult to understand, but there are a lot of people in this game that take winning very seriously, and they'll spend what it takes to get the rewards they want. If you're a free player, or even a light gem spender, you simply can't compete.

Perfuzzie
04-04-2013, 08:22 PM
FUN and RK both spend serious amount of cash in this game , so i dont think its even appropriate to call them hackers ... they are just the biggest gem players of this game and everyone knows it . because of them the game goes on . if gree doesnt make profit then guess what ? u gonna go back to playing solitaire :D

Rastlin
04-04-2013, 08:27 PM
u gonna go back to playing solitaire :D
I just upgraded my deck to 8 Aces. Working on 2 more Kings now.

Klassenr@hotmail.com
04-05-2013, 09:51 AM
All,
Is it generally accepted that any guild with all member & bonuses unlocked something is fishy? Especially if i cannot find the guild name in the top 100 list for Dragons Roost. This seems incongruent, but im no engineer..
I ask because i know of one.

l3lade2
04-05-2013, 10:51 AM
No legit guild has all bonus' acquired as of yet, period.

The Big Weezy
04-05-2013, 12:17 PM
u gonna go back to playing solitaire :D

My friend, you are the best. :D