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willb125
05-29-2013, 09:55 AM
Just compiling a list. You can figure out the reason.

60 MEMBERS
1. Ultimate Kingdoms
2. Kings Gate 3
3. United As One
4. Daddy Chubbs
5. Under Dogs
6. United Players
7. Supreme Kingdoms
8. Drandmir
9. Fr Ali
10. Unholy Temple
11. Hogsmeade
12. Approaching Storm
13. Hunter's Realm
14. TAE
15. Dyno's Dragons


58 MEMBERS
1. FUN
2. Night Walkers Guild
3. The Force
4. Knights of Camel
5.



PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS HOW OR WHY THESE GUILDS ARE THIS SIZE ON THIS THREAD

DO FEEL FREE TO POST OTHERS I HAVE NOT LISTED

willb125
05-29-2013, 09:55 AM
Reserved for future use

Kjctnorris
05-29-2013, 10:45 AM
CJ would say 95% of your list is wrong.

Steelfury
05-29-2013, 11:11 AM
ok. back to twiddling my thumbs then : )

*TheOneAndOnly* to add to the list btw. I have some pretty interesting screen shots.

Colony Colonel
05-29-2013, 11:11 AM
Delete your post or you will be silenced! Happened to me. we don't speak of the cyber attackers! We welcome them into our game with open arms!

Toddiekska
05-29-2013, 11:39 AM
I believe if you read below the list you will see the following:

PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS HOW OR WHY THESE GUILDS ARE THIS SIZE ON THIS THREAD

DO FEEL FREE TO POST OTHERS I HAVE NOT LISTED

Samskill
05-29-2013, 11:59 AM
You just woke CJ up from his sleep :)

willb125
05-29-2013, 12:38 PM
ok. back to twiddling my thumbs then : )

*TheOneAndOnly* to add to the list btw. I have some pretty interesting screen shots.

I found this guild at 56 earlier today (without the stars). They hit 60 already? Or is this a different guild with the stars?

Steelfury
05-29-2013, 02:25 PM
Yeah, it's without the stars.

Chups
05-29-2013, 02:34 PM
FUN is the only legit Guild.

Thanks for this list.

BadNews
05-29-2013, 03:16 PM
My list:

58 106266274 iR_ape
60 789658337 Weeeeee
60 885578648 Warlord
60 440214016 United Players
60 323763153 United As One
60 930911246 Under Dogs
60 302183274 Ultimate Kingdoms
60 959095447 TAE
60 785514146 Supreme Kingdoms
58 476729611 Stormclocks
60 534866092 Serge1
58 358719109 Night Walkers Guild
58 292772774 Knights Of Camel
60 356500244 Kingdom Of Heaven
60 660601111 King's Gate III (KG3)
60 698233696 Holland1
60 870727218 Hogsmeade
58 829294507 FORUM UNITED NATION
60 416066681 Dyno's Dragons
60 173248880 Dudd
60 926023057 Drandmir
60 416066681 Dragon Lords
60 859389301 Daddy Chubbs
60 843709842 Approaching Storm
58 562104010 -UNITED NATIONS-

BadNews
05-29-2013, 03:18 PM
CJ would say 95% of your list is wrong.

You can verify my list by the code. lol

Klassenr@hotmail.com
05-29-2013, 03:23 PM
We battled at least 7 of them, some more than once, over the weekend. Frustrating.

Munseyspin
05-29-2013, 03:40 PM
Results for war are up, now let's have a look.......

JPNy
05-29-2013, 04:10 PM
My list:

58 106266274 iR_ape
60 789658337 Weeeeee
60 885578648 Warlord
60 440214016 United Players
60 323763153 United As One
60 930911246 Under Dogs
60 302183274 Ultimate Kingdoms
60 959095447 TAE
60 785514146 Supreme Kingdoms
58 476729611 Stormclocks
60 534866092 Serge1
58 358719109 Night Walkers Guild
58 292772774 Knights Of Camel
60 356500244 Kingdom Of Heaven
60 660601111 King's Gate III (KG3)
60 698233696 Holland1
60 870727218 Hogsmeade
58 829294507 FORUM UNITED NATION
60 416066681 Dyno's Dragons
60 173248880 Dudd
60 926023057 Drandmir
60 416066681 Dragon Lords
60 859389301 Daddy Chubbs
60 843709842 Approaching Storm
58 562104010 -UNITED NATIONS-

That's a great job. I had things like that but without all the IDs !!
With the final ranking it's scary...

58 106266274 iR_ape
60 789658337 Weeeeee
60 885578648 Warlord 196
60 440214016 United Players 68
60 323763153 United As One 78
60 930911246 Under Dogs 177
60 302183274 Ultimate Kingdoms 11
60 959095447 TAE 328
60 785514146 Supreme Kingdoms 21
58 476729611 Stormclocks 69
60 534866092 Serge1
58 358719109 Night Walkers Guild 67
58 292772774 Knights Of Camel 225
60 356500244 Kingdom Of Heaven 24
60 660601111 King's Gate III (KG3) 47
60 698233696 Holland1 42
60 870727218 Hogsmeade 172
58 829294507 FORUM UNITED NATION 1
60 416066681 Dyno's Dragons 34
60 173248880 Dudd
60 926023057 Drandmir 182
60 416066681 Dragon Lords
60 859389301 Daddy Chubbs 80
60 843709842 Approaching Storm 102
58 562104010 -UNITED NATIONS- 160

BadNews
05-29-2013, 05:17 PM
Some guilds changed their name. Name can be changed but not ID.

Can you re-check them?

Say, iR_ape changed to iBob, it's rank 100.
Dragon Lords changed to Dyno's Dragons, rank 34.

VileDoom
05-29-2013, 05:21 PM
We battled at least 7 of them, some more than once, over the weekend. Frustrating.

Very frustrating. Donations must come easy in those guilds since they always had level 10 walls. ;)

emcee
05-29-2013, 05:37 PM
TBC had level 3 walls for all but 2 battles :(

Dirt road Joe
05-29-2013, 07:40 PM
TBC had level 3 walls for all but 2 battles :( It is very hard to set aside that much gold. I could only imagine what that many level 10 walls would cost. I personally think health and energy upgrades are worth the gold rather than walls. But then again, if you had the ability to purchase all the guild unlocks, it must be easy to sc**** up some quick gold donations for walls. Although i have seen many of these 60 member guilds offering positions to members without any donation requirements! Thats just insane! We at MoC have a good donation requirement, but there is no way we could invite new players in and not require daily donations. We push hard for donations in a few different ways, but it still takes a very long time to get what we want. I am estimating in order for us to get full unlocks it is going to take just under a year. We are pushing in that direction though! We always have fun doing it too!

Ssne
05-29-2013, 07:43 PM
These guilds must all have their cottages maxed out to afford this.

SoccerStud
05-29-2013, 07:46 PM
Funny part is that I reported united players 2 months and 20 days ago. But you know, gree sucks so they are still I'm business.

Almost There
05-29-2013, 08:00 PM
Funny part is that I reported united players 2 months and 20 days ago. But you know, gree sucks so they are still I'm business.

Maybe that's why they're at 68 instead of 11. Progress?

SoccerStud
05-29-2013, 08:03 PM
Maybe that's why they're at 68 instead of 11. Progress?
What's that even mean? Lol

klevito
05-29-2013, 08:03 PM
There must be a point to this thread, surely.
I just can't figure it out yet. I'll kee trying though.

Judging by the title, it should be an MoC hang out platform

Ratma2001
05-29-2013, 09:09 PM
3584

never ending

Octofinger
05-30-2013, 12:59 AM
These guilds must all have their cottages maxed out to afford this.

This made me LOL!

minae
05-30-2013, 01:50 AM
I'm a member of one of those 60 member guilds.

It was 60 members when i joined - a couple days or so after guilds were introduced, and i heard later that some dude had created the guild, dumped alot (sic) of gold and created the bonuses and left.

Now, then there's the dilemma - what kind of action would you suggest be done? The people in the guild now has no idea of what it takes to get to 60 members, they're just having fun and getting to know eachother. They haven't hacked anything. Are they to be punished? Should the guild be disbanded? What about the 50+ players that doesn't understand what's happening and has no reason to suspect any foul play?

I would imagine a lot of the 60-member guilds active now was created the same way, they're full of just regular people that play and have fun.

steve_r
05-30-2013, 02:00 AM
Yes it should be disbanded. Scrounge the cash to build up another one or two instead.

Ratma2001
05-30-2013, 02:22 AM
I'm a member of one of those 60 member guilds.

It was 60 members when i joined - a couple days or so after guilds were introduced, and i heard later that some dude had created the guild, dumped alot (sic) of gold and created the bonuses and left.

Now, then there's the dilemma - what kind of action would you suggest be done? The people in the guild now has no idea of what it takes to get to 60 members, they're just having fun and getting to know eachother. They haven't hacked anything. Are they to be punished? Should the guild be disbanded? What about the 50+ players that doesn't understand what's happening and has no reason to suspect any foul play?

I would imagine a lot of the 60-member guilds active now was created the same way, they're full of just regular people that play and have fun.

Based on past happenings with Gree , you will be safe along with ALL the other Guilds that have 60 members, just carry on as normal , enjoy you're 60 member group and all bonuses , this will help you get further in the game than most non-??????? Guilds , you get bett everything , regens, walls, so forth and so on, as it seems Gree dont do a thing in relation to these type of Guilds ! It's been proven time and time again and like an old recording it will be played time and time again!.
If Gree was serious about ALL these they would have done something by now, but they haven't and they don't want to!
Honestly how many reports does it take to get something done !?
Some go back to First war and still nothing done.....Sirius , you keep saying "Send in reports to support" and they will investigate ? Blatant mistrust if I've ever seen! It's turning into a Farse !
How many Forum member have posted that they have damning evidence on these Guilds and still nothing done !
Maybe The Forum Members should make a "Thread" on Reports sent to Support !
Let's see the results of those.

l3lade2
05-30-2013, 02:39 AM
I'm a member of one of those 60 member guilds.

It was 60 members when i joined - a couple days or so after guilds were introduced, and i heard later that some dude had created the guild, dumped alot (sic) of gold and created the bonuses and left.

Now, then there's the dilemma - what kind of action would you suggest be done? The people in the guild now has no idea of what it takes to get to 60 members, they're just having fun and getting to know eachother. They haven't hacked anything. Are they to be punished? Should the guild be disbanded? What about the 50+ players that doesn't understand what's happening and has no reason to suspect any foul play?

I would imagine a lot of the 60-member guilds active now was created the same way, they're full of just regular people that play and have fun.

I honestly would not recommend coming on here and preaching ignorance, I can't imagine many players have a great deal of apathy for you.

In short, most people aren't calling for "all members of hacked guilds to be punished", what should happen is the guild should be deleted, forcing the members to simply join another, hopefully legitimate guild.

minae
05-30-2013, 02:49 AM
My point was not to try to achieve empathy or any other acceptance of what has been done, but to illustrate that what might appear as a witch hunt for some seems to cover people that has no knowledge of what has been done.

I'm sorry if it appeared that way, i'll just go sit in a corner and wait to be raided by people with hundreds of abominations :)

VileDoom
05-30-2013, 03:00 AM
Our guild is 42/42 members. This means at the start of a battle you potentially have 18 more members fighting than us. That's 18 members times 4 attacks each for 72 extra attacks. Now factor in your health regeneration bonus for all 60 members and the amount of free attacks have been multiplied further. The best part of it, your 60 members get it at the reduced price of FREE.

Now throw in a few high statistic gem players to scout targets and all these free attacks become even more effective. But don't take my word for it just look at the most recent winners list to see how it's been applied.

Ratma2001
05-30-2013, 03:00 AM
My point was not to try to achieve empathy or any other acceptance of what has been done, but to illustrate that what might appear as a witch hunt for some seems to cover people that has no knowledge of what has been done.

I'm sorry if it appeared that way, i'll just go sit in a corner and wait to be raided by people with hundreds of abominations :)

My honest appraisal of your situation would be Leaveyour Guild and Join a reputible one, there're still some out there.
Look for the main posters in the forum and ask the question if they have any vacancies?
You couldn't loose much more than a no we're Full.
Knock on some doors and ask, they won't bite most are approachable and will welcome you

Ratma2001
05-30-2013, 03:03 AM
Our guild is 42/42 members. This means at the start of a battle you potentially have 18 more members fighting than us. That's 18 members times 4 attacks each for 72 extra attacks. Now factor in your health regeneration bonus for all 60 members and the amount of free attacks have been multiplied further. The best part of it, your 60 members get it at the reduced price of FREE.

Now throw in a few high statistic gem players to scout targets and all these free attacks become even more effective. But don't take my word for it just look at the most recent winners list to see how it's been applied.

Spoken like a True Guild leader, Thankyou for the analysise Vile, always welcomed. Good to hear your input as usual my old friend( not that you're old)

emcee
05-30-2013, 03:19 AM
Our guild is 42/42 members. This means at the start of a battle you potentially have 18 more members fighting than us. That's 18 members times 4 attacks each for 72 extra attacks. Now factor in your health regeneration bonus for all 60 members and the amount of free attacks have been multiplied further. The best part of it, your 60 members get it at the reduced price of FREE.

Now throw in a few high statistic gem players to scout targets and all these free attacks become even more effective. But don't take my word for it just look at the most recent winners list to see how it's been applied.

It's funny how the members of these 60 guilds or close to 60 either are oblivious to these points or won't publicly admit it.

Now lets factor in all the donations you do not ever have to make and just funnel that back into your economy and upgrade buildings and defensive structures to your hearts content. Furthermore, let's forget about increasing your economy and buy a few hundred top gold units and equip them with best armor and weapons. Easy breezy.........

Lets compound this more with easier boss events and hence making your characters stronger not to mention top conquest of kings placement and all the loot that comes with it.

So lets stop beating around the bush and make all guilds 60 members already.

klevito
05-30-2013, 05:30 AM
It's funny how the members of these 60 guilds or close to 60 either are oblivious to these points or won't publicly admit it.

I am the proud member of a 60 member guild and i am not oblivious to those points.
:)

l3lade2
05-30-2013, 05:44 AM
I am the proud member of a 60 member guild and i am not oblivious to those points.
:)

Translation; I'm in a hacker guild, aware that by inference I am therefore a hacker (or no better than) and that I am very proud of such...proud moment for you :rolleyes:

klevito
05-30-2013, 07:28 AM
hahaha l3lade2

my laptop was on and i was busy doing a few things away from it. My wife passes by and in a glance sees i had posted and tells me "Hey, someone replied to you, saying....(and she reads your reply)"
"is it someone with an image of a bunch crows?" i ask her

I often wonder if to get accepted in MoC, one needs to post over 35 times in forum about "hacker guilds" or whether once you are in MoC, you are required to come back and contribute nothing but talking about "hacker guilds"
If one was to just follow your and your alliance members posts in forums, he/she would get the impression that the only thing wrong with the game is the dozen or more guilds with 60 members.

Geez, imagine what your MoC internal forums read like, if all you talk about is "hacker guilds"
I have reported 3-4 hackers myself and i don't give a rat's rear about what you think and how strong you feel about my guild or me as it's member.
I have the honor and fortune to be playing alongside 50+ of the most ordinary, hard working and honest players i have met.
I do not support hackers. I support my fellow guild gem-spender whose money is as good as anyone's else out there.
And the reason i love my 60 member guild is that none of them is chasing drama and come to post here every day about the same thing over and over and over. They are gentlemen enough to make the point once, keep their head down and make little talk with each other rather than spend their game time to talk about other's fortune or misfortune.

Go to your profile - click search - count the number of posts you talk about "hacker guild" and amuse yourself

bgood
05-30-2013, 07:39 AM
I dont think the person who was handed a stolen ferrarri for free, is really "honest" nor hard "hard working" just willing to look the other way. Look at your donation logs...i bet they probably look normal bc whoever loaded the cash left...but that doesn't strike as wierd of course not...even more so if you see someone with a rediculous large amount it doesn't ask you the question....maybe im eating the fruit from the poisonous tree. Your probably not a hacker but someone who is just might not care where the bonuses they enjoy come from.

Kjctnorris
05-30-2013, 07:42 AM
hahaha l3lade2

my laptop was on and i was busy doing a few things away from it. My wife passes by and in a glance sees i had posted and tells me "Hey, someone replied to you, saying....(and she reads your reply)"
"is it someone with an image of a bunch crows?" i ask her

I often wonder if to get accepted in MoC, one needs to post over 35 times in forum about "hacker guilds" or whether once you are in MoC, you are required to come back and contribute nothing but talking about "hacker guilds"
If one was to just follow your and your alliance members posts in forums, he/she would get the impression that the only thing wrong with the game is the dozen or more guilds with 60 members.

Geez, imagine what your MoC internal forums read like, if all you talk about is "hacker guilds"
I have reported 3-4 hackers myself and i don't give a rat's rear about what you think and how strong you feel about my guild or me as it's member.
I have the honor and fortune to be playing alongside 50+ of the most ordinary, hard working and honest players i have met.
I do not support hackers. I support my fellow guild gem-spender whose money is as good as anyone's else out there.
And the reason i love my 60 member guild is that none of them is chasing drama and come to post here every day about the same thing over and over and over. They are gentlemen enough to make the point once, keep their head down and make little talk with each other rather than spend their game time to talk about other's fortune or misfortune.

Go to your profile - click search - count the number of posts you talk about "hacker guild" and amuse yourself
Certainly was a long-winded post for someone who doesn't care. You care; you've posted three times in this thread desperately trying to rationalize your guild choice.

But since you are a supporter of fair play as you claim, you should apply for an honorary MoC membership. We'll be starting our all-night chat on hacker guilds at 9pm eastern. Bring your own s'mores and make sure to know the words to Kum Ba Yah.

Ssne
05-30-2013, 07:55 AM
It's pretty easy really. If you are in a 60 member guild, you are guilty and complicit, regardless of the knowledge / actions of it's currently existing members.

The odd thing is it's blatantly obvious that a 60 member guild cannot be had at this point in time (of course, they've been around for weeks and weeks). The strongest guilds with the highest IPHs in the game cannot get there yet.

How hard is it to sort for these guilds and disband them? Our amateur Sherlocks on this board can practically solve this problem.

klevito
05-30-2013, 08:12 AM
I dont think the person who was handed a stolen ferrarri for free, is really "honest" nor hard "hard working" just willing to look the other way.

Now, let's make your analogy a bit more relevant.
The ferrari didn't belong to someone. There was no Ferrari.
There was just a bank robber who bought the ferrari with the stolen money.

There is also the passengers who reported the ferrari owner to the police after driving together a few hundred miles saying "Hey Mr.policeman. He is a thief and he robbed a bank"
The police handcuffed the robber and put him/her in jail, leaving the ferrari and the passengers in the middle of the highway inside the car but the keys were with the prisoner and the passenger doesn't want to hitch-hike because he made friends on the way with other ferrari passengers and who put all their savings to buy the stereo of the ferrari and the rims

So, they go to the police and say
Hey mr.police, what happens to the ferrari now and the money we put in it?

Mr.police says, let me know who will drive it and i will issue a copy of the keys and you keep driving.

Does it sound to you like the passenger is not honest? Or do you think the authorities should give the passengers back a rim here and a cupholder they invested on and get rid of the ferrari?
Does that sound like a solution to you?
Or do you you suggest to make the passengers victim and have them lose what they invested in the ferrari and call it "fair"

If no other choice, would you rather have a guilty one walk away or an innocent get fried?



Certainly was a long-winded post for someone who doesn't care.
It is not time yet for me to get my first drink of the day and enjoy a proper debate or argument and why not, follow you up on the "take out of context and twist someone's word" challenge.
Later maybe.

However, i clearly stated i don't care about how "that individual with a crow signature, thinks or judges me as". I do very much enjoy coming to the forums, glancing on the few dozen thread titles and posting when and where my interest is attracted.

I have been around game forums (not especially this one) for a very, very long time. I have flamed and argued, i have moderated, helped and contributed. I have met my fair share of teens right in their peak of puberty, smart "know-it-all"s and i know very well when to put words in someone's else mouth.

So, yes Mr. "another MoC", i post in forums because i enjoy it and has nothing to do with care or not as you concludes. That is the reason why i post three times here and will be posting more.

But, i will respectfully put your offer to join MoC on the collection cabinet for now
:)

Kusa
05-30-2013, 08:21 AM
Even max iph does not yield half what I make raiding good day 5mil+ bad day nothing.

Kjctnorris
05-30-2013, 08:29 AM
It is not time yet for me to get my first drink of the day and enjoy a proper debate or argument and why not, follow you up on the "take out of context and twist someone's word" challenge.
Later maybe.

However, i clearly stated i don't care about how "that individual with a crow signature, thinks or judges me as". I do very much enjoy coming to the forums, glancing on the few dozen thread titles and posting when and where my interest is attracted.

I have been around game forums (not especially this one) for a very, very long time. I have flamed and argued, i have moderated, helped and contributed. I have met my fair share of teens right in their peak of puberty, smart "know-it-all"s and i know very well when to put words in someone's else mouth.

So, yes Mr. "another MoC", i post in forums because i enjoy it and has nothing to do with care or not as you concludes. That is the reason why i post three times here and will be posting more.

But, i will respectfully put your offer to join MoC on the collection cabinet for now
:)
Ha, awesome. You post here on this thread four times as the singular voice of the hacker guild (unless you include the oblivious poster who "didn't know") because you enjoy it, but the MoC members (who are only four of about 20+ posters echoing the same sentiment) who have been regular long time posters on this forum in all categories of conversation are supposedly obsessed despite there not being many other current topics of interesting conversation. Almost 10% of your total posts on this forum have been in this thread trying to justify your position. *insert chortle here*

Enjoy your drink. The offer for s'mores still stands.

Skyraiders
05-30-2013, 08:46 AM
There must be a point to this thread, surely.
I just can't figure it out yet. I'll kee trying though.

Judging by the title, it should be an MoC hang out platform

This thread is obviously about hackers???? you do give the impression that you are smart enough to figure that out. As for an MoC hangout...dont hate because we as a group are very vocal about hackers. We want the game to be fair!! FOR EVERYONE!!!


I am the proud member of a 60 member guild and i am not oblivious to those points.
:)


this quote explains everything!! I am glad you are a proud hacker...er i mean in a hacker guild...er...i mean you are completely oblivious about anything that happened before you got to the guild so there for i am not guilty .....i am just to naive.


hahaha l3lade2

my laptop was on and i was busy doing a few things away from it. My wife passes by and in a glance sees i had posted and tells me "Hey, someone replied to you, saying....(and she reads your reply)"
"is it someone with an image of a bunch crows?" i ask her

I often wonder if to get accepted in MoC, one needs to post over 35 times in forum about "hacker guilds" or whether once you are in MoC, you are required to come back and contribute nothing but talking about "hacker guilds"
If one was to just follow your and your alliance members posts in forums, he/she would get the impression that the only thing wrong with the game is the dozen or more guilds with 60 members.

Geez, imagine what your MoC internal forums read like, if all you talk about is "hacker guilds"
I have reported 3-4 hackers myself and i don't give a rat's rear about what you think and how strong you feel about my guild or me as it's member.
I have the honor and fortune to be playing alongside 50+ of the most ordinary, hard working and honest players i have met.
I do not support hackers. I support my fellow guild gem-spender whose money is as good as anyone's else out there.
And the reason i love my 60 member guild is that none of them is chasing drama and come to post here every day about the same thing over and over and over. They are gentlemen enough to make the point once, keep their head down and make little talk with each other rather than spend their game time to talk about other's fortune or misfortune.

Go to your profile - click search - count the number of posts you talk about "hacker guild" and amuse yourself

First you dont know what it is to be a member of our guild......regardless of what you say or think we are a family. Dont judge us because we are trying to do the right thing even if you are not. We and others on here in case you have not noticed (because you wear rose colored glasses and see nothing wrong with being in or associated with a hacker guild) are willing to voice their opinions. If you dont like it ...dont read it....you however are free to comment on it anyway you see fit. We all know that you are guily by association by your own addmission.....so whatever you have to say we will take with a grain of salt........Have a great day SIR...and good luck!!

klevito
05-30-2013, 08:48 AM
Almost 10% of your total posts on this forum have been in this thread trying to justify your position. *insert chortle here*

aha, another wrong conclusion there.

of the previous 4 posts, 1 was me stating i am a member of a 60-guild
another one was me correcting you on making me the owner of words i didn't type.

"justify" and " my position" are two words leading to a conclusion far from being relevant to what i have posted so far.
Do you work for a gossip magazine?

Kjctnorris
05-30-2013, 08:53 AM
aha, another wrong conclusion there.

of the previous 4 posts, 1 was me stating i am a member of a 60-guild
another one was me correcting you on making me the owner of words i didn't type.

"justify" and " my position" are two words leading to a conclusion far from being relevant to what i have posted so far.
Do you work for a gossip magazine?
The tactics of someone with a lost cause - point out the minor details that are irrelevant to the crux of the discussion.

And I only do part time work for gossip magazines.

Usmcfrost
05-30-2013, 09:00 AM
If you check everyone in the top guilds I am sure they have a couple hackers in them. They have to. There is no way anyone would spend that much money on this stupid game. Fun rk and the rest. All hacker guilds

l3lade2
05-30-2013, 09:02 AM
Edit: content deleted, easier to add to ignore list

yaz
05-30-2013, 10:15 AM
I find this halarious, that people continue to debate hackers. I am thinking of starting a new guild, I think I will name it "The hackers Guild" That should stir up all of you for another 100 posts. I will stop buying gems and use the savings to buty a new ipad, jail break it, and get all the free gems and $$$ I could ever want.
When are you going to come to the realization that you are spending real money on a stupid game that in the end gets you nothing. If your panties are all notted up over hackers, go some where else and play another game. Is anyone in this thread complaining over the age of 13, I cant believe so...

mee notyou
05-30-2013, 10:39 AM
Even max iph does not yield half what I make raiding good day 5mil+ bad day nothing.

Very interested to see your number of raids and lvl. I have made a couple million in a day raiding all day long (was much easier before guilds came online). Please, post a screen shot of your profile and show your 50k raid wins and lvl 200 from all that experience gained.

mee notyou
05-30-2013, 10:48 AM
I find this halarious, that people continue to debate hackers. I am thinking of starting a new guild, I think I will name it "The hackers Guild" That should stir up all of you for another 100 posts. I will stop buying gems and use the savings to buty a new ipad, jail break it, and get all the free gems and $$$ I could ever want.
When are you going to come to the realization that you are spending real money on a stupid game that in the end gets you nothing. If your panties are all notted up over hackers, go some where else and play another game. Is anyone in this thread complaining over the age of 13, I cant believe so...

And this post completely sums up why Gree should care and take immediate action to fix this problem

yaz
05-30-2013, 11:26 AM
Let me guess, your 12 and daddy gives you an allowence to play this game all day, do u live in the basement as well??

Chups
05-30-2013, 11:49 AM
Nice! Posters who have crows in them are known as reporters of Hackers! Who else are annoyed by this except for hackers or posters involved in a hacker guilds.

Ratma2001
05-30-2013, 04:21 PM
I find this halarious, that people continue to debate hackers. I am thinking of starting a new guild, I think I will name it "The hackers Guild" That should stir up all of you for another 100 posts. I will stop buying gems and use the savings to buty a new ipad, jail break it, and get all the free gems and $$$ I could ever want.
When are you going to come to the realization that you are spending real money on a stupid game that in the end gets you nothing. If your panties are all notted up over hackers, go some where else and play another game. Is anyone in this thread complaining over the age of 13, I cant believe so...

Obviously you dont understand the situation !, maybe due to the fact the you fall into the above case !
Gree relies on "Paying Customers" to gain revenue! plain and simple, if this game is over taken by the undiseriable then players will not put Real Money into it, Gree loose revenue, why have something that looses money ! (you may like this approach) , then they have all the "Paying" players leave cause of H/C ...Gree send you message "GAME OVER" everyone looses, open your eyes and look past your own selfish indulgence of why people post about such things and are passionate about the game !
But for you to talk about starting a new Guild with the same selfish tactics most are trying to squash YOU are no better than the rest of the Rougues !

VileDoom
05-30-2013, 04:44 PM
Let me guess, your 12 and daddy gives you an allowence to play this game all day, do u live in the basement as well??

Please continue amusing yourself. It doesn't take a psychology degree to spot a troll, especially one that's very poor at the trade.

Skyraiders
05-30-2013, 04:46 PM
obviously you dont understand the situation !, maybe due to the fact the you fall into the above case !
Gree relies on "paying customers" to gain revenue! Plain and simple, if this game is over taken by the undiseriable then players will not put real money into it, gree loose revenue, why have something that looses money ! (you may like this approach) , then they have all the "paying" players leave cause of h/c ...gree send you message "game over" everyone looses, open your eyes and look past your own selfish indulgence of why people post about such things and are passionate about the game !
But for you to talk about starting a new guild with the same selfish tactics most are trying to squash you are no better than the rest of the rougues !

ttttthhhhhhaaaannnnkkkkkk. Yyyyooooouuuuuu!!!!

klevito
05-30-2013, 05:53 PM
Nice! Posters who have crows in them are known as reporters of Hackers! Who else are annoyed by this except for hackers or posters involved in a hacker guilds.

It's like that dude in the sidewalk during busy hours on a busy street holding a poster saying "NO RACISM".
At first, you respect the protester and show some support even. Although you have your doubts about the effect of such a move. He gets in the face of people rushing to get somewhere and slows you down, with his wandering, but you don't mind him.
And the guy is there tomorrow and the day after and so on dayin, day out. Then his buddy and another join, making the sidewalk virtually not a place you looking forward to pass. It slows down traffic and becomes an annoyance.

No, "Mr. simple-minded" being annoyed by the protester's action does not make me a racist. Do you belong to the category of people who believe anyone from africa is black? Are you that guy in the interview who pointe N.Korea next to Australia in the map of countries without names?
:)

rsd007
05-30-2013, 05:59 PM
those are my list among top 50
Ultimate Kingdoms
Supreme Kingdoms
Kingdom Of Heaven
Dyno's Dragons
Holland1
King's Gate III (KG3)

Mr Painite
05-30-2013, 07:14 PM
The following guilds had 50 or more members unlocked before the first battle:

Dragon Lords (60)
Hogsmeade (60)
King's Gate III (KG3) (60)
Ultimate Kingdoms (60)
Approaching Storm (60)
Holland1 (60)
United As One (60)
Fr Ali (60)

Night Walkers Guild (58)

FORUM UNITED NATION (56)
Dragon Warriors (56)
Kingdom Of Heaven (56)

Royal Knights (54)
The Force (54)
Drandmir (54)
Reign of Dragons (54)

The Assassins Guild (52)

Might ILKnights (50)
Zaxxon (50)
~ Fire & Blood ~ (50)
Hunter's Realm (50)

Jailbroken
05-30-2013, 07:41 PM
I don't have it in front of me at the moment.. But saw 4-5 hacker guild during last war. Makes me feel good that we beat some of them. With using limited gems and having key members away for Mamorial Day..

Sir Jailbroken
Kingdom Killers

P.S. Think/Hoping! Gree is on top of this... 2 server down times today.. Rivals list is looking strange though now. But will save that for a different tread :)

JuliusGulius
05-31-2013, 12:24 AM
I found this guild at 56 earlier today (without the stars). They hit 60 already? Or is this a different guild with the stars?

Colony Colonel accused us of having 60 members just yesterday, too. We do indeed have only 56. We do not hack. Is it common practice around here to point the finger at someone and falsely accuse them with such conviction? How do you decide who to accuse; do you flip a coin? Or do you use more sophisticated tomfoolery, like say, "Pin the Tail on the Donkey?" If the latter, I want to play. I think my odds are good, as there seems to be more than one ass.

I would love, love, love to see those screenshots mentioned.

BadNews
05-31-2013, 01:10 AM
Colony Colonel accused us of having 60 members just yesterday, too. We do indeed have only 56. We do not hack. Is it common practice around here to point the finger at someone and falsely accuse them with such conviction? How do you decide who to accuse; do you flip a coin? Or do you use more sophisticated tomfoolery, like say, "Pin the Tail on the Donkey?" If the latter, I want to play. I think my odds are good, as there seems to be more than one ass.

I would love, love, love to see those screenshots mentioned. I think you guys are not hacking, but you guild original founder TheOneAndOnly was banned. I still have the screenshot. lol basically, you guys got 56 spots and lots of guild bouns for free.

Ranga
05-31-2013, 01:25 AM
I am the proud member of a 60 member guild and i am not oblivious to those points.
:)

Real players with real smarts will always beat you buddy. Hacker guilds can't make up for your own stupid self. The only hacker guild out there that can honestly beat The Dark Knights is FUN. Enjoy your oblivious lunchtime. Must be nice to be so ignorant

JuliusGulius
05-31-2013, 01:28 AM
I think you guys are not hacking, but you guild original founder TheOneAndOnly was banned. I still have the screenshot. lol basically, you guys got 56 spots and lots of guild bouns for free.

Thank you! I guess that explains the suspicion. Well, whoever that dude was, he's long gone. We earn our bonuses slowly, with hard work. I've only been a member of this guild for 2 wars now, but I was present for the last member bonus upgrade (therefore, no, we didn't get 56 spots for free), and had former guildmates serving as members before I joined them. We are 3/5 for health bonuses. Going all the way back to the beginning, well I couldn't testify there. If the guy was banned, he probably deserved it.

Almost There
05-31-2013, 03:14 AM
I think you guys are not hacking, but you guild original founder TheOneAndOnly was banned. I still have the screenshot. lol basically, you guys got 56 spots and lots of guild bouns for free.

Gree banned someone? How do you know this? If it is true that they ban hackers then at least there is progress. Maybe 60 member guilds will be next? Can you send me proof of the banning..that would make me believe you and feel better. Everyone says Gree doesn't do anything so I would need proof to believe you. Sorry no offense I'm sure you are an honest guy

BadNews
05-31-2013, 02:55 PM
Gree banned someone? How do you know this?

old topic, check his gold, ZERO and never moved again.

Almost There
06-01-2013, 06:17 AM
old topic, check his gold, ZERO and never moved again.

Old topic? Your post was only a day ago. When someone is banned their gold is reset to zero? Why wouldn't the account just be deleted? I've seen only a couple players with zero gold but then later I see them again and they have gold again. I thought they were just on vacation. So you're saying someone can come back from a ban?

Ed_Radley
06-01-2013, 08:37 AM
Well, if you search for his account on here, he's listed as banned. That was around the time he accused Winstol of cheating for having 1000+ of the new honor units with screen shots as proof. Winstol was banned on here for a while too but I think his account is active again.

mee notyou
06-01-2013, 12:38 PM
Well, if you search for his account on here, he's listed as banned. That was around the time he accused Winstol of cheating for having 1000+ of the new honor units with screen shots as proof. Winstol was banned on here for a while too but I think his account is active again.

I may be mistaken, but I do not believe getting banned here on the forum does means you are banned in the game and vic-a-vic. I know I got temp banned here for three days but was still playing the game.

ezinap
06-01-2013, 01:22 PM
From someone's wall:
OUR GUILD IS MAXED OUT !!!! Top 75 guild! All bonuses have been bought, we have over 400,000,000 gold in the bank. NO NEED TO DONATE EVER. We have nothing left to spend it on anyway so YOUR GOLD IS NO USE TO US. Keep all your gold and just use it to grow which is real easy with all our bonuses. Most of our members have doubled their stats in a week and have already finished the trial quest, which is easy with all our bonuses. YOU WILL FIND NO BETTER GUILD. All we ask is that you are active in war and your over 200k attack / defence . To be the best you have to get with the best! 859 389 301


My list:
60 859389301 Daddy Chubbs

l3lade2
06-01-2013, 01:39 PM
I may be mistaken, but I do not believe getting banned here on the forum does means you are banned in the game and vic-a-vic. I know I got temp banned here for three days but was still playing the game.

Correct, one has no impact on the other.

mee notyou
06-01-2013, 04:13 PM
From someone's wall:
OUR GUILD IS MAXED OUT !!!! Top 75 guild! All bonuses have been bought, we have over 400,000,000 gold in the bank. NO NEED TO DONATE EVER. We have nothing left to spend it on anyway so YOUR GOLD IS NO USE TO US. Keep all your gold and just use it to grow which is real easy with all our bonuses. Most of our members have doubled their stats in a week and have already finished the trial quest, which is easy with all our bonuses. YOU WILL FIND NO BETTER GUILD. All we ask is that you are active in war and your over 200k attack / defence . To be the best you have to get with the best! 859 389 301

Anyone who has ever argued that hacked guilds don't provide its guild members a substantial advantage, take note...I do not see how anyone can argue that hackers and hacked guilds do not infringe upon honest players and honest guilds.

Nacon10
06-01-2013, 04:26 PM
hahahahahahahahhaha this is awesome. who cares really ? they can hack all the gold they want. they wont ever touch top 10 .

Sirius
06-01-2013, 04:50 PM
Please provide as much information as you can folks when reporting these guys to support (screen shots, invite codes etc). All reports get investigated and are taken seriously.

We appreciate the involvement many of you have taken in hunting down cheaters and reporting them to us.

Thanks!

~Sirius

(CCK) Cam
06-01-2013, 04:56 PM
From someone's wall:
OUR GUILD IS MAXED OUT !!!! Top 75 guild! All bonuses have been bought, we have over 400,000,000 gold in the bank. NO NEED TO DONATE EVER. We have nothing left to spend it on anyway so YOUR GOLD IS NO USE TO US. Keep all your gold and just use it to grow which is real easy with all our bonuses. Most of our members have doubled their stats in a week and have already finished the trial quest, which is easy with all our bonuses. YOU WILL FIND NO BETTER GUILD. All we ask is that you are active in war and your over 200k attack / defence . To be the best you have to get with the best! 859 389 301They should battle FUN.

Mr Painite
06-01-2013, 07:00 PM
Please provide as much information as you can folks when reporting these guys to support (screen shots, invite codes etc). All reports get investigated and are taken seriously.

We appreciate the involvement many of you have taken in hunting down cheaters and reporting them to us.

Thanks!

~Sirius

You say that all reports are taken seriously but we have half a dozen guilds that have had 60 members unlocked for over 2 months and are still gaining an advantage over legitimate guilds and their members.

FUN and RK not only have placed 1 and 2 in every battle (biggest spenders), but they have the kingdoms with the greatest potential for raiding and the highest IPHs; yet they only have 58 and 56 members, respectively. Are we supposed to believe that these other guilds legitimately raised 2-3bil more than the biggest and best in the game, and in some cases months earlier?

Maybe you could give us a list of the top 10 gold donors in each guild (including those that have left the guilds) over 54 members, and how much they have donated, so we can celebrate their great raiding skills.

Tatum
06-01-2013, 08:43 PM
(CCK) Cam: I was reading through the posts about probable hacker guilds, and saw your copy of this guild invite (859-389-301). Just yesterday I got the same "invite" with this same number from a player, Brickhead, whom my guild uninvited immediately following Darhhome guild war for his obnoxious behavior. After we kicked him out, he began using both his KA accounts to post members numerous times, and the posts went from annoying to harassing.

In the post to me from May 31, he claimed the guild (859-389-301) was called "Sir Chriss" guild (sorry for bad grammar, it's his, not mine).

Many of us deleted the messages so that we could block him, leaving us with little in terms of screenshots to send KA. I have the guild invite, though, so I sent it with subject heading "Cheating" & screenshot to KA/ GREE Customer Service.

Has anyone else had trouble with "Brickhead," "Sir Chrisalot" (his other KA account, and with it he claims to be with guild "Daddy Chubbs") and/ or either of these guilds? I saw "Daddy Chubbs" (finished #80 in Darkhome) listed on a forum post as another hacker guild, so it all seems too coincidental.

If anyone else has problems with the same player/s and it's possible, please report him (or them) to GREE. Maybe it does no good to report hackers, but I'm keeping fingers crossed.

I realize there must be hundreds/ thousands of immature players out there, who in turn make the game less than fun. Too bad.

Thanks, Tatum

QUOTE=(CCK) Cam;795294]They should battle FUN.[/QUOTE]

ezinap
06-02-2013, 10:25 AM
Note that the poster is not immediately the hacker. He is probably just a parasite.
Gree however should check every guild that has all bonuses unlocked and/or hundreds of millions banked.

l3lade2
06-02-2013, 12:34 PM
hahahahahahahahhaha this is awesome. who cares really ? they can hack all the gold they want. they wont ever touch top 10 .

Er, already happened...

Ratma2001
06-02-2013, 03:37 PM
Please provide as much information as you can folks when reporting these guys to support (screen shots, invite codes etc). All reports get investigated and are taken seriously.

We appreciate the involvement many of you have taken in hunting down cheaters and reporting them to us.

Thanks!

~Sirius

But at the end of the day what happens ? nothing, when i played i myself reported players 1 after another with screen shots and I.D's and they still play, its O.K to say send us ALL the screenshots and stuff, WHY cant GREE just run a report on these !
It must be time consuming to run a report listing top Guilds with 60 PLayers ....but if the players provide this information , Then what ? Gree should Make a Show of Faith and prove to the players that they DO take Hackers/Cheaters out of the game !
The players put their showing cards on the table ...Gree should do the same...talk of these Guilds in top 10! with proof and screenshots...strip their winnings and move all the others up the ladder!
Show the people that GREE is Serious and not just words!

Col
06-02-2013, 07:36 PM
Who says these teams haven't used real money to buy Gold to get upgrades ..

and

This game along with all other Funzio / Gree games are just full of cheats ... Jail breaking IPhones , Cheating in Quests , and gold & gem cheats too.. I'd say all the top teams do these things !!

Just part of the Game ... If your silly enough to spend a heap of real money on the game , I suppose this may upset you ,, maybe you need a real life outside the games ............

E-I
06-03-2013, 06:13 AM
Not sure if it was mentioned, but Kingdom of Heaven has 60 players. I didn't see them in the first post.

Kusa
06-03-2013, 09:37 AM
Prob half the iPhones made are jailbroke.
I jail breaked mine about a week after I bought it.

This thread is pointless unless they actually fix the bugs/loop holes people are exploiting.

Almost There
06-04-2013, 02:55 AM
From someone's wall:
OUR GUILD IS MAXED OUT !!!! Top 75 guild! All bonuses have been bought, we have over 400,000,000 gold in the bank. NO NEED TO DONATE EVER. We have nothing left to spend it on anyway so YOUR GOLD IS NO USE TO US. Keep all your gold and just use it to grow which is real easy with all our bonuses. Most of our members have doubled their stats in a week and have already finished the trial quest, which is easy with all our bonuses. YOU WILL FIND NO BETTER GUILD. All we ask is that you are active in war and your over 200k attack / defence . To be the best you have to get with the best! 859 389 301

I've seen this too. I thought it was a guild called Ultimate Kingdoms but maybe I'm confusing it with another 60 member guild. There are so many of them!

Fokas
06-06-2013, 11:04 AM
So lets stop beating around the bush and make all guilds 60 members already.

I agree! There are way too many guilds out there with 60 members to find, investigate, and delete all of them. Just make every guild able to hold 60 members. Done and done.

Liethe
06-10-2013, 06:56 PM
926 023 057 drandmir

junkmail2013.1
06-11-2013, 02:27 AM
Please provide as much information as you can folks when reporting these guys to support (screen shots, invite codes etc). All reports get investigated and are taken seriously.

We appreciate the involvement many of you have taken in hunting down cheaters and reporting them to us.

Thanks!

~Sirius


Well said Sirius!!

We provided you with:
- a lot of 60-58 guilds invite codes
- a lot of tickets on hackers guilds
- a wall of shame https://sites.google.com/site/kingdomagewallofshame/ with some screenshots of hackers and 60-people guilds (more to come just before next war :-)

Now the ball is in your field!

What about disbanding the guilds that are clearly hackers (you know who they are!) just a second before next war? This will show that Gree is moving from word to facts and provide a fair punishment to them ...

The Greedy Anonymous
Please continue reporting hackers by sending emails to greedyanonymous@gmail.com we will post them on our wall of shame https://sites.google.com/site/kingdomagewallofshame/

PS: Gree, can you please un-ban my junkmail2013 account (apparently banned because I was too vocal on cheating). This junkmail 2013.1 sucks ;-)

TempusDA
06-11-2013, 04:43 AM
Based on past happenings with Gree , you will be safe along with ALL the other Guilds that have 60 members, just carry on as normal , enjoy you're 60 member group and all bonuses , this will help you get further in the game than most non-??????? Guilds , you get bett everything , regens, walls, so forth and so on, as it seems Gree dont do a thing in relation to these type of Guilds ! It's been proven time and time again and like an old recording it will be played time and time again!.
If Gree was serious about ALL these they would have done something by now, but they haven't and they don't want to!
Honestly how many reports does it take to get something done !?
Some go back to First war and still nothing done.....Sirius , you keep saying "Send in reports to support" and they will investigate ? Blatant mistrust if I've ever seen! It's turning into a Farse !
How many Forum member have posted that they have damning evidence on these Guilds and still nothing done !
Maybe The Forum Members should make a "Thread" on Reports sent to Support !
Let's see the results of those.

It will take a very public South Park episode touching on this and other hilarious things.

Maybe forum members making a funny youtube video till south park makes one hehe.

It will be funny at the least :)

Oretius1
06-11-2013, 08:25 AM
join us ,after each war we rank higher -among top 75 right now - Night Walkers Guild got 2 spots open
358719109 here is a guild code . We got 2 spots open and if you got more than 500k stats you are welcome

Tatum
06-11-2013, 12:33 PM
I sent GREE a "Cheating" post (per their instructions) with screenshot of the player who sent the invite to guild (859 389 301), a 60 member "we have everything already!" group, and his message. Just yesterday I got back the form GREE message "We hope your problem is resolved" by now. Well, no, and I'm very disappointed.

Ariakon
06-15-2013, 07:44 PM
Is it just my imagination or are there more 60 member guilds in the top 50 of this battle compared to priors?

Zenobia
06-15-2013, 10:50 PM
Is it just my imagination or are there more 60 member guilds in the top 50 of this battle compared to priors?
Every war there are more. Every war a larger percentage of the Top 10, Top 25, Top 50 are hac..., er, 60-member guilds. This will continue until all the Top 100 are these guilds, unless Gree changes their policy on them drastically.

E-I
06-16-2013, 07:23 AM
Holland - 58 members, level 10 wall when we played (albeit in the first battle on Friday).

One member is particularly suspicious... Mama Bear, Level 2, 1 Ally. Probably just a coincidence though, right?

:p

jonny0284
06-16-2013, 08:11 AM
One member is particularly suspicious... Mama Bear, Level 2, 1 Ally. Probably just a coincidence though, right?

:p

I'm thinking of starting yet another account just to investigate said player.

Why on Earth would a high member Guild recruit a level 2 player? Suspicious isn't even the word. If they were vying for a spot in Top 10, 25 or even 50 there is no way a Guild would waste a spot.

Yes, w-a-s-t-e. Unless of course that player offered something of worth. And, at level 2...that's not much.

Amandegrillée
06-16-2013, 09:07 AM
I'd like to add : Legion of Legends as a 60 members guild.

TempusDA
06-16-2013, 12:57 PM
2 possible reasons why a very low player would be in a high level guild.

1) was an open spot people were told they could bring in their llp to gain some fast stats instead of letting a spot go empty. I personally told a guild I was leading once just before the war if anyone wanted to bring their LLP in they could but when people started applying LLPs would have to start dropping out to make room for new members.

2) Another reason to bring in a LLP especially one as low as level 1 or 2 or 5, is to use them to declare inactive wars in hopes of drawing a weak guild you can sponge points off of on failed attacks. Anyone attacking a level 1 or 2 isn't gonna get much points unless the rival is of the same level or lower.

I am not gonna speculate one what you folks are discussing but just wanted to answer the, why any guild would part.

E-I
06-16-2013, 01:14 PM
Even if you wanted to add a low level player for the reasons you cited, why take a level 2 player? Playing the game for 15 minutes would get you to level 2. If someone had played with that account at all it would have to be higher than level 2.

TempusDA
06-16-2013, 01:34 PM
Even if you wanted to add a low level player for the reasons you cited, why take a level 2 player? Playing the game for 15 minutes would get you to level 2. If someone had played with that account at all it would have to be higher than level 2.

Ever consider maybe that's what the LLP was at, at the time the LLP was brought in?

It would be one thing if a level 2 player was spitting out 9900 gold non stop or had 300K/300k stats.

But having a level 2 or even a level 1 in the guild especially if it doesn't spit out 9,900 gold or have ridiculous stats for that level is not so bizarre. In fact it is a strategy.

When unsure about something bringing up the situation is one thing but bringing a name into a situation that is unclear that could lead to an accusation is not cool especially if it turns out to be nothing, damage done. Imagine being on the other side especially if you are innocent.

There is to be no flaming in the threads, I think throwing unclear thoughts verging on accusation is worse than flaming in my eyes.

I've seen some posts that seem pretty founded but I have seen a hell of a lot more where people are pointing fingers on assumptions with no proof.

IF you really want to support the cause I think trying to contribute to a solution is much more effective.

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?57774-Gree-and-any-moderators-that-may-be-watching.-Just-a-Suggestion-on-Gold-and-Honor/page2

jonny0284
06-16-2013, 01:52 PM
Tempus, while I can see this argument from your side. Let's pose some observations for the other side, too?

Who's going to check the stats of the level 2 player? There is too far a gap to see their stats. AND in Guild wars you do not get to see the players' profile.

While too many people already have their device loaded with an account, it's apparent that they won't have another to load another KA game and find said player.

Seems like a perfect crime, eh?

Taking it a step further:

Player doesn't drop 9,900 Gold. Player doesn't have extraordinary IPH. Player has no obvious signs of anything suspicious because they've donated the only thing they can. In this situation, hacked Gold.

Now, I ask you, what is the strategy of a level 2 player in a Top <50 Guild?

This.

E-I
06-16-2013, 02:01 PM
But having a level 2 or even a level 1 in the guild especially if it doesn't spit out 9,900 gold or have ridiculous stats for that level is not so bizarre. In fact it is a strategy.

Tempus, how many top 50 guilds have you played against? Almost every guild I have fought will fall into the top 50. I can tell you that it is extremely bizarre to see a level 2 player in a top 50 guild. In four wars this is the only time I have seen it.

rdow
06-16-2013, 02:05 PM
Whats the reason? i dont understand, is it hackers?

jonny0284
06-16-2013, 02:13 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkhz1i3bc61qf38uno1_500.gif

TempusDA
06-16-2013, 02:16 PM
Tempus, while I can see this argument from your side. Let's pose some observations for the other side, too?

Who's going to check the stats of the level 2 player? There is too far a gap to see their stats. AND in Guild wars you do not get to see the players' profile.

While too many people already have their device loaded with an account, it's apparent that they won't have another to load another KA game and find said player.

Seems like a perfect crime, eh?

Taking it a step further:

Player doesn't drop 9,900 Gold. Player doesn't have extraordinary IPH. Player has no obvious signs of anything suspicious because they've donated the only thing they can. In this situation, hacked Gold.

Now, I ask you, what is the strategy of a level 2 player in a Top <50 Guild?

This.

What I am saying if you don't have proof don't throw names around.

If a person is curious about seeing a level 2 player that looks suspicious attack them in the war and find out. If you attack and its not dropping golden eggs non stop and doesn't have ridiculous stats then whats the point of bringing it up.

Bottom line no proof leave names out of it, not cool and uncalled for, definitely not the right things to do.

Jonny0284 How many times have you seen legitimate players or guilds get wrongfully accused that you knew for certain was not hacker or using hacked gold. I think you get my drift here. IF a person does not know for certain, bring up the situation sure but leave the names out. IF someone wants to investigate can maybe PM for a bit more info but I think public witch hunts need to stop. Deff not cool for people that may be inocent being accused of something they didnt do.

Get my drift here?

I told you the strategy for level 2. I have done before wasn't exactly level 2 cant remember the exact level it was a fresh one. The second War or third war. The point is we specifically wanted to use the very low level to get weaker guilds for inactive wars.

Discus the situation leave the names out that is all I am saying if you got the need to go further hey can always use PM right?

jonny0284
06-16-2013, 02:23 PM
I haven't once dropped a name. But, hey? Who's fact checking?

I'm throwing out a reasonable assumption on a generalized basis.


If a person is curious about seeing a level 2 player that looks suspicious attack them in the war and find out. If you attack and its not dropping golden eggs non stop and doesn't have ridiculous stats then whats the point of bringing it up.

It's suspect is all. Because that means a Top vying Guild has a player in their ranks, who is doing nothing for them to stay afloat in their rankings and is going to earn incredible prizes for doing nothing and then can decimate in the lowest ranks. Do you see the trickle down effect here?

Riley88
06-16-2013, 02:30 PM
I am from Holland 1. I can assure you that none of our players are hack players. We all work very hard for what we have. Any of you want to come to our guild and investigate you can.

As for the level 2 player one of our members has started another character. We brought that character in to be a mega attacker to take out the guardian.

TempusDA
06-16-2013, 02:32 PM
I haven't once dropped a name. But, hey? Who's fact checking?

I'm throwing out a reasonable assumption on a generalized basis.



It's suspect is all. Because that means a Top vying Guild has a player in their ranks, who is doing nothing for them to stay afloat in their rankings and is going to earn incredible prizes for doing nothing and then can decimate in the lowest ranks. Do you see the trickle down effect here?

Jonny would actually like to apologies if you thought or it came across as me saying you were doing this was't my intent at all.

I was not hammering your comment, as I said nothing is wrong about talking about a situation that's fine. The big thing I was pointing out and if you go up a name was mentioned with that speculation and that in my book no matter how you turn it or flip it around is wrong.

I was not saying that you did this as it is clear you didn't.

I was saying that people should not be doing that. Not that you should not be doing that. I don't think I have ever seen you mention a name to a situation in that way. What I am talking about are the people that do.

If you scroll up you can see that a name was mentioned by another person. You can see what I mean.

People should be able to discuss suspicious activity or what the signs are, I just thinks names should be left out of it publicly.

Phoenix81
06-16-2013, 03:21 PM
I'd like to add : Legion of Legends as a 60 members guild.

I'd like to assure you Legion of Legends is a hard working guild that has gruelingly fought to get where we are with the help of 56 members not 60. Please feel free to come investigate anytime. Thanks for a fun game Gree, but can you fix the problems instead of feeding into witch hunts :) have a great Father's Day to all the dads out there!!

Steph1023
06-16-2013, 03:49 PM
So many ignorant people spreading misinformation. I can also vouch for holland1 and legion of legends as hard working guilds that have earned our place in these wars. For all you people that doubt us and question our strategy and tactics, I hope you choke on your haterade!! ;-)

Mr Painite
06-16-2013, 03:56 PM
I am from Holland 1. I can assure you that none of our players are hack players. We all work very hard for what we have. Any of you want to come to our guild and investigate you can.

As for the level 2 player one of our members has started another character. We brought that character in to be a mega attacker to take out the guardian.


I'd like to assure you Legion of Legends is a hard working guild that has gruelingly fought to get where we are with the help of 56 members not 60. Please feel free to come investigate anytime. Thanks for a fun game Gree, but can you fix the problems instead of feeding into witch hunts :) have a great Father's Day to all the dads out there!!


So many ignorant people spreading misinformation. I can also vouch for holland1 and legion of legends as hard working guilds that have earned our place in these wars. For all you people that doubt us and question our strategy and tactics, I hope you choke on your haterade!! ;-)

Can we see a screenshot of your top donators? Surely we would all recognize their names because of their massive IPHs and proclivity for raiding.

emcee
06-16-2013, 04:02 PM
Level 2 is not an issue in a guild as some guilds are creating low level monsters. However, it is a costly venture; just not so much for 60 member teams.

Having a level 2 or low level in any guild is not an issue. The main issue is still IMO guilds with over 54 members as its super expensive to unlock.

The_Legend_Shall_Live_On
06-16-2013, 04:14 PM
So many ignorant people spreading misinformation. I can also vouch for holland1 and legion of legends as hard working guilds that have earned our place in these wars. For all you people that doubt us and question our strategy and tactics, I hope you choke on your haterade!! ;-)


I'd like to assure you Legion of Legends is a hard working guild that has gruelingly fought to get where we are with the help of 56 members not 60. Please feel free to come investigate anytime. Thanks for a fun game Gree, but can you fix the problems instead of feeding into witch hunts :) have a great Father's Day to all the dads out there!!

The point is not what is currently happening. In fact, no names should be discussed anyway due to violation of the Forum Guidelines.

The point being brought up is how the guilds started - within weeks to a month of Guilds starting, 56 - 60 member guilds were coming up out of nowhere. The only way the guilds could have gotten as many accessible members (and all the bonuses beforehand), is through unethical means or tens of thousands of US dollars spent specifically on gold. Someone did the math earlier. I think it even came out to an excess of $100,000 USD needing to be spent.

There really shouldn't be a debate as to what the current guild roster is doing or how hard the members are working right now. I'm sure most or all are working your butts off to do good.

But no matter what the current roster is doing or is capable of, no matter how hard you guys are working right now, it will still not justify or excuse how the guild got to 56 - 60 members in the first 4 - 6 weeks or so. And that is what is causing upset. "what's done is done" doesn't apply to the programming world of code. You can change it, which is what is being asked.

And if anyone is saying you and your guilds aren't hard working right now, I, too, would point out that they probably don't know what they are talking about. It's the means to the end of having 56 - 60 members that they have a right to talk about and disagree with.

Riley88
06-16-2013, 04:36 PM
If names should not be said then why is my guild and legion of legands being named?


When most of our members came in the guild already had all the bonuses. How it got that way I do not care. There is no hack in our guild. We have sent numerous tickets to Gree explaining our situation since our guild name has first been brought up in this thread. They have not done nothing. So we have attempted to fix the problem. We even asked for Gree to take away some of the bonuses

So instead of people rudely insulting guilds on this thread I think it would be best if you discuss the situation

The_Legend_Shall_Live_On
06-16-2013, 04:51 PM
@Riley

What if Gree comes back and says, after careful investigation, the number of members and bonuses achieved was done through means of cheating, thanks you for pointing it out and cuts everything back to 42 members and takes away the bonuses that would be gained for after that amount of members unlocked?

Riley88
06-16-2013, 04:56 PM
If Gree does that then its fine. It's what we asked for. And we will just do what we do best, work hard

Riley88
06-16-2013, 05:05 PM
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To: whom it may concern,
I have been playing KA for over a year now. Within the first couple months I had seen the hack preformed on YouTube. I contacted gree and asked about the hack. You assured me that the hack did not exist. I left the guild I created and had joined a different guild. The guild had all the bonuses. Once gree updated the guild page to include donations, I noticed that the founder had donated all the gold. I did the math and figured it would be an astronomical amount of actual money. I sent another ticket asking how can you tell if someone is a hacker? I received gree's auto reply about being to busy to answer me. Since then the founder left due to no longer being able to hack. They left it to a member who lasted a war and handed the guild to me. I am wondering the best course of action? Will anything happen to my guild or myself? The hacker is no longer in the guild and we have become very close. If I would have known in the first place I would have never left the guild I had founded. I would still be a founder of a legit guild with most of the bonuses. I would like to continue being founder of my present guild. The hacked one but I want our names cleared. There is a lot of talk about the hacker guilds but none of us are hackers. I along with the rest of my group have worked very hard and have spent a lot of actual money to get where we are. It is not fair to make us start over from scratch and it is not fair to be dis banded. None of us had anything to do with it. Please help me and my fellow guildmates. I would be willing to sacrifice 3 member bonuses to clear us from the 60 member guild list. I would also like to change the name of the guild. Thank you for your time and again please help. We are innocent. I will give you all my members id's you can check all their purchase histories as well as mine to see none of us have hacked. Please help please help please help

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Ratma2001
06-16-2013, 05:10 PM
If Gree does that then its fine. It's what we asked for. And we will just do what we do best, work hard

At least you and your members are open and prepaired to adjust if Gree takes action and thats up to them, as long as you have stated your case which you have and appreciate your post in regards to this matter, good to see you are working on loosing the title of previous leaders.

The_Legend_Shall_Live_On
06-16-2013, 05:24 PM
If Gree does that then its fine. It's what we asked for. And we will just do what we do best, work hard


At least you and your members are open and prepaired to adjust if Gree takes action and thats up to them, as long as you have stated your case which you have and appreciate your post in regards to this matter, good to see you are working on loosing the title of previous leaders.

Sounds fair to me.

E-I
06-16-2013, 06:11 PM
Screenshot wont do you any good. Gree needs to investigate. They can just remove/re-add hackers.

TempusDA
06-16-2013, 06:11 PM
If names should not be said then why is my guild and legion of legands being named?


When most of our members came in the guild already had all the bonuses. How it got that way I do not care. There is no hack in our guild. We have sent numerous tickets to Gree explaining our situation since our guild name has first been brought up in this thread. They have not done nothing. So we have attempted to fix the problem. We even asked for Gree to take away some of the bonuses

So instead of people rudely insulting guilds on this thread I think it would be best if you discuss the situation

Which is what I was trying to get at with people. Without knowing what may be in process, what is going on and posbily not having all the facts it is deff not cool to mention names.

It is cool that you have been honest with Gree and reported the situation.

I don't think a guild should be dismantled completely, especially in situations where the guild has made honest attempts to report the situation and ask for a fair resolution.

Also why I wish people would stop mentioning names of guilds or players without knowing all the facts.

I appreciate your honesty and transparency of being so open with what happened to other players. You shouldn't have had to do that in the first place.

I offered a pretty fair resolution to Gree for this kind of situation where only the hacked gold amount is removed and the rest that was earned would be kept. Which I think is a completly fair way of handling it.

Honestly mentioning names I feel is a blatent and unjustified violation of forums rules.

People should focus thier attention on trying to get Gree to do something on the subject rather than runing around acusing people. It needs to end, and we need focus on the heart of the problem, stopping the hacks or at least put in measures where hacks can be detected, and the hacked accounts delt with. I think that is the first thing to focus on. This is going to take people working together in the kind of numbers Gree cannot ignore.

I have already mention the thread earlier on this post really hope people take a look at it and focus their energy on trying to get a resolution.

Riley you have acted honorably in myy books it's time for Gree to do something about this before it gets even more out of hand. If it doesn't get resolved even more hacked guilds are going to pop up, as the saying goes I am sure a lot of people are thinking " if you can't beat them might as well join them. " I have even seen the location of where to get the hacks disclosed in one persons attempt to acuse someone. Which i thought should be removed and asked for it to be removed.

This is where we should focus our attention.
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?57774-Gree-and-any-moderators-that-may-be-watching.-Just-a-Suggestion-on-Gold-and-Honor/page2

By the way Happy Fathers Day everyone.

Riley88
06-16-2013, 06:26 PM
Thank you guys. I just wanted to let you guys know our situation. Yes it was once a hacked guild but we are doing what we can to fix the situation.

But I understand that you guys do not like hack guilds but I would really appreciate if everyone would leave holland1 out of the accusations

E-I
06-16-2013, 07:13 PM
@Riley... Fair enough. Who was the previous hacker(s) in your guild? Do you know?

Bohemian
06-16-2013, 08:12 PM
U guys debate on these small fish, while the big fish who score 24 billion cp u dont see? Do the math, please.

aephlux
06-16-2013, 08:24 PM
U guys debate on these small fish, while the big fish who score 24 billion cp u dont see? Do the math, please.

24 billion conquest points? What are you talking about? I see the top guild at 24 million +. I dont think any guild has ever gotten a billion points.

The_Legend_Shall_Live_On
06-16-2013, 08:24 PM
U guys debate on these small fish, while the big fish who score 24 billion cp u dont see? Do the math, please.

Welcome to your first post on the forum.

That's not the topic of this discussion though; feel free to find the other threads that have already done the math over and over.

Also, no one has ever made 24 billion CP

Bohemian
06-16-2013, 09:54 PM
I like soccer like spain it has barca n madrid. Barca is very dominant, but madrid can steal one. Or in England there MU but City can steal one. Or German there Bayern but dortmunt steal one.
This i can see all the maps name will be. We are just a cheerleaders.
N it hits me, im not playing KA, im playing MONOPOLY.

Ps. Cant start a thread yet

Ratma2001
06-16-2013, 11:08 PM
I like soccer like spain it has barca n madrid. Barca is very dominant, but madrid can steal one. Or in England there MU but City can steal one. Or German there Bayern but dortmunt steal one.
This i can see all the maps name will be. We are just a cheerleaders.
N it hits me, im not playing KA, im playing MONOPOLY.

Ps. Cant start a thread yet

You need at least 10-12 post first , but not sure about all the soccer crap, you want the sports forum for that stuff

Riley88
06-17-2013, 07:57 AM
I do know who it was. But they were either banned or deleted their account

E-I
06-17-2013, 08:09 AM
That's okay. I realized after I asked that it would have been against forum rules for you to say anyway.

Amandegrillée
06-17-2013, 09:52 AM
Sorry if you took it the wrong way: the thread is about guild around 60 members..and a list of them
So I made a mistake, right you're not a 60 member guild..
Anyways, I did NOT say or wanted to IMPLY you're cheating or anything else...
And for that I apologize.


I'd like to assure you Legion of Legends is a hard working guild that has gruelingly fought to get where we are with the help of 56 members not 60. Please feel free to come investigate anytime. Thanks for a fun game Gree, but can you fix the problems instead of feeding into witch hunts :) have a great Father's Day to all the dads out there!!

Col
06-17-2013, 01:26 PM
I think it's abit far gone to worry about !!!
This happened months ago , get over it !!

If Gree wanted to do something about it , they should hav done it months ago ..
It's totally unfair to do anything to these guilds or players now , as many hav spent thousands of real money towards prises these guilds have obtained ...

Gree needs to stop the problem before it happens !!

Ratma2001
06-17-2013, 04:10 PM
I think it's abit far gone to worry about !!!
This happened months ago , get over it !!

If Gree wanted to do something about it , they should hav done it months ago ..
It's totally unfair to do anything to these guilds or players now , as many hav spent thousands of real money towards prises these guilds have obtained ...

Gree needs to stop the problem before it happens !!

Too late for that...as you can see we are rife with hackers/cheats Guilds with 60 members , so forth and so on, they let them stay cause it gives them revenue by legit players trying to stay above them, makes them spend more coin !
60 member guild very rare get in top 10 well never used to, but have all the attributes of the top Guilds, level 10 walls so you have to waste your hits on them thus getting lower CP and more members giving them an unfair advantage as they hit more often , so you have to increase your stats to keep away from them , but then again!
Maybe i should join 1 of these guilds ?? Because gree doesnt care and has never done !
its only when the members crack the sh1ts about certain players that they SAY they will investigate !
So go join that hacked guild you wont have anything done to you by gree !
Reap all the rewards that they get illegitamately !

E-I
06-17-2013, 04:38 PM
Hacker guilds buy level 10 walls, meaning you need to spend more gems. Why would Gree want to stop that? Its not like we are going to boycott.

TempusDA
06-18-2013, 10:02 AM
Hacker guilds buy level 10 walls, meaning you need to spend more gems. Why would Gree want to stop that? Its not like we are going to boycott.

Cause eventually people will get tired of spending money on gems to take down endless supplies of level 10 Walls. Boycott or not revenues will decrease slowly at first and then it will go down faster then revenues not just from war will go down but from the game cause more and more people will stop playing.

If they don't take action against hacks soon. Interests in the hacks will go up. The places selling hacks or member ship to the places providing the hacks will get more revenue, which would mean people will spend even more effort into creating the hacks.

The longer Gree takes the faster it will get worse. You can already see that after each war the amount of level 60 member guilds are reproducing like little rabbits gone wild.

In fact if they don't drop wars to 2 days there are already a lot of people getting burned out from 3 day wars. I have. It's become more of a chore that it is fun anymore doing a war.

The big question is Gree going to do a quick grab and dump the game or are they going to try to go for the long haul. If they do not reply by the end of the month to the Hack situation I'll consider that they are doing a quick snatch and dump and well I'll prob either stop playing all together or just not spend a single dime on the game.

Honestly I have more fun chatting with my guild and posting in the forums than I do playing the game these days.

My last ditch effort is the thread on hacked gold and honor see how many players care enough to reply and vote and the votes are deff growing good sign on the players side. Then it falls on if Gree is going to address the thread or not. Curious to see how many votes and how many days on the front page it will take before Gree replies to it. It's been on the first page since it was created on the 11th of June. The cool thing is they havent silenced it, so I am sincerely hoping that they are trying to decide how they are going to address it but are going to address it. LEt's hope aye :) 124 votes so far. Anyone want to add more votes to it, or replies :)

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?57774-Gree-and-any-moderators-that-may-be-watching.-Just-a-Suggestion-on-Gold-and-Honor