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Klassenr@hotmail.com
06-15-2013, 08:07 AM
Gree,
How about removing the option of having walls from the game? Truth is it mainly gives advantage to the... Ahem...'Unscrupulous players'. Everytime i see a level ten wall it angers me. Yes, we see them often.

Munseyspin
06-15-2013, 08:18 AM
Agree, it's bad enough having 60 member guilds.
But 60 member guilds with level 10 walls! This just means disadvantages the more ehhm, legitimate guilds.

EtreusDread
06-15-2013, 08:37 AM
On the positive side, it easily identifies "guilds who don't need money". Their members are also often overvaulted, because they have nothing to do with their money, since they don't need to donate and can't multi-upgrade buildings. They advertise as "all bonuses unlocked! no donations needed! just give us your stones for our L10 walls".

Those guilds (with full energy boosts for moving faster in the LTQ and full health regen boost for the boss events and war) are pushing legitimate guilds (who don't pay for more than mid-level walls because they still have to buy bonuses) out of the top spots they've held for several wars. So anger-inducing.

One actually told me "We had someone quit, sell everything and donate 100Million, that's how we got all the bonuses". Meanwhile, you can't even buy the 50th member bonus with 100 million, let alone the 60th one.

klevito
06-15-2013, 08:40 AM
Let's remove the concept of Defense Guardian also and this game will be left with less strategy than a Beer-pong game

TempusDA
06-15-2013, 08:40 AM
Yeah endless level 10 walls kinda suck a lot.

Maybe also check out his thread, as it also touches on the subject :)

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?57774-Gree-and-any-moderators-that-may-be-watching.-Just-a-Suggestion-on-Gold-and-Honor

Shluggy
06-15-2013, 09:16 AM
WALLS COULD PLAY A BIGGER ROLL.............

I've always thought it would be nice to get a small points bonus for actually winning the battle in the wars. It would put more incentive into the battles and also a small level of strategy. As health regen's would then play a bigger part. At the moment I'm thinking walls are pretty useless as they don't make any difference to the guild's points, just slows down the opposing team for a couple of seconds but if there was a point bonus for winning, walls would play a bigger part.
Anyway it's just an idea, I haven't seen anything on the forum asking Gree to add a bonus for winning, but maybe I missed it. Also I can only see mainly pro's in it, the only con I can see is it would help gem spenders more than free players. But then again not really because it's all relative as far as the rankings are concerned, the higher the guild, the more gem spenders they have etc. the battles seem pretty evenly matched to me.

IMO we need more strategy to the game not take stuff away!

alizainal
06-15-2013, 09:19 AM
Or GREE can cap the walls to level 5. I think every guild can afford that. Especially the, ehm, legitimate ones.

Skyraiders
06-15-2013, 11:46 AM
Walls would only be of use in a completely free war...no gems....but since that is not the case walls are useless

Klassenr@hotmail.com
06-15-2013, 02:37 PM
@Shluggy,
Quite the opposite my friend. Walls do have an impact on gem usage. Endless level ten walls mean those using gems to take them down are paying the price for 'unscrupulous players' ability to fund walls. However, giving me a big bonus in cp's for taking it down.... Now thats something that levels the playing field a little.

Munseyspin
06-15-2013, 02:44 PM
@klevito, did I see the word "strategy" in your post? Lol. Are you playing the same game?

Spydrax
06-15-2013, 02:58 PM
Incredible timing here! I just presented this thought to my guild last night: That I'm considering doing away with wall purchases as the more battles I watch these walls get crushed in moments, makes me think this:
If a guild we're fighting is capable of destroying our wall in less than 1 minute (30 seconds, whatever), and we're doing the same, then what's the point? We're standing toe to toe anyway.
If a guild we face doesn't clear the wall for say, 5 whole minutes or maybe even 10 (OMG!) then, we were going to beat them anyways and gaining more points is the desired outcome.
Sure, you'd like to hold your opponent down in points, but if you score more than them, this point becomes mute.
We're a solid top 75 guild so we're facing a rather wide range of opponents.
I've begun tracking wall time to assess post war.
60 level 5 walls costs roughly 17m and 2400 stones. Something to think about for sure.

VileDoom
06-15-2013, 03:04 PM
We've seen many 60 member guilds all with level 10 walls. Yes, these guilds are also in the top 25.


Sirius, care to address this issue?

Person
06-15-2013, 03:37 PM
We've seen many 60 member guilds all with level 10 walls. Yes, these guilds are also in the top 25.


Sirius, care to address this issue?

He, or at least Gree, undoubtedly can do something about it. But they won't.

I've given up on sending tickets about obvious hackers, Gree obviously thinks them legit. Unless you can prove they gem hack Gree won't do anything about them

Munseyspin
06-15-2013, 03:52 PM
Unfortunately I don't think they want to anything about them.

Level 10 walls cost gems to bring down=more gems spent=more money

60 member guilds= more points=more gems spent to beat=more money

So although removing 60 member guilds and removing walls would level the playing field, it would have a direct impact on profit.

Hence, therefore draw your own conclusions about the likely outcome.

VileDoom
06-15-2013, 04:28 PM
Unfortunately I don't think they want to anything about them.

Level 10 walls cost gems to bring down=more gems spent=more money

60 member guilds= more points=more gems spent to beat=more money

So although removing 60 member guilds and removing walls would level the playing field, it would have a direct impact on profit.

Hence, therefore draw your own conclusions about the likely outcome.

GREE games are the only ones I ever seen where the developer benefits from hacking. It leaves me to ponder the legalities of allowing such actions to continue.

Dirt road Joe
06-15-2013, 04:51 PM
Unfortunately I don't think they want to anything about them.

Level 10 walls cost gems to bring down=more gems spent=more money

60 member guilds= more points=more gems spent to beat=more money

So although removing 60 member guilds and removing walls would level the playing field, it would have a direct impact on profit.

Hence, therefore draw your own conclusions about the likely outcome.

Your right. Even when I hit the walls for max damage(4000) It still takes many hits. I see many of the top guilds with only level 1 or 2 walls, just to have something there.. But then out of nowhere a top 100 team comes in with 58-60 members and a level 10 wall and its very discouraging. Its very disappointing when you have to burn 100 Gems on a wall for 640 points, when those 16 Hits could have awarded us 4800 points instead.... Granted, its a very small number for some, but there are many members that their primary goal might be to take out walls and when a level 10 presents itself its very disappointing.
Usually along with a level 10 wall comes 60 members who are all 800K plus in stats. I guess recruiting comes easy when you have every upgrade unlocked...

Shluggy
06-15-2013, 05:03 PM
GREE games are the only ones I ever seen where the developer benefits from hacking. It leaves me to ponder the legalities of allowing such actions to continue.

Your kidding right?? Not about games but do you think Norton would exist if there weren't people developing computer viruses?? Because I think they would find it hard to sell their anti-virus products otherwise, JUST MY OPINION!!!!

E-I
06-15-2013, 05:23 PM
No way Gree is removing walls, hackers or not. The only reason walls are even in the game is because it encourages people to use gems to get player-hits afterwards. If hacker guilds are building level 10 walls, then it just means that the legit players will be spending more gems. Why would they want to get rid of that?

VileDoom
06-15-2013, 05:26 PM
Your kidding right?? Not about games but do you think Norton would exist if there weren't people developing computer viruses?? Because I think they would find it hard to sell their anti-virus products otherwise, JUST MY OPINION!!!!

And we have police departments because some individuals feel the need to rob and murder. Your point is?

Shluggy
06-15-2013, 05:47 PM
And we have police departments because some individuals feel the need to rob and murder. Your point is?

It was only an opinion. And that is exactly the point. If there was no crime in an absolute perfect world, we would have no need for police departments either, but that's kind of extreme don't you think? All I'm trying to say (and obviously very badly lol) is IMO hackers are good for Gree as we honest players spend more money to try beat them. So if there were no hackers, we wouldn't have to spend as much. I actually don't spend any more than i want to but I've heard this before on other posts. It's the honest players in the higher guilds like yourself that it affects the most.

Anyway, this thread is about walls not hackers, I'm sorry for helping to take it off topic.

jonny0284
06-15-2013, 05:55 PM
Anyway, this thread is about walls not hackers, I'm sorry for helping to take it off topic.

Nope, you're keeping it exactly in the direction it's headed.

Kjctnorris
06-15-2013, 05:56 PM
It was only an opinion. And that is exactly the point. If there was no crime in an absolute perfect world, we would have no need for police departments either, but that's kind of extreme don't you think? All I'm trying to say (and obviously very badly lol) is IMO hackers are good for Gree as we honest players spend more money to try beat them. So if there were no hackers, we wouldn't have to spend as much. I actually don't spend any more than i want to but I've heard this before on other posts. It's the honest players in the higher guilds like yourself that it affects the most.

Anyway, this thread is about walls not hackers, I'm sorry for helping to take it off topic.
Maybe I misread it on the first read (and not interested enough to read it again), but aren't the two of you in essence stating the same thing?

Skyraiders
06-15-2013, 10:50 PM
Seriously ....is there a discount on level ten walls....because we have run into a lot more than usuall .....it's like really why waste your gold on walls and not spend it on upgrades.....???? Never mind we already know the answer to that...