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Zenobia
07-25-2013, 05:49 PM
First, let me say this: if real life causes me to not log in to KA when my buildings are ready to collect, I fully deserve to have all those buildings raided. The thing is, I believe I deserve to be raided by a player of comparable or better stats. Not by one whose stats are grossly inferior.

Today as I worked very late, I believe a new record was set. I was raided by someone whose attack was SEVEN HUNDRED TWENTY THOUSAND less than my defense. Put another way, my defense stat was more than 50% higher than his attack. Now maybe some of you think that is cool. But think of it this way: if your stats are comparable to or better than mine and you are in my battle pool, that gold should have been YOURS.

So what is the point of me, and you who would raid me, spending real money building up good stats if someone grossly inferior takes the gold? How does everyone else feel about the game operating this way?

DrQ
07-25-2013, 06:22 PM
See I had something similar happen to me... Some dude with close to 60% difference attack me and took quite a bit. Yes I reacted like u did, occasionally still grumble about it.

I decided to try it... I hit someone insanely strong than I was... Took the manor after 4 hits, lost once.
Send in a ticket telling gree their hero strength, and all the added % ie alliance and wat not, the reduction in alliance.. IT'S ALL NONSENSE ...

Of course when I wrote to them I didn't expect them to reply and explain and give me a breakdown of how things work..
And that is one expectation they lived up to..

I quit upgrading building , still raid but there is no science or strategy to it anymore...

SAD DAY.. The game is dying...

King Ben
07-25-2013, 06:28 PM
From another perspective, this is a fair treatment cause you can raid someone stronger than you. Of course you must be prepared for the 'backlash' of that player hitting you with ease. In addition, this ensures that everyone runs a risk of gold being robbed if not collected in time, including THE strongest player whomever s/he is.

I do agree that diff of 700k plus is pushing it too far. This should be reduced ...

Shinazueli
07-25-2013, 06:31 PM
What kinda attack and defense skill points are involved? I've said all along that they're percentage based. The raw stat difference will only go up as the base stats go up. A good rule of thumb is anyone half your stats or above can raid you, easily.

And yes, there's little point in building stats at the moment. They're just going to be eclipsed by exponential growth. That's why many have stopped spending. Why pay for something today that will be given out for free next month. Especially as you can see it adds nothing to protect you.

I've said as much in another thread, so I'll stop raining on your parade.

Edit : additionally, as they've added more than a few attack skill point bonuses... That percentage may even be lower. Nobody is safe. That's the real lesson.

Valid or
07-25-2013, 06:33 PM
Granted I do not have a mill+ in my stats. But I have been hit by people 300k less than me and scratch my head going huh. But I have noticed one can raid a building ver someone a lot higher in stats and win, but a direct attack ver someone a lot higher in stats and lose.

Shinazueli
07-25-2013, 06:34 PM
Granted I do not have a mill+ in my stats. But I have been hit by people 300k less than me and scratch my head going huh. But I have noticed one can raid a building ver someone a lot higher in stats than you and win, but a direct attack ver someone a lot higher in stats and lose.

That would matter pre1.13M-vault. Now it doesn't.

Rastlin
07-25-2013, 09:55 PM
Zenobia I agree! It is very frustrating! 100k difference I could understand...But the way it is now makes zero sense.

Mark SA
07-25-2013, 10:10 PM
What kinda attack and defense skill points are involved? I've said all along that they're percentage based. The raw stat difference will only go up as the base stats go up. A good rule of thumb is anyone half your stats or above can raid you, easily.


I would say that attack and defense point do not matter as you might think. I started off the game thinking they mattered and loaded up on them. I have gotten the +100 attack points items and mosters as well. I still lose battles that the other person has no business winning. It is a joke.

Gambit12
07-25-2013, 10:16 PM
I believe if you check someone profile stats, it showed his Raw stats. Let say for example you seeing him as 1M A/D stats. But when he check his own stats all the boosted bonus added to his stats such as, 20% infantry attack, 20% magic, machine, beast attack, plus the 3% alliance attack in his dozens of units that comes with it, plus other units with attack bonus, & also your attack skills helps too. These things will add up in his Attack stats & he's seeing more than his 1M Attack stats.

My Guild teammates seeing my stats 1,900k Raw attack & is 600k less than my boosted attack. That's why i don't like asking them my Raw attack anymore cause it is too low than my boosted attack:(:p.

I hope this info helps...:cool:

DrQ
07-25-2013, 10:47 PM
I believe if you check someone profile stats, it showed his Raw stats. Let say for example you seeing him as 1M A/D stats. But when he check his own stats all the boosted bonus added to his stats such as, 20% infantry attack, 20% magic, machine, beast attack, plus the 3% alliance attack in his dozens of units that comes with it, plus other units with attack bonus, & also your attack skills helps too. These things will add up in his Attack stats & he's seeing more than his 1M Attack stats.

My Guild teammates seeing my stats 1,900k Raw attack & is 600k less than my boosted attack. That's why i don't like asking them my Raw attack anymore cause it is too low than my boosted attack:(:p.

I hope this info helps...:cool:

Agreed with raw attack value and the bonuses added. But u forget one thing. All those attack and bonuses he has as well.
Meaning if Zenobia was at 1.7 million with bonuses, he was attacked by someone with a raw attk of 1 million with 700k being his bonuses, I can safely assume ( assumptions are mother of all screw ups ) the term 'way inferior' Zenobia used denotes that the person who raided him doesn't have all the units required to get that much boost in dmg.

My interpretation bonuses hero strength defense attack point don't make sense...especially if u lost to someone who has less bonus units that u have and is way inferior in att and def than u.

Is either that or Zenobia got whooped by some one with low stats and more bonus units than he has

Gambit12
07-25-2013, 11:17 PM
Agreed with raw attack value and the bonuses added. But u forget one thing. All those attack and bonuses he has as well.
Meaning if Zenobia was at 1.7 million with bonuses, he was attacked by someone with a raw attk of 1 million with 700k being his bonuses, I can safely assume ( assumptions are mother of all screw ups ) the term 'way inferior' Zenobia used denotes that the person who raided him doesn't have all the units required to get that much boost in dmg.

My interpretation bonuses hero strength defense attack point don't make sense...especially if u lost to someone who has less bonus units that u have and is way inferior in att and def than u.

Is either that or Zenobia got whooped by some one with low stats and more bonus units than he has

I think Zenobia is a female & you address her as He...:p:cool:

DrQ
07-25-2013, 11:27 PM
Oops... Ma bad... Apologies... Lol

Shinazueli
07-25-2013, 11:28 PM
Oops... Ma bad... Apologies... Lol

She's very fierce too, so you'll have to be very sorry.

Colony Colonel
07-25-2013, 11:59 PM
When you fight a player you attack their boosted stats. When you raid a player you fight against their unboosted stats - including defensive buildings if they are not close enough to your money buildings.

When you view a players profile you see their stats, I'm not sure if these are boosted or unboosted.

you have just said that your defense is around 1.9-2m boosted, now minus all of your defensive boosts from ALL guild wars etc... you are probably down to about 1.2-1.3m.

as you said that player has an attack of around 1.2-1.3m there is no doubt that they would not be able to raid you, especially if you take into account that they may have a very high attack skill due to boost units and skill points. You may also be seeing their unboosted stats so they could in fact be as strong as you are regardless.

Person
07-26-2013, 12:30 AM
You know the fun thing I found? You see partially boosted stats. I see procsy at 2.4m which I'm fairly certain is somewhere in between his in unboosted stats and his 2.6 boosted stats :)

Tigertiger55
07-26-2013, 01:40 AM
I asked a teammate for my raw stats and he quoted back my boosted stats exactly. I just don't know what's going on anymore

Person
07-26-2013, 01:46 AM
I asked a teammate for my raw stats and he quoted back my boosted stats exactly. I just don't know what's going on anymore
With Gree no one ever knows what's going on. And when you think you are beginning to understand Gree they pull a stunt like this

Proprioc3ption
07-26-2013, 02:31 AM
There is a rough estimate of 800,000 difference in attack points to defence to be successfully raided. If they are within that bracket then you'll have some trouble. The thing is GREE have allowed players who are so far behind in stats to hit players 800k stronger. They will eventually push it up above 1 million. RIDICULOUS!

Rocco69
07-26-2013, 03:52 AM
update 1.91 seems to have fixed the issue of not seeing others boosted stats.

Person
07-26-2013, 04:12 AM
Hmm tried hitting someone with 400k more def, took me 6 hits for his lvl 4 manor

Person
07-26-2013, 04:37 AM
I dont see the problem. It is a game where you are supposed to raid and attack opponents. What does it matter if you are raided. So you lose some gold. A few hours later you get some more. It seems some people are treating this more than a game which provides some fun when you have nothing else to do, or have I missed the point?

Lets say you have 1.2m def. if Zenobia and Hammers figures are correct and it works in absolute stats people with 400k attack can raid the **** out of you if they so choose. Most people on this thread don't mind being raided, as long is its done by people with roughly equal stats or vastly stronger.

DrQ
07-26-2013, 06:04 AM
I dont see the problem. It is a game where you are supposed to raid and attack opponents. What does it matter if you are raided. So you lose some gold. A few hours later you get some more. It seems some people are treating this more than a game which provides some fun when you have nothing else to do, or have I missed the point?

Ok frm what u wrote , I don't think you understood the content of the thread. If I had an attack of 10 and I attacked u , lets say def of 600k ( I m exaggerating to make a point ) and I win everytime, will u still write what u wrote. If so might as well not have any value to attack and defence. Hope this clears things for ya... Cheers

The Good Doctor
07-26-2013, 06:33 AM
I thought with the new update guild members see your boosted stats but others still only see I boosted.

Dr.Q. Your point earlier about Zenobia also having the same boosts, while likely true, doesn't change the fact that the difference is likely less than she saw. Zenobia knows what her actual stats are (which already includes boosts), she doesn't know what the opponents boosted stats are. So she saw a 700 k difference and in actuality it might only be 300k.

With that said, some of the stat gaps that people can hit is ridiculous.

Person
07-26-2013, 06:53 AM
Come to think of it, the only ones not benefitting from this are the absolute strongest. As just an average joe somewhere between 1 and 1.5m at lvl 141 I can hit virtually anyone and be raided by virtually anyone.