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KM KAge
09-08-2013, 06:12 PM
We are a top 200 guild, and have had a steady diet of top 75, with a number of top 25 appetizers.

Rastlin
09-08-2013, 06:21 PM
Well we are matching... oh never mind for some reason you don't want to hear from us...

KM KAge
09-08-2013, 06:51 PM
Actually, I read all of the MoC postings with great interest and amusement. For this round, the trials and tribulations of your helpings of FUN are well known and documented. This is our second series of wars where we have been badly mismatched. At least in this set of wars, our strongest player was not forced to hit the castle for points.

Hersh
09-08-2013, 06:58 PM
Horrendous!!!

Last war top 200 (152)

The first day of this war we maintained top 100. Ever since the ending of day one, 75%+ of our opponents have been top 25/50/75, 15% top 100, and 10% top 150-200 (all last war)

Coming from a top 300 guild recently, I am getting kinda pissed for:
1-having to hit lowbies, with over 900k attack at level 80, whereas previously I used to be able to smash on level 120s at level 70

And 2: getting robbed of all our damn wins/consecutives/ and our damn top 100 position!!!!
Our last 17 hours had better have better match ups, or I'm going to Gree hq!!!!


/frustrated (but still having fun with a great guild!)

Alexius
09-08-2013, 07:03 PM
Our matchups have been brutal. It will be a struggle to get to 500 and there's only a small chance of that even

Zenobia
09-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Actually, I read all of the MoC postings with great interest and amusement. For this round, the trials and tribulations of your helpings of FUN are well known and documented. This is our second series of wars where we have been badly mismatched. At least in this set of wars, our strongest player was not forced to hit the castle for points.
Sorry to hear it, KM. I feel for you.

If if makes you feel better, FUN was only the half of our troubles this war so far lol. But I'll shut up about us now and let everyone else share. :)

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09-08-2013, 08:33 PM
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Suarez7
09-09-2013, 02:15 AM
We're hovering around top 100 but got matched with samurai blood 2 twice. We got mauled by bronx warriors. Tough facing a lot of millionaires.

P4TR1C14N
09-09-2013, 05:00 AM
We get matched about 40-50% with top10... and then we already try to see when they are fighting to try to avoid them. Imagine what it would be if we just declare when we can.

Doesn't matter if we are top500 or top10.

So Conclusion is quite simple for us... how can we ever get 50 wins like this. Gree seems to match based on average strenght mainly but that is just plain ridiculous.

Let's compare with a marathon... Pief poef paf... go go...
Player A takes the lead and is very strong.
Player B till Z are after him. We are player Z.

After 2 hours players are scattered over the playing field. We as player Z started very slow (yes, we were still at the bar drinking beer.. sorry). So we need to catch up... how? Well... we start by catching up player Y, then X. till we can't compete anymore and are at the place we should be.

Let's compare with how Gree thinks...
Player A takes the lead and is very strong.
Player B till Z are after him. We are player Z.

After 2 hours players are scattered over the playing field. We as player Z started very slow (yes, we were still at the bar drinking beer.. sorry). So we need to catch up... how? Gree decides its only fair to compare us with player A, B, C as theoretically if we didn't decide to get drunk at the bar first, we would have been able to compete with them.

Excuse me? Who is Gree to decide that if i want to take it slow and fight against small ones, that i need to be forced to get beaten up by my direct competitors because i'm drunk?

Ragmondino
09-09-2013, 05:05 AM
We get matched about 40-50% with top10... and then we already try to see when they are fighting to try to avoid them. Imagine what it would be if we just declare when we can.

Doesn't matter if we are top500 or top10.

So Conclusion is quite simple for us... how can we ever get 50 wins like this. Gree seems to match based on average strenght mainly but that is just plain ridiculous.

Let's compare with a marathon... Pief poef paf... go go...
Player A takes the lead and is very strong.
Player B till Z are after him. We are player Z.

After 2 hours players are scattered over the playing field. We as player Z started very slow (yes, we were still at the bar drinking beer.. sorry). So we need to catch up... how? Well... we start by catching up player Y, then X. till we can't compete anymore and are at the place we should be.

Let's compare with how Gree thinks...
Player A takes the lead and is very strong.
Player B till Z are after him. We are player Z.

After 2 hours players are scattered over the playing field. We as player Z started very slow (yes, we were still at the bar drinking beer.. sorry). So we need to catch up... how? Gree decides its only fair to compare us with player A, B, C as theoretically if we didn't decide to get drunk at the bar first, we would have been able to compete with them.

Excuse me? Who is Gree to decide that if i want to take it slow and fight against small ones, that i need to be forced to get beaten up by my direct competitors because i'm drunk?

Gree decide because your playing by there rules. They heard lots of shouts about "we will hang back", "we will aim low and get easier guilds". With this in mind they made it you face by mainly your strength. They want to force you to spend to win. Getting the big prize for free or even relatively cheap like has been done before is not in the company's interests.

P4TR1C14N
09-09-2013, 05:15 AM
Gree decide because your playing by there rules. They heard lots of shouts about "we will hang back", "we will aim low and get easier guilds". With this in mind they made it you face by mainly your strength. They want to force you to spend to win. Getting the big prize for free or even relatively cheap like has been done before is not in the company's interests.

I can partially agree on this, but you forget one big thing... do you know the effort it costs for those top guilds to stay low and don't get hits in? Did you look already at their members and their drive to kill people? Furthermore... do you realize the effort it costs a top guild to move up from those bottom ranks to the top ranks in a very short time at the end?

So... mmm Gree can do what it wants, but it's A or B, but not only A and don't allow guilds to go also for B by bad design.

Ragmondino
09-09-2013, 05:20 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its right. Yes I know, was top 10 in cc for a long time and the points over there are higher than KA.
Remember though for gree this is a business, if they see people
Doing something for free, they will stop it. It doesn't help that people come on here saying we did this and got it for free. Straight away it comes to grees attention and gets nerfed. We have seen it so many times.
If anyone completes it cheaply this time, and then posts about it here, next war gree will find a way to stop it.

KM KAge
09-09-2013, 08:29 AM
We got a good match!!!! At least it was only 25+ positions above us. Maybe the matching algorithm has been fixed. Oh man, what am I thinking??????????????? BTW, we had 12 horrible mismatches in a row.


NO Surprise, we drew ANOTHER top 50. I suspect we will lose 10 players from the game from our guild alone. Is anyone listening???????

Ragmondino
09-09-2013, 08:38 AM
So has anyone apart from FUN looking like they'll complete the streak?

Sparky14
09-09-2013, 08:43 AM
Last war our team faced FUN, RK and SB approximately 10-15 times. We saw FUN alone at least 6 times. It was Sunday FUNday! We ended up finishing 18th. This time we have faced those teams a lot less (it seems like it at least). We still had Sunday FUNday but it didn't seem as bad this time around. We have accidentally been in the Top 10 all weekend. Not sure if we're setting up camp or just visiting...time will tell.

anchlovi
09-09-2013, 09:12 AM
So has anyone apart from FUN looking like they'll complete the streak?

See: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?67225-Guild-War-Besieging-the-Buried-City/page7

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09-09-2013, 09:32 AM
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This is what I'm talking about....you're so funny, I'm glad your guild made it.
Thanks for sharing!! :rolleyes:

Darth Randy
09-09-2013, 09:46 AM
Gree decide because your playing by there rules. They heard lots of shouts about "we will hang back", "we will aim low and get easier guilds". With this in mind they made it you face by mainly your strength. They want to force you to spend to win. Getting the big prize for free or even relatively cheap like has been done before is not in the company's interests.

This is not true at all. Our guild has had to bottom feed from our opponents lists the entire event. We are overmatched in every singe war after he first 4. We have lost more wars than most have won. We are not being matched by our stats, we are clearly being matched by our CP, as we had been top 150 until yesterday afternoon and have faded a but under the pressure of being overmatched in every battle.

Out of curiosity, what is he record for the most losses in this event?

KM KAge
09-09-2013, 09:52 AM
Darth Randy, sounds like you are in our guild's mirror. We started 0&6, with many only being able to hit the castle. Then we had a run of close matches which we won, then a sting of 12 losses, and now a top 50 guild. We too were top 150 until early this am (est) and now even while fighting we are losing ground to the 150 spot and ALL of our top hitters are fighting. We just cannot compete with millions of points difference in stats per player.

Person
09-09-2013, 10:08 AM
matchups are like Gree exists to screw us.

Shinazueli
09-09-2013, 10:42 AM
I honestly have no clue how the algorithm works nowadays. I used to think it was based on CP. Then I thought stats. After this war, neither of those apply. We are near the 100 spot and consistently draw top25 and top10 teams. Everyone but top3 has been against us, not that that would make a difference, when our GG is hitting their castle for points. Like, we have 2M players, and everyone else has 3-4M that we are fighting. We just pray they have one level 50 with only 1M so we can hit something. Not exaggerating. The matching algorithm is completely ****ed. After the battle, we used to look at the "event CP" and it would be very similar to us. Now, it's off by at least several hundred thousand. I know the top 10 are complaining about always fighting the same battles, but this is bull feces. We almost have enough losses to qualify for a "guild loss quest". I'm pretty sure someone at Gree just went (rand(top50))=matchedGuild, execute. Can we please just fight our peers?!

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09-09-2013, 01:49 PM
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I agree with everything this cat has to say....except for the "Voi DVN dich vu va su chuyen" part. That is just a reach and plain nonsense. Furthermore stating such things makes the rest of your post seem biased and can't be taken seriously.

l3lade2
09-09-2013, 03:01 PM
There seems to be a growing misconception for a lot of guilds, as is stated in this post, that matching is done purely on "strength". No matter how you break down "strength", whether it be average per player, total guild strength, whatever, this cannot be the only factor, otherwise FUN would never be matched, not unless the parameters were so wide that you would begin seeing Top 25 guilds facing Top 1,000 guilds or something (which doesn't happen).

Yes, this war a lot of guilds decided to do some experimentation with rankings, as that was a potential factor (an experiment which turned into an abomination I might add), but it can't just be strength matching.

All of that being said, GREE have certainly listened to the complaints of the few (in numbers) but largest spenders in the game and tinkered with the matching system in between wars, in order to reduce wait times. I have no doubt that FUN and RK have seen improved wait times (seeing as how we matched them back to back within minutes a couple of times I don't think this can be argued), but in order to do that it was deemed the best way was just to make more (therefore weaker) matches available to them. This then of course has a knock-on effect as it extends to all guild matchings, not just the ones the tweak was designed to please the most.

It's not wrong, it's not right....it is what it is.

Person
09-09-2013, 03:31 PM
why not just give FUN the prizes if they stay out of the war

and have the rest try. a close battle between RK, SB and TRK for 1st place will be way more benificial for Gree, more CP will be scored :)

Darth Randy
09-09-2013, 03:52 PM
I think they need to dump the total wins and wins in a row quests all together and just do the same thing they do on raid boss, give each participant of the war a prize for winning, and your total CP could affect the prize brackets. Adding in a random component and encouraging participation was a great idea and it should be expanded to guild wars in lieu of the guild quests we have had so far.

Ryikk
09-09-2013, 04:36 PM
Horrible horrible horrible horrible
We finished 114 last war and the entire last day we were fed Top 50 guilds we couldn't touch. Finally got lucky on the very last match we played catchup.

Shinazueli
09-09-2013, 06:39 PM
There seems to be a growing misconception for a lot of guilds, as is stated in this post, that matching is done purely on "strength". No matter how you break down "strength", whether it be average per player, total guild strength, whatever, this cannot be the only factor, otherwise FUN would never be matched, not unless the parameters were so wide that you would begin seeing Top 25 guilds facing Top 1,000 guilds or something (which doesn't happen).

Yes, this war a lot of guilds decided to do some experimentation with rankings, as that was a potential factor (an experiment which turned into an abomination I might add), but it can't just be strength matching.

All of that being said, GREE have certainly listened to the complaints of the few (in numbers) but largest spenders in the game and tinkered with the matching system in between wars, in order to reduce wait times. I have no doubt that FUN and RK have seen improved wait times (seeing as how we matched them back to back within minutes a couple of times I don't think this can be argued), but in order to do that it was deemed the best way was just to make more (therefore weaker) matches available to them. This then of course has a knock-on effect as it extends to all guild matchings, not just the ones the tweak was designed to please the most.

It's not wrong, it's not right....it is what it is.

It's not about "strength". It's about "a real competition". Your guilds CP score should be the primary factor in determining matchups (especially as the war goes on, for the first few it should be based on your previous ranking) (also, it's the most accurate indicator of strength and playstyle...), and if you have to wait for matches because you spend more money than God, at least you have the consolation that you don't have to actually worry about losing the match. This "fix" is bull-feces. Put it back the way it was. Arena ratings and ladder matches have been around since the dawn of gaming, this isn't f'ing new rocket science. Please stop screwing us. If FUN et al cannot get the necessary wins for the quest in the alotted time allowing for matching, then MAYBE(!) you should bring the required number down instead of f'ing with the matching algorithm?!

If you wanna sacrifice the ranking prizes for the win prizes, that should be a legitimate choice.

E-I
09-09-2013, 07:03 PM
The teams in the top ten were trying very hard to score low CP in the first day or two. They wanted to remain well bellow the radar so they could declare more frequently without having to worry about FUN/RK. Top 10-15 teams also worked really hard not to meet each other. These factors are a big reason why a lot of top 100 teams had to the strongest guilds. It sucks, but it could probably be easily fixed if Gree only allowed teams to play each other once per war. If you know you will get just one war against FUN/RK, all of the higher level teams would be willing to declare immediately.

Shinazueli
09-09-2013, 07:06 PM
I understand that the top guilds were coming down for the quest. So the first day matches I could understand and plan for. But even after the top guilds went up, we still kept getting screwed over. Rank 12x vs rank 2x twice in the last 24 hours is just horse-excrement. You aren't telling me they can score 50-80k points/war and stay down, it's not happening. They will climb.

Zenobia
09-09-2013, 08:34 PM
The teams in the top ten were trying very hard to score low CP in the first day or two. They wanted to remain well bellow the radar so they could declare more frequently without having to worry about FUN/RK. Top 10-15 teams also worked really hard not to meet each other. These factors are a big reason why a lot of top 100 teams had to the strongest guilds. It sucks, but it could probably be easily fixed if Gree only allowed teams to play each other once per war. If you know you will get just one war against FUN/RK, all of the higher level teams would be willing to declare immediately.
It wasn't just Top 10 teams. It was most of the Top 100 I think. The thing is, the strategy of keeping CP low at least at first SHOULD have worked. It WOULD have worked if Gree had not completely changed the matching formula between the last war and this one. We waited an hour and a half to declare our first battle. We had ZERO CP and were matched with RK. We stayed outside the Top 300 even and a few battles later were matched with FUN. We didn't bother to put any pointless points up against them so our CP stayed extremely low. Our very next match? FUN. Again. By the end we faced FUN 4 times and RK 4 times. Probably nearly half our matches were against Top 10 teams. And we were NEVER above #22-24 at the highest.

It is patently obvious that Gree changed the matching system in order to kowtow to FUN and maybe the other very top teams. After the fact, I now see claims that they still had terrible matching times. But we ALL checked that leaderboard for movement every five minutes of every hour of every day, and anyone saying the top teams' matching times were no better this war is full of horse doo-doo. As I said somewhere else, the matching time for top guilds changed. Fact. Numbers prove this. And how many times teams ranked lower were matched with top teams changed dramatically. Fact. Numbers prove this. It is not possible IMO that these two very clear changes are unrelated. As to why these changes one needs only ask who the changes were actually good for.

I am curious. How many times this war were FUN and RK matched with each other? FUN and SB? RK and SB? I would bet my savings (small as that is) that that number is also dramatically different from the last wars. And no coincidence. Ladies and gentlemen, I stand corrected when I long ago said that hackers would ruin the game. If the game continues in the direction it will be ruined all right, but ruined because Gree kowtows to the 1%ers and blithely f***s the rest of us in the a** in the process.

Shinazueli
09-09-2013, 09:14 PM
It wasn't just Top 10 teams. It was most of the Top 100 I think. The thing is, the strategy of keeping CP low at least at first SHOULD have worked. It WOULD have worked if Gree had not completely changed the matching formula between the last war and this one. We waited an hour and a half to declare our first battle. We had ZERO CP and were matched with RK. We stayed outside the Top 300 even and a few battles later were matched with FUN. We didn't bother to put any pointless points up against them so our CP stayed extremely low. Our very next match? FUN. Again. By the end we faced FUN 4 times and RK 4 times. Probably nearly half our matches were against Top 10 teams. And we were NEVER above #22-24 at the highest.

It is patently obvious that Gree changed the matching system in order to kowtow to FUN and maybe the other very top teams. After the fact, I now see claims that they still had terrible matching times. But we ALL checked that leaderboard for movement every five minutes of every hour of every day, and anyone saying the top teams' matching times were no better this war is full of horse doo-doo. As I said somewhere else, the matching time for top guilds changed. Fact. Numbers prove this. And how many times teams ranked lower were matched with top teams changed dramatically. Fact. Numbers prove this. It is not possible IMO that these two very clear changes are unrelated. As to why these changes one needs only ask who the changes were actually good for.

I am curious. How many times this war were FUN and RK matched with each other? FUN and SB? RK and SB? I would bet my savings (small as that is) that that number is also dramatically different from the last wars. And no coincidence. Ladies and gentlemen, I stand corrected when I long ago said that hackers would ruin the game. If the game continues in the direction it will be ruined all right, but ruined because Gree kowtows to the 1%ers and blithely f***s the rest of us in the a** in the process.

This. 10 characters

Cola3
09-09-2013, 10:11 PM
It wasn't just Top 10 teams. It was most of the Top 100 I think. The thing is, the strategy of keeping CP low at least at first SHOULD have worked. It WOULD have worked if Gree had not completely changed the matching formula between the last war and this one. We waited an hour and a half to declare our first battle. We had ZERO CP and were matched with RK. We stayed outside the Top 300 even and a few battles later were matched with FUN. We didn't bother to put any pointless points up against them so our CP stayed extremely low. Our very next match? FUN. Again. By the end we faced FUN 4 times and RK 4 times. Probably nearly half our matches were against Top 10 teams. And we were NEVER above #22-24 at the highest.

It is patently obvious that Gree changed the matching system in order to kowtow to FUN and maybe the other very top teams. After the fact, I now see claims that they still had terrible matching times. But we ALL checked that leaderboard for movement every five minutes of every hour of every day, and anyone saying the top teams' matching times were no better this war is full of horse doo-doo. As I said somewhere else, the matching time for top guilds changed. Fact. Numbers prove this. And how many times teams ranked lower were matched with top teams changed dramatically. Fact. Numbers prove this. It is not possible IMO that these two very clear changes are unrelated. As to why these changes one needs only ask who the changes were actually good for.

I am curious. How many times this war were FUN and RK matched with each other? FUN and SB? RK and SB? I would bet my savings (small as that is) that that number is also dramatically different from the last wars. And no coincidence. Ladies and gentlemen, I stand corrected when I long ago said that hackers would ruin the game. If the game continues in the direction it will be ruined all right, but ruined because Gree kowtows to the 1%ers and blithely f***s the rest of us in the a** in the process.

I have this feeling that few of the FUN members are actually employees of Gree. It sets up how much has to be spent on wars. You would see RK trying to catch up, only to be left in the dust a few hours later. Then trying to catch up again....RK using up all the gems they have and buying some more. With the rest of the top ten trying to pass on who's above them. It's just a hunch, how else are they given their own named units as part of the prize. :)

leek
09-09-2013, 11:14 PM
I am curious. How many times this war were FUN and RK matched with each other? FUN and SB? RK and SB? I would bet my savings (small as that is) that that number is also dramatically different from the last wars. And no coincidence. Ladies and gentlemen, I stand corrected when I long ago said that hackers would ruin the game. If the game continues in the direction it will be ruined all right, but ruined because Gree kowtows to the 1%ers and blithely f***s the rest of us in the a** in the process.

Yup, seen it all too often, RK waits for FUN to match. SB waits for both RK and FUN to match. Its easier for the top 3 because they just have to avoid one or two opponents to get both the big prizes. The gap is widening like crazy now. Unless something radical is done, people will gradually lose interest and quit. After all, where's the fun when you can only hit castles.

ELVIS2K13
09-09-2013, 11:23 PM
I would love a forum moderator to chime in and maybe even give a bull **** explanation on battle matching . At this point ill take anything over nothing . Good thread tho .

It's all a dream
09-10-2013, 02:41 AM
The teams in the top ten were trying very hard to score low CP in the first day or two. They wanted to remain well bellow the radar so they could declare more frequently without having to worry about FUN/RK. Top 10-15 teams also worked really hard not to meet each other. These factors are a big reason why a lot of top 100 teams had to the strongest guilds. It sucks, but it could probably be easily fixed if Gree only allowed teams to play each other once per war. If you know you will get just one war against FUN/RK, all of the higher level teams would be willing to declare immediately.

actually a very interesting thought. its like a competition. fight another guild once and see where you end up in the grand scheme of things. and to make it even more interesting let the last matchup be complete random draw, meaning you can face anybody. sort of ultimate fight.

Bohemian
09-10-2013, 03:14 AM
Many good idea, r GREE listening ? Probably Yawn ing...
@ Cola3 : about ur feeling, sssstttt 🙊

Gambit12
09-10-2013, 08:08 AM
We stayed outside the Top 300 even and a few battles later were matched with FUN. We didn't bother to put any pointless points up against them so our CP stayed extremely low. Our very next match? FUN. Again. By the end we faced FUN 4 times and RK 4 times. Probably nearly half our matches were against Top 10 teams. And we were NEVER above #22-24 at the highest.

I am curious. How many times this war were FUN and RK matched with each other? FUN and SB? RK and SB?

Sorry about that Lady Zenobia, we don't wanna match up with your team more than once. Probably one or two is enough, but Gree is the trigger man to match us up. To be honest with you, we wanna face RK & SB all the time or the other top 10 team than you guys.

We only match up with RK on the very last war besides the glitch war at the end. We had never face SB this war & i salute them for being good in hiding against us...:cool:


I have this feeling that few of the FUN members are actually employees of Gree. It sets up how much has to be spent on wars. You would see RK trying to catch up, only to be left in the dust a few hours later. Then trying to catch up again....RK using up all the gems they have and buying some more. With the rest of the top ten trying to pass on who's above them. It's just a hunch, how else are they given their own named units as part of the prize. :)

All FUN members are forum member & that's why we called our guild team the "Forum United Nations." Every FUN member use to be posting here back in the old days before the LTQ has started & before you probably join the KA forum Cola3..:p:cool:

The Good Doctor
09-10-2013, 08:56 AM
If the game continues in the direction it will be ruined all right, but ruined because Gree kowtows to the 1%ers and blithely f***s the rest of us in the a** in the process.


That doesn't sound pleasant at all! I also get the impression Gree wouldn't be very gentlemanly about it either: Dinner, movie, condom, lube. "Condom?! Condoms are for sailors!" I get the impression it would be more of a prison style encounter.

Z, I think I speak for everyone when I say I prefer the Lady Crows Mud Wrestling talk.

Krayt
09-10-2013, 08:58 AM
We faced a lot of top 50 guilds this go around. Bit unusual seeing as we were never a top 100 guild before.

It's all a dream
09-10-2013, 09:09 AM
Sorry about that Lady Zenobia, we don't wanna match up with your team more than once. Probably one or two is enough, but Gree is the trigger man to match us up. To be honest with you, we wanna face RK & SB all the time or the other top 10 team than you guys.

We only match up with RK on the very last war besides the glitch war at the end. We had never face SB this war & i salute them for being good in hiding against us...:cool:



All FUN members are forum member & that's why we called our guild team the "Forum United Nations." Every FUN member use to be posting here back in the old days before the LTQ has started & before you probably join the KA forum Cola3..:p:cool:

lol Gree employees can still be forum members ;)

Cola3
09-10-2013, 09:32 AM
All FUN members are forum member & that's why we called our guild team the "Forum United Nations." Every FUN member use to be posting here back in the old days before the LTQ has started & before you probably join the KA forum Cola3..:p:cool:

Hi Gambit. I did say just a few of you.......you and I can never be sure, not even your own members. It's just weird that before the Guild wars, the RK's are always in the top 50 in the box event including the top 1 spot, almost consistently. RK's was suppose to dominate the guild wars coz they spend more, but obviously that did not happen. "Someone" probably knows who to make as FUN members and who not to accept using accounts history.....lol. But don't take too much of what I say...I'm just paranoid. :D

Zenobia
09-10-2013, 10:08 AM
lol Gree employees can still be forum members ;)

Exactly! Obviously! Now I have no idea honestly if FUN or any other guild has any Gree employees on the team. I am not huge on conspiracy theories. But a lot of things are in the realm of possibility. Indulge me and just follow this line of thought with me before you say it's absolutely impossible:


Imagine you were a Gree employee. Would you really not join in playing the game you work on? Think about it. The odds that not one employee of Gree is playing the game is about zero.
Therefore it is possible that any guild in existence could have one or more members who are actually Gree employees. It is possible there is one in my guild. I like to believe not but I'm not totally naive - it is possible and surely is the case in some of our guilds. Though if it were true of MoC I think we'd have had helluva lot easier war. But I digress.
If you were a Gree employee and playing the game, would you trust every member of your guild enough to tell them that you work for Gree? Would you even tell one or two?
"But I know every member of my guild inside and out, and I'm positive none of them work for Gree!" Has every member of your guild actually happened to mention the name of their employer in conversation? And if so, until they send you a copy of their paycheck, hate to tell you, they could be lying. (Heck you can't even believe a paycheck stub - it could be their spouse's!) People do lie to people they are close to. All the time. Especially when they have a secret that huge.
If you were a Gree admin or moderator, would you admit to the forum that there is no way they can prevent Gree employees from playing the game?
And finally, if you were a Gree employee, playing KA... what guild would you join?

Just food for thought. Wish we had a popcorn eating smiley here.

Krayt
09-10-2013, 10:34 AM
If the employees have perks, I am sure they join the top rated guilds....

E-I
09-10-2013, 10:42 AM
Its really just a moot point whether or not FUN has Gree employees in it. It is all just speculation, nobody would be able to prove it, and FUN isn't the one clicking on your refill energy button.

Here's food for thought... FUN has won every war and RK always finishes second. If RK decided not to keep up with FUN and spend half of what they do, would all other guilds follow suit? Let FUN spend whatever they want and RK can set the pace.

AndOne707
09-10-2013, 10:43 AM
You guys run conspiracy theories like there's no tomorrow.
Yet you don't consider all the variables necessary in order to have a solid foundation.
Hav you consider that top guilds might have a strategy as well?
That they just dont declare war blindly like most of us do and hoping we aren't match by a guild on which we have the disadvantage ?
Aside you guys thinking GREE here and GREE there, which in no way I'm defending since the game continues to have several issues. But just food for thought.

Zenobia
09-10-2013, 11:17 AM
I just wanted to point out that I never said I thought Gree employees in FUN were conspiring to engineer FUN always winning, or anything like that. I just pointed out that it is very plausible that some guilds have Gree employees in them. And that if that is the case, FUN is likely to have some. When I asked if you were a Gree employee what guild would you join, I did not mean that the automatic answer to that question was "FUN." That would not be my answer. The original founder of FUN offered me spot on the team back before the first war. I chose MoC instead. Because, while I knew even then FUN would be #1 at everything, MoC is the guild I thought I would get the most enjoyment out of being in.

Further, I believe FUN takes the #1 spot in every war because:
a) they have the deepest pockets and
b) they have personalities/priorities such that winning every single thing, at any cost, is the only option and the only thing that matters.

If they have Gree employees on their team, that is NOT why they are #1 every time. It's because of the above. If employees are on the team, they are just people like the other FUN members, of that same mentality that that is the guild they would choose.

AndOne707
09-10-2013, 11:25 AM
About having GREE employees in top guilds or anywhere for that matter... Didn't really think of it till now.
I'm sure we have folks among ourself with special privileges.

Gambit12
09-10-2013, 11:29 AM
Gree Employee, what!? Seriously!? I'll put my money to it if whoever wants to bet that 120% we don't have any Gree Employee. Gree is sucks & they are Greetarded & we don't like them at all cause of non sense bug, freezes your game, poor customer service, & also hackers in game...

AndOne707
09-10-2013, 11:32 AM
I also can understand your frustration for that matter. Some of the things you see in the game are by far unreal.
If we happen to be that competitive, IMO I wouldn't spend as much money needed in order to have "bragging rights" an even than, where are those members ????
If you would happen to be number 1 at what you do or even take top 5 places, I would declare it among the people that care I gain such place.
FUN , RK and SB and now TRK happen to be like ghost stories among the forums.
Could it be that they use other methods to brag, communicate or have by now their own community and private forums? Probably.

The box events, which I hate. N the amount it takes to score now and days during war are by far out of this world. Even for a game.

AndOne707
09-10-2013, 11:35 AM
Gree Employee, what!? Seriously!? I'll put my money to it if whoever wants to bet that 120% we don't have any Gree Employee. Gree is sucks & they are Greetarded & we don't like them at all cause of non sense bug, freezes your game, poor customer service, & also hackers in game...
I can only speak for myself... Since I played the game for over a year now and recently have become an active member d the forums.
One thing I can honestly say, everyone speculates but do not have solid evidence that points to any of it.
People can only speculate and wonder how its done every single time.
You happen to be part of the circle of trust, the one guild everyone speaks about an knows nothing of it.
So you can really understand why people are curious on your awesome achievements.

It's all a dream
09-10-2013, 12:33 PM
whether or not someone is working for Gree. FUN rules because of their spending.

but its interesting to know in which guild Cj is or CC Mark is/was. The latter i know played MW for sure and if im correct other games as well. and im fairly sure others play as well.

Gambit12
09-10-2013, 12:56 PM
whether or not someone is working for Gree. FUN rules because of their spending.

but its interesting to know in which guild Cj is or CC Mark is/was. The latter i know played MW for sure and if im correct other games as well. and im fairly sure others play as well.

:DHahaha...Lol! You're so funny I.a.a.d.

E-I
09-10-2013, 12:58 PM
Further, I believe FUN takes the #1 spot in every war because:
a) they have the deepest pockets and
b) they have personalities/priorities such that winning every single thing, at any cost, is the only option and the only thing that matters.

If they have Gree employees on their team, that is NOT why they are #1 every time. It's because of the above. If employees are on the team, they are just people like the other FUN members, of that same mentality that that is the guild they would choose.

Ah, but you have broken logic. Look at Gree then tell me that its employees strive for the best! :p

It's all a dream
09-10-2013, 01:32 PM
:DHahaha...Lol! You're so funny I.a.a.d.

what happened to your sig :rolleyes:

Gambit12
09-10-2013, 01:45 PM
what happened to your sig :rolleyes:

You always have the option to show it or not..:cool:

RandomUser
09-10-2013, 02:10 PM
I, for one, would like to see an NCAA March Madness style match-up system. First round 1 matches 1024, 2 matches 1023, etc. At the end we have FUN going head-to-head with RK for all the marbles!

Princeton never *****es when it has to face the #1 or #2 seed in the first round. Yeah, it sucks having to face FUN, RK, or SB 8-10 times in a weekend (meaning 8-10 losses), but if you're a top 75 team who happens to draw an unwinnable matchup - that's just how EVERYONE who faces FUN feels. Welcome to the club, here's your membership card.

It's all a dream
09-10-2013, 02:11 PM
You always have the option to show it or not..:cool:

thx Gambit i just missed the show-off ;):p

Guido69
09-10-2013, 03:07 PM
Further, I believe FUN takes the #1 spot in every war because:
a) they have the deepest pockets and
b) they have personalities/priorities such that winning every single thing, at any cost, is the only option and the only thing that matters.


Zenobia, I don't know whether a) is correct as I am sure there are very heavy spenders with very deep pockets in other guilds as well.

I can assure you though that b) is right on the money.

Also, I would add that we have a very well thought out battle plan and players that stick to it without (major) egos.

And, rest assured I have never ever heard, read, or in any way noticed that one of us is a Gree employee. Again, you can say that person would never acknowledge that on the forum. Probably true, but what I said is what I know.

And also for the record, out waiting times were inexcusably long again. We wanted to match up with the strong guilds all the time, but that did not happen until the very end. We have (had) no intention to match up with your or any other guild so many times. There is only one guild we would like to fight all the time.

Zenobia
09-10-2013, 04:45 PM
And also for the record, out waiting times were inexcusably long again. We wanted to match up with the strong guilds all the time, but that did not happen until the very end. We have (had) no intention to match up with your or any other guild so many times. There is only one guild we would like to fight all the time.

Oh, please don't worry - I do believe you that you and your other guild members feel that way about matching us. Some or all of you wanted to be SURE you matched us at least once, yes - some called for it many times in the last couple months. But beyond that if it's not the one guild you would like to fight all the time, I'm sure you could care less who it is you are matched with.

As for your matching time, I find it hard to believe based on many people observation of the LB that it was not significantly better this time. I guess a matching time that is 10-15 minutes better on average but not down to one minute is still "inexcusably long" to you all. But regardless of your wait time, even you guys have to admit it is patently clear that Gree changed the matching system for this war, and that it resulted in all the other Top 50 guilds having a MUCH harder time of it. You know as well as the rest of us do because you, along with the other Top 4 or whatever guilds, were the ones matched with Top 50 guilds so many, MANY times more often than previously, that it made winning 50 nearly impossible. Well, nearly impossible for anyone but FUN.

I am also pretty sure you guys as a whole are all very HAPPY knowing that suddenly now almost no one else can reasonably win those war guild quest top prizes. Because your team members' reaction to MoC winning Daleth first made it very clear that the goal of FUN members is not just that FUN win, but that everyone else lose. That only FUN has the right to win top prizes of any sort in war. While those of us who do not believe that winning is the only option and the only thing that matters, we are actually HAPPY for others who achieve the top goals, not angry, vengeful, and mocking of others defeats. We play together not because we feel the need to dominate other people, but because we enjoy each others company... and the friendly competition among our peers that the game USED to provide before making nearly every match-up grossly disproportionate.

Well, Gree gave you what you wished for on a silver platter. I doubt even 10 teams won the 50 wins quest, nor even half that the heroic quest. I hope you all are happy with that. Almost nobody else is. But that doesn't matter, does it?

ETA: I know that some FUN members are not of the mentality that everyone else losing is as important as their winning, and that they are entitled to be the only ones to win top prizes. Some are happy for others successes and a great part of the community, always helping everyone else out. I just realized I probably did not sound that way in the above rant and I'm sorry for that.

Guido69
09-10-2013, 05:22 PM
...

You sound bitter and frustrated. Which I do understand.

Has Gree changed the matching system? Yes, that what I believe and experienced.

Are we happy with it? No, not at all.

We don't think in those absolutes, that we are the only guild that deserves the prize and no one else should have it. It should be hard to accomplish and to obtain but it should be in the reach of many guilds who have a great strategy and resources. Only that will keep the game interesting and enjoyable. We don't want the game to be boring at all.

I agree that it is very frustrating to be matched up with the same guild so many times in a short period of time. Also for us. That should be improved but I doubt it will happen.

Edit: I saw your edit :)

Krayt
09-10-2013, 09:20 PM
Just curious Guido, but what are the average a/d like for you guys in FUN?

Alexius
09-10-2013, 09:34 PM
I can't wait until gree comes out with that 10mil/12mil unit for the bottom 3 guilds to make things interesting......until then ill hold my breath.

Guido69
09-10-2013, 10:21 PM
Just curious Guido, but what are the average a/d like for you guys in FUN?

It varies. For players who were in FUN from the very beginning the attack is somewhere between 9 and 11M and defense between 7 and 9M. For others who joined later, a bit lower.

Suki
09-11-2013, 06:45 AM
Gree is a business to make money.
When big teams match up with little teams, they get terrible points.
To keep up, they have to spend more.
So, by increasing the number of mismatches, Gree makes more money.

It's kind of like the government in a way. We think they want to make
Things run well, but they really just want to take the money and run.

Dragon Buster
09-19-2013, 12:44 PM
Gree is a business to make money.
When big teams match up with little teams, they get terrible points.
To keep up, they have to spend more.
So, by increasing the number of mismatches, Gree makes more money.


I think that's completely false, you actually get better points with less effort by beating up on weaker guilds because that's where you see higher level players with lower stats.

About the matching system. Lets see...
Each of the top 3 guilds got 50Wins and the Streak GLTQs completed, meaning they haven't seen each other for at least 2.5 days...
Are we still calling this a "matching system"? :confused:

Sundelle
09-19-2013, 03:05 PM
Gree decide because your playing by there rules. They heard lots of shouts about "we will hang back", "we will aim low and get easier guilds". With this in mind they made it you face by mainly your strength. They want to force you to spend to win. Getting the big prize for free or even relatively cheap like has been done before is not in the company's interests.

This all is true. After all they are trying to make money;)