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pendentive
09-17-2013, 05:20 PM
http://s17.postimg.org/ei4kbz82n/GQ4.jpg

Winner's List (Normal Mode):

FUN
TRK
RK
TAG
SB
FDK
DW
TKT
GoV
KG
MoC
FUN2
DKG
SA
LON
TCG
SK
BO1
MIE
FKG
DDD
SA2
WTP
RK3
RK4
RK5
JFB
TGK
STC
COV
FDK
KOS
SB4
LN
WAF
BGK
FFF
RDS
VW
AS
TSS
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Winner's List (Heroic Mode):

FUN
RK
TRK
SB
FDK
RK5
SB4
FUN2
LON
CrowOps (MoC/BO)
BGK
DW
RK3
WTP (partial)
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Very impressive units. Best of luck to ALL guilds!

LMeMM
09-17-2013, 05:55 PM
Best luck for all guilds!!
I just wish that the heroic reward have some bonus!! 😎

finallyfree
09-17-2013, 10:48 PM
Guild Normal :
39/39 : Parry the Northern Army
Win Boss L65 within 15 minutes
Got Enslaved Rasour Spawn 30000/28446

pendentive
09-17-2013, 10:53 PM
Congrats to FUN!!

justsomedood5
09-18-2013, 12:32 AM
Congrats to FUN!!

Did you guys actually complete the whole quest? Maybe my fun allies haven't logged in since, but it only looks like you only completed normal mode...

Edit - Nevermind see you're only talking about normal mode. Think a few groups have that done as well.

finallyfree
09-18-2013, 01:28 AM
Heroic :

19/33 Boss L85 1/1 Northern Wonder 4500/4100
20/33 Boss L75 15 Minutes 60 exp and 20,000 Honours
21/33 Boss L80 5/5 Northern Battle Maiden 4600/5000

Killer Giraffe
09-18-2013, 01:34 AM
TRK have completed normal mode as well.

Valid or
09-18-2013, 04:19 AM
I've been wondering how meny guilds are saying the heroic is just too costly.

Zepson
09-18-2013, 05:22 AM
With every 2 prizes only XP and Honour ???!!!
Screw this, I won't spend any gems on this.

jchow69
09-18-2013, 05:26 AM
My stats are gonna be soooo inflated...

pendentive
09-18-2013, 06:45 AM
Congrats, TRK !!

Ryosaeba
09-18-2013, 07:18 AM
Best luck for all guilds!!
I just wish that the heroic reward have some bonus!!

What kind of "luck" do you need? At 2.1 billion health, you'd need to just open up your wallet. Zero luck involved.

JJazz
09-18-2013, 12:03 PM
Do we know if the heroic end unit has a stat % increase? or would it have shown on the picture. I don't remember from the last raid boss event

pendentive
09-18-2013, 12:16 PM
The Raid Boss from last time showed a boost. This one does not.

pendentive
09-18-2013, 02:14 PM
Found the Enslaved Rasour Spawn in an RK buddy's profile. Don't know why they don't participate in the forum as much...?
Bashful, perhaps?

:D :D :D

Sparky14
09-18-2013, 05:34 PM
The Assassins Guild (TAG) finished normal mode.

justsomedood5
09-18-2013, 05:39 PM
SB did normal at some point this morning. This time around, it's been nice to take it slow and have 50+ people getting each unit drop.

Voxker
09-18-2013, 05:40 PM
TAG's done normal

pendentive
09-18-2013, 06:08 PM
Congrats to TAG and SB !!!

JJazz
09-18-2013, 06:17 PM
Heroic :

19/33 Boss L85 1/1 Northern Wonder 4500/4100
20/33 Boss L75 15 Minutes 60 exp and 20,000 Honours
21/33 Boss L80 5/5 Northern Battle Maiden 4600/5000

What in the world does Gree expect us to do with all the honor we are receiving? It doesn't make sense, and if there aren't any new honor units I think people might be really angry.

pendentive
09-18-2013, 06:41 PM
still better than stones....

OM-Kingdom Age
09-18-2013, 07:19 PM
Found the Enslaved Rasour Spawn in an RK buddy's profile. Don't know why they don't participate in the forum as much...?
Bashful, perhaps?

:D :D :D we got it before you! We are busy tapping and killing the boss.. LOL !

travelingsalesman
09-18-2013, 07:19 PM
FDK completed normal mode a few hours ago

OM-Kingdom Age
09-18-2013, 07:20 PM
Found the Enslaved Rasour Spawn in an RK buddy's profile. Don't know why they don't participate in the forum as much...?
Bashful, perhaps?

:D :D :D we got it before you! We are busy tapping and killing the boss.. LOL ! But who cares about finishing this pointless event anyhow

pendentive
09-18-2013, 07:40 PM
Congrats FDK !!!

OM - shouldn't you be home collecting? I see you left the door open...
:D :p

OM-Kingdom Age
09-18-2013, 07:48 PM
Congrats FDK !!!

OM - shouldn't you be home collecting? I see you left the door open...
:D :p
I am doing charity work for FUN.. LOL

OM-Kingdom Age
09-18-2013, 07:49 PM
Congrats FDK !!!

OM - shouldn't you be home collecting? I see you left the door open...
:D :p
See what happens when I leave home to check on forum ... 👍👍👍

OM-Kingdom Age
09-18-2013, 07:52 PM
See what happens when I leave home to check on forum ... �������� gatekeeper ! Close the door.. You are fired .. Darn security guards..
New add: OM- RK. Looking for a new gate keeper who does not sleep on the job

Erageous
09-18-2013, 09:21 PM
Congrats to those guilds who have finished! :)

finallyfree
09-18-2013, 11:47 PM
�������� gatekeeper ! Close the door.. You are fired .. Darn security guards..
New add: OM- RK. Looking for a new gate keeper who does not sleep on the job

when your 24, 48 is up? :)


PS. I still have a link to you so, I can submit the charity to FUN under your name.. :D

P4TR1C14N
09-19-2013, 04:54 AM
DW finished normal mode yesterday

pendentive
09-19-2013, 07:13 AM
Congrats to DW !!!

Pacoj67
09-19-2013, 08:40 AM
TKT Finished this morning!

pendentive
09-19-2013, 09:39 AM
Congrats to TKT!!!

Ryosaeba
09-19-2013, 11:52 AM
I'm not sure if you can call someone (or a group) a winner when there's zero luck or skilled involved (unless you count finger mashing a skill).

pendentive
09-19-2013, 12:28 PM
oh boo....sounds like sour g r a p e s...


Doing well in the Raid Boss actually takes a good bit of communication among guild members, proper timing of events, and there is indeed an element of luck involved (in the rewards) to keep in fun/interesting. And there's definitely cheering in the chat rooms once you've completed it.

Perhaps you need a better guild? ;)

belgario
09-19-2013, 12:39 PM
GoV finished normal mode

pendentive
09-19-2013, 12:54 PM
Congrats to GoV !!!

OM-Kingdom Age
09-19-2013, 01:12 PM
when your 24, 48 is up? :)


PS. I still have a link to you so, I can submit the charity to FUN under your name.. :D
Charity to FUN account closed : FUND denied .... Check with Hammer he covers my bills

Anyhow I borrowed Jon's timer ⏰⏰. So I am good

DEVASTATOR
09-19-2013, 01:36 PM
Tkt you guys finished heroic? If so, well done! That's awesome. And ryo, don't be jealous man! There is alot strategy being used to complete the raid boss, not just gems. Getting everyone to get their free hits in so the heavy hitters don't have to use as many takes alot of patience, and good communication. Don't be a poopy pants.

pendentive
09-19-2013, 01:55 PM
oops - I assumed TKT was just posting they finished Normal. Could we get a clarification?

DEVASTATOR
09-19-2013, 02:03 PM
I bet I assumed wrong Pen, not you lol. After going back through the posts, it makes sense they finished normal, based on other posts. So my bad. Still, finishing normal Is nothing to be upset about. So congrats from me no matter what!

fred1234
09-19-2013, 04:51 PM
We have finished normal at kings gate

pendentive
09-19-2013, 06:03 PM
Congrats, KG !!!

Dev - it's cool, Bro.

bird1992
09-19-2013, 06:20 PM
The Raid Boss from last time showed a boost. This one does not.

beast defense 30 %

pendentive
09-19-2013, 06:21 PM
I'll update it, bird1992 - thanks for the reminder.

Zenobia
09-19-2013, 09:08 PM
MoC has completed the regular quest. Congrats to everyone else who already did so!

pendentive
09-19-2013, 09:45 PM
Congrats MoC !!!

Joshua -kol-
09-19-2013, 10:02 PM
FUN2 just completed normal mode

P4TR1C14N
09-19-2013, 11:08 PM
I think it says enough nobody already finished heroic. Compared to any other ltq...

Ryosaeba
09-19-2013, 11:30 PM
oh boo....sounds like sour g r a p e s...

Doing well in the Raid Boss actually takes a good bit of communication among guild members, proper timing of events, and there is indeed an element of luck involved (in the rewards) to keep in fun/interesting. And there's definitely cheering in the chat rooms once you've completed it.

Perhaps you need a better guild? ;)

I agree to a certain degree for people that don't have unlimited funds. But when you finish the whole thing within an hour, I highly doubt it was because of "communication" or "proper timing." The way this game is setup, just ONE member can finish this thing if you throw enough gems at it. If you're a gem spender, I'm sure you will realize this.

And if one manages to finish this with 2.1 billion HP, I highly doubt some 1000 atk/def unit will make a difference to your stats. Those rare and uncommon units probably won't even make it in to be active.

I'm in a great guild btw. I'm a free player at L93 with almost 2 million stats. Not one penny spent. Though I will admit we probably don't have enough gem spenders to finish this insane quest. No amount of
"communication" or "proper timing" will over come a 2.1 billion HP in 15 minutes. Only cold hard cash.

aphroKEN
09-19-2013, 11:54 PM
The skill-cap in this game is ridiculously high. The amount of communication it takes to organize a guild to rendezvous for a raid boss is on par with the amount of communication needed in organizing a night out to the movies with a bunch of friends. Very difficult. That's what keeps me away from this game. The high level of skill required.

pendentive
09-20-2013, 12:00 AM
And FUN has now finished heroic. Well done!

pendentive
09-20-2013, 12:01 AM
Congrats FUN2!!!

kruppe
09-20-2013, 12:04 AM
FUN just finished heroic

L100 in 15 minutes

Now what to do with all those orbs.....

Shinazueli
09-20-2013, 12:26 AM
You could help out other guilds... But clearly that's not in your interest given your stance towards having an unlimited advantage over everyone forever.

velvetomatoe
09-20-2013, 01:24 AM
Demonic Knights (DKG) just finished normal! Onto the rest of heroic! :cool:

kruppe
09-20-2013, 02:11 AM
You could help out other guilds... But clearly that's not in your interest given your stance towards having an unlimited advantage over everyone forever.

On the qt...

JoeDaddy
09-20-2013, 04:24 AM
Spectral Agony finished normal last night and are halfway through heroic.

Congrats to FUN for finishing, this was certainly a tall order, even for y'all! I've got the over/under for guilds finishing the Heroic at 3, who wants some action??

P4TR1C14N
09-20-2013, 04:54 AM
Congratz FUN... very nice achievement.

Any info you want to share on how hard it was? Did you do it with free hits :)

Dexter Morgan
09-20-2013, 05:58 AM
You could help out other guilds... But clearly that's not in your interest given your stance towards having an unlimited advantage over everyone forever.

Great idea. There is a fun2 and fun3 we can help out!!

Antonio NL1
09-20-2013, 06:30 AM
League of Nations (LON) finished normal yesterday. Working on heroic now. Very hard.

pendentive
09-20-2013, 07:03 AM
Congrats to DKG, SA & LON !!!

txstud903
09-20-2013, 07:19 AM
The Crusaders (TCG) have finished Normal as well

Bastardo79
09-20-2013, 07:44 AM
Add supreme kingdoms (S K)

pendentive
09-20-2013, 08:01 AM
Congrats TCG and SK !!!

justsomedood5
09-20-2013, 08:25 AM
Spectral Agony finished normal last night and are halfway through heroic.

Congrats to FUN for finishing, this was certainly a tall order, even for y'all! I've got the over/under for guilds finishing the Heroic at 3, who wants some action??

I'd go with 10. Would have said 5 yesterday, but that was before the 30% bonus was added.

bird1992
09-20-2013, 08:29 AM
Black Ops finished normal (BO1)

pendentive
09-20-2013, 08:34 AM
Congrats to BO1 !!!

Tyus
09-20-2013, 08:38 AM
Magnus Imperium Elites (MIE) completed Normal Mode yesterday evening.

pendentive
09-20-2013, 08:40 AM
Congrats to MIE !!!

travelingsalesman
09-20-2013, 09:04 AM
FKG just finished Normal

pendentive
09-20-2013, 09:35 AM
Congrats FKG !!!

mmalkove
09-20-2013, 10:25 AM
The skill-cap in this game is ridiculously high. The amount of communication it takes to organize a guild to rendezvous for a raid boss is on par with the amount of communication needed in organizing a night out to the movies with a bunch of friends. Very difficult. That's what keeps me away from this game. The high level of skill required.


Yes, SO much skill required. LOL, I sense Sarcasm

I got addicted to this damn game but it might be time to find a real MMORPG on the PC or Xbox/PS now for a game actually requiring skill. And I thought the $15 a month was expensive for Evercrack! Seems cheap now compared to the thousands$$$ it would take to stay competitive here. I will still play as a free player and just not be competitive I suppose?

mmalkove
09-20-2013, 10:26 AM
Lestatciez will finish Normal today hopefully. We should finish Heroic in December

Sparky14
09-20-2013, 10:33 AM
Lestatciez will finish Normal today hopefully. We should finish Heroic in December

Best response I've seen so far!

Dum
09-20-2013, 11:07 AM
DumDeDum. (DDD) finished normal last night
We will finish Heroic when he'll freezes over

pendentive
09-20-2013, 01:29 PM
Congrats DDD !!!

Rastlin
09-20-2013, 01:53 PM
And I thought the $15 a month was expensive for Evercrack! Seems cheap now compared to the thousands$$$ it would take to stay competitive here. I remember those days! lol

OM-Kingdom Age
09-20-2013, 02:27 PM
FUN members stop checking our inventory .. We just completed heroic level 😄😃😀😄😃

RandomUser
09-20-2013, 02:33 PM
Congrats, RK!

pendentive
09-20-2013, 03:18 PM
OM = ROTFL!!!!

Congrats to RK !!

itsaklayton
09-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Spectral Agony 2 just completed normal.

larrydavid
09-20-2013, 05:06 PM
WTP finished normal 9hrs ago.

pendentive
09-20-2013, 05:20 PM
Congrats to SA2 and WTP !!!

Rastlin
09-20-2013, 05:42 PM
FUN members stop checking our inventory .. We just completed heroic level 😄😃😀😄😃congrats OM!

OM-Kingdom Age
09-20-2013, 08:49 PM
Kindly add for normal mode quest
Royal Knights 3
Royal Knights 4
Royal Knights 5

OM-Kingdom Age
09-20-2013, 08:54 PM
Little birdie told me TRK did it again and completed Heroic... 👏👏👏👏👏you beat samurai again... 👊

Bohemian
09-20-2013, 09:04 PM
Congrats to FUN, RK n TRK.
N Most of all, congrats to ALL who didn't finish HGLTQ for u are smarter than them.

OM-Kingdom Age
09-20-2013, 10:12 PM
😳 do I sense a tad of frustration ! come on ! this is not the time or the right thread.. or is it because we mentioned Samurai Blood... wait 36hrs more on the event I am sure we will have some more "Not so smart" teams to join the wining circle.

pendentive
09-20-2013, 11:46 PM
Congrats to RK3, RK4 and RK5 !!

And big Congrats to TRK!

mighty mackenzie
09-20-2013, 11:53 PM
Samurai Blood completed normal and heroic raid boss

Ruger_888
09-21-2013, 12:20 AM
4 mercenaries looking for the top prize. We join, you finish. 3 mil attack, lots of gems. Only serious contenders apply. Rank 10-25 last war considered. PM if serious.

Maximus1981
09-21-2013, 12:21 AM
Question. If you're going for 3 in a row lvl 60, does it reset if you launch a boss lvl 20 in between?

Ruger_888
09-21-2013, 12:28 AM
Question. If you're going for 3 in a row lvl 60, does it reset if you launch a boss lvl 20 in between?
No
123456

Iron Maiden
09-21-2013, 12:30 AM
Justice from Blood finished normal :)

Gfours
09-21-2013, 02:03 AM
The Grand Knights {TGK}

Normal completed
Currently on 21/33 (h)

Tanis
09-21-2013, 05:25 AM
Stormclocks (STC) finished normal. Congrats to all others who finished.

Spi
09-21-2013, 06:17 AM
Council of Valhalla, COV finished normal mode as well...

Skyraiders
09-21-2013, 06:32 AM
Congrats to all the guilds that finished the normal......huge congrats to all who finished heroic!!!!!

Mystogan
09-21-2013, 06:55 AM
I agree to a certain degree for people that don't have unlimited funds. But when you finish the whole thing within an hour, I highly doubt it was because of "communication" or "proper timing." The way this game is setup, just ONE member can finish this thing if you throw enough gems at it. If you're a gem spender, I'm sure you will realize this.

And if one manages to finish this with 2.1 billion HP, I highly doubt some 1000 atk/def unit will make a difference to your stats. Those rare and uncommon units probably won't even make it in to be active.

I'm in a great guild btw. I'm a free player at L93 with almost 2 million stats. Not one penny spent. Though I will admit we probably don't have enough gem spenders to finish this insane quest. No amount of
"communication" or "proper timing" will over come a 2.1 billion HP in 15 minutes. Only cold hard cash.

I wouldn't bother arguing mate! These people like to think there is skill when there is pretty much a very minor side too it or arguably non to be honest as communication is standard across the board of all games and isn't really a stand out feature and as you said it's all about the money and that is all. Let them blow their money, some of us benefit from it :)

Aclark
09-21-2013, 11:14 AM
FDK has completed normal and Heroic mode of Boss LTQ. Yippie and now I'm tired. Wow that was rough
Congrats to all who are done and I'm cheering on the ones this hard at work and it is hard work. Good luck

paul2013
09-21-2013, 11:58 AM
KOS (Knights Of Singapore) had completed the normal mode, thanks

pendentive
09-21-2013, 12:29 PM
Congrats to JFB, TGK, STC, COV and KOS !!!


And a BIG CONGRATS to FDK and SB for a final finish!!

OM-Kingdom Age
09-21-2013, 02:52 PM
Kindly add Royal Knights 5 to the Completed Heroic Guild Quest.
Congrats to all who have completed this epic level. 👏👏👏👏👏

pendentive
09-21-2013, 04:28 PM
Big CONGRATS to RK5 !!

mighty mackenzie
09-21-2013, 06:53 PM
Samurai Blood 4.O has completed normal and heroic of the raid boss event

JayW
09-21-2013, 07:34 PM
Samurai Blood 4.O has completed normal and heroic of the raid boss event

Congrats to SB4 for completing Heroic! Strong finish.

Davidmoneysnow
09-21-2013, 08:31 PM
On 31/33 for Kingdom of Heaven.

leek
09-21-2013, 11:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the feeder guilds of FUN, RK and SB finished the heroic event. Just need their top guys to jump across and help out. Very soon the top 25 guilds will read FUN, RK, SB, FUN2..., SB4,RK5, FUN3, FUN6, RK8, SB8.

Ruger_888
09-22-2013, 08:52 AM
L🌐N is FINISHED!

almarro1
09-22-2013, 08:55 AM
FUN2 finished heroic too

pendentive
09-22-2013, 08:57 AM
Congrats to LN !!!


And a BIG CONGRATS to SB4 and FUN2 !!
;)

Antonio NL1
09-22-2013, 09:05 AM
League of Nations (LON) has just finished Heroic!

pendentive
09-22-2013, 09:52 AM
BIG CONGRATS to LON !!!

Zenobia
09-22-2013, 09:58 AM
A HUGE project consisting mostly of BlackOps and Crows, with a lot of additional help from members of other guilds (let's leave it anonymous charitable help for now unless they want to receive credit ;) ), has completed the epic quest!!! This HAS to be the largest collaborative effort between non sister-teams in the history of this game. At least the largest successful one. :)

Don't know what you can put on the list for that. Black Crows sounds redundant. We may have decided on CrowOps? lol. Easier than listing all the participants anyway.

pendentive
09-22-2013, 11:04 AM
CrowOps it is!


BIG CONGRATS to CrowOps!!!

FeelSoHigh
09-22-2013, 11:23 AM
WAF an anonymous top 100/150 guild finished normal... And didn't felt into Gree's gem trap.

Lara4578
09-22-2013, 12:41 PM
BGK also finished the normal and heroic too ☺️

LegoLass
09-22-2013, 01:21 PM
Normal mode completed by Fighters for Freedom.
Heroic completed by Dragon Warriors 1

OM-Kingdom Age
09-22-2013, 01:31 PM
 do I sense a tad of frustration ! come on ! this is not the time or the right thread.. or is it because we mentioned Samurai Blood... wait 36hrs more on the event I am sure we will have some more "Not so smart" teams to join the wining circle.

Congrats to all ..
Kindly add Royal Knights 3 for completion of the heroic quest with more than 30 min to spare .... 👊.

LordIndy
09-22-2013, 01:33 PM
Normal mode completed by Fighters for Freedom.
Heroic completed by Dragon Warriors 1

Congrats to both guilds

larrydavid
09-22-2013, 01:59 PM
heroic unit for some WTP members.

Ryikk
09-22-2013, 02:04 PM
Red Dogs (RDS) regular complete!

Iron Maiden
09-22-2013, 03:07 PM
Congrats to all of the guilds that completed normal and extra congrats for those to complete both!

Chief Ani Wah Yah
09-22-2013, 03:17 PM
Id like to offer a congrats too any and all the guilds who completed this latest guild boss event! This was the hardest Ltq of my KA career but was well worth it! Stats increased much! I am a proud memberof FDK, and salute all the guilds tha finished. Good luck and bes wishes from the Chief

Rocco69
09-22-2013, 03:29 PM
Victorious Warriors (VW) finished regular mode with an hour to spare.

OM-Kingdom Age
09-22-2013, 03:46 PM
Thank you Pendentive for taking the time to update this list. I know it requires a lot of work..

Shazam
09-22-2013, 04:45 PM
Normal mode completed by Fighters for Freedom.
Heroic completed by Dragon Warriors 1

Congratulations for the heroic effort Dragon Warriors 1 and all those others who completed this mammoth quest!

SlayerD99
09-22-2013, 05:18 PM
Approaching Storm Completed Normal Mode of this quest

StrictNine
09-22-2013, 05:33 PM
Congrats to all of the guilds that completed normal and extra congrats for those to complete both!

I agree. Congrats.

Ruger_888
09-22-2013, 06:33 PM
GBK, WTP and ARH are my new favorite people. Some of the best guild names in the game and their players are awesome to boot. Congrats to all and hopefully we hear something about all the extra bosses we had to fight along the way. Who wants to wager gem spending is down for the next war?

leek
09-22-2013, 08:10 PM
A HUGE project consisting mostly of BlackOps and Crows, with a lot of additional help from members of other guilds (let's leave it anonymous charitable help for now unless they want to receive credit ;) ), has completed the epic quest!!! This HAS to be the largest collaborative effort between non sister-teams in the history of this game. At least the largest successful one. :)

Don't know what you can put on the list for that. Black Crows sounds redundant. We may have decided on CrowOps? lol. Easier than listing all the participants anyway.

Congrats on the achievement. Not trying to take anything away but its inevitable that gem spenders in both guilds want to band together to complete the quest. Though I'm sure it involves some sacrificial lambs along the way. Not sure what it says about teamwork when others are left behind. IMO it says a lot....

Team trust when broken is like a broken mirror. No matter how perfectly you piece it back together, the cracks still show. It could be someone today but could be you the next.

Vachau
09-22-2013, 08:50 PM
The Sailor Scouts completed Normal with 15 minutes to spare

LegoLass
09-22-2013, 09:24 PM
Congrats on the achievement. Not trying to take anything away but its inevitable that gem spenders in both guilds want to band together to complete the quest. Though I'm sure it involves some sacrificial lambs along the way. Not sure what it says about teamwork when others are left behind. IMO it says a lot....

Team trust when broken is like a broken mirror. No matter how perfectly you piece it back together, the cracks still show. It could be someone today but could be you the next.

I couldn't agree more . . . CrowOps? What GUILD is that? When people are part of a team and then exhibit behavior that is clearly selfish, the destruction of the team is inevitable. For those gemmers that left their guilds behind, good luck maintaining the relationships you've created. Once the trust is gone, so is the relationship. How do your mates know you won't leave them again? Or maybe you just don't care . . .

pendentive
09-22-2013, 09:28 PM
Congrats to WAF, FFF, RDS, VW, AS and TSS !!

And a BIG CONGRATS to BGK, DW, RK3 and part of WTP !!!! :D :D

pendentive
09-22-2013, 09:30 PM
Folks, lets save the sour g r a p e s for another thread and another time. What's done is done and can't be undone, whether for better or worse. And those that completed don't deserve to have their accomplishments mired with in-guild fighting....that's best handled directly in guild chat.


OM -thanks, buddy. ;)

aphroKEN
09-22-2013, 09:39 PM
I couldn't agree more . . . CrowOps? What GUILD is that? When people are part of a team and then exhibit behavior that is clearly selfish, the destruction of the team is inevitable. For those gemmers that left their guilds behind, good luck maintaining the relationships you've created. Once the trust is gone, so is the relationship. How do your mates know you won't leave them again? Or maybe you just don't care . . .

Think of the possibilities if they joined forces during a guild war...

LegoLass
09-22-2013, 10:02 PM
Folks, lets save the sour g r a p e s for another thread and another time. What's done is done and can't be undone, whether for better or worse. And those that completed don't deserve to have their accomplishments mired with in-guild fighting....that's best handled directly in guild chat.


OM -thanks, buddy. ;)

You are right pendentive . . . but I don't have sour g r a p e s. My LLP's guild achieved the prize. All of our gem players remained with us. I am a gem player, but not to the level of others in the guild. I am very thankful we stuck together.

leek
09-22-2013, 10:24 PM
Folks, lets save the sour g r a p e s for another thread and another time. What's done is done and can't be undone, whether for better or worse. And those that completed don't deserve to have their accomplishments mired with in-guild fighting....that's best handled directly in guild chat.


OM -thanks, buddy. ;)

Hi pendentive, I’m sorry if I went off topic but your original thread was about which guilds completed this tremendously difficult raid boss event. A collective of heavy gem players leaving their original guild and forming together to complete this event is not a guild per se. CrowOps is not a guild; a coalition of WTP/Guild X/Guild Y… is not a guild. They are merely opportunistic individuals who sense something is amiss with the clock ticking down. The ones who would not hesitate to leave a dagger in your back and then return smiling to the guild with their prized trophy and pretend nothing has ever happened. I would even ask why they bother returning when they could stay with their same ilk. Trust Gree to bring out the ugliest animal instinct in mankind.

P.S. I was getting more inflammatory towards the end but I do understand the view point of those who left to pursue individual honours. “

shaman01
09-22-2013, 11:35 PM
Hi pendentive, I’m sorry if I went off topic but your original thread was about which guilds completed this tremendously difficult raid boss event. A collective of heavy gem players leaving their original guild and forming together to complete this event is not a guild per se. CrowOps is not a guild; a coalition of WTP/Guild X/Guild Y… is not a guild. They are merely opportunistic individuals who sense something is amiss with the clock ticking down. The ones who would not hesitate to leave a dagger in your back and then return smiling to the guild with their prized trophy and pretend nothing has ever happened. I would even ask why they bother returning when they could stay with their same ilk. Trust Gree to bring out the ugliest animal instinct in mankind.

P.S. I was getting more inflammatory towards the end but I do understand the view point of those who left to pursue individual honours. “

thats how FUN, RK and SB were formed. the top spenders got together and formed a guild.

Rastlin
09-23-2013, 12:10 AM
Congrats on the achievement. Not trying to take anything away but its inevitable that gem spenders in both guilds want to band together to complete the quest. Though I'm sure it involves some sacrificial lambs along the way. Not sure what it says about teamwork when others are left behind. IMO it says a lot....

Team trust when broken is like a broken mirror. No matter how perfectly you piece it back together, the cracks still show. It could be someone today but could be you the next.
Just like World War I and II, Countries and Guilds had to come together to win. I don't remember reading in the history books about Canada/Mexico being pissed that the USA left their continent and went to Europe... No instead the USA came back home and helped make North America even stronger, which now gives Canada and Mexico free protection...

Rastlin
09-23-2013, 12:13 AM
I couldn't agree more . . . CrowOps? What GUILD is that? When people are part of a team and then exhibit behavior that is clearly selfish, the destruction of the team is inevitable. For those gemmers that left their guilds behind, good luck maintaining the relationships you've created. Once the trust is gone, so is the relationship. How do your mates know you won't leave them again? Or maybe you just don't care . . .Humm yeah poor Mom and Kid's when Dad has to leave and go to work to pay the bills.... No instead they gain from the hard work like a family does....

Vendetta V
09-23-2013, 12:21 AM
Just like World War I and II, Countries and Guilds had to come together to win. I don't remember reading in the history books about Canada/Mexico being pissed that the USA left their continent and went to Europe... No instead the USA came back home and helped make North America even stronger, which now gives Canada and Mexico free protection...

IMO, When this matter is discussed in your guilds and everybody agreed, it's ok, if your members who you left behind wanted to continue with the event, but couldn't because your guys came together with the other players, than it's not..

I don't think your above example fits the subject. comparing world wars with a simple Iphone game...:confused:...
"Real strategy" compared with "how many gems can you spend" ....hmhm... btw, I'm a gem spender and I also jump when needed to other guilds to help them FYI....

Furthermore, it's not of my further concern, of course all committed members are welcome in our guild ;) hehehehehehe!

leek
09-23-2013, 12:39 AM
Just like World War I and II, Countries and Guilds had to come together to win. I don't remember reading in the history books about Canada/Mexico being pissed that the USA left their continent and went to Europe... No instead the USA came back home and helped make North America even stronger, which now gives Canada and Mexico free protection...

For someone who has previously left SB and joined MoC and probably one of those who left MoC and banded together with others for individual glory in this raid boss event, spare the excuses. There is no dignity in victory.

In fact, why leave SB in the first place? You've just gone full circle and back. Caaww

Also, Mexico and Canada weren't pissed with USA. They just don't give a s.h.it to what's beyond their borders. I think that's how some of the MoC folks think of you now.

LegoLass
09-23-2013, 01:04 AM
Humm yeah poor Mom and Kid's when Dad has to leave and go to work to pay the bills.... No instead they gain from the hard work like a family does....

Weak....how does your guild gain from your selfishness? Don't bother to compare what you did to a person legitimately supporting a family. We all know the difference.

Rastlin
09-23-2013, 01:50 AM
Weak....how does your guild gain from your selfishness?
Well since about 18 of us CrowOp'ed, now 18 of us have higher stats which means less points guilds can get from trying to attack us in wars. With the new win consecutively model GREE has made, this helps our guild greatly. Yeah sounds pretty weak doesn't it...

Bim
09-23-2013, 02:28 AM
Dutch Guild (DG) completed Normal mode and got the unit

[JAG] Ryan
09-23-2013, 02:33 AM
Ok Guys, I see, there is a need of some explanation in relation to the achievement of the Black Ops/MoC finishing.

As some may already known, Black Ops 1 is rebuilding after a few guys left to some T3 Guilds. As our requirements are not that low we had and have a reduced roster.

Anyway, our Core has finished the Raid Boss on Normal and up to almost 2/3 of Hero Mode alone. MoC has done the same within their Guild. I know we could have finished on our own and I am confident MoC too.

Now, as the stat Boost was added to the final reward of Hero Mode during the Quest, we have done some more detailed Estimation of the required HP Kills to go. Therefore we looked to enter a joint venture allowing us all to reduce the spending’s on our way to the finish of H.

The Joint Venture for the Event was found in the Core Team of MoC and a few single players and friends from other Guilds, who all joined Black Ops 1. If you want to call it Crows Ops or anyhow else, or if you want to write down BO1 and MoC, I am fine with that, as next to the other players, both core teams have done a terrific job and have build the big majority of all.

Well, I don't see anything wrong about this. Many Guilds today have a mixed structure of free/light to moderate and heavy gem spenders. I see many people jumping to other Guilds if they see that their original guild is not able to finish a particular event. If those players gain in stats and return to their "home", this also means a higher value for the entire team.

On the other side, Black Ops 1 has and will help other Guilds too. We have done so very much in previous Events, but of course our family Guilds and friends come first.

However, the entire Event was tough and we had a lot of fun. I would like to congratulate all teams who have achieved this and to give a big thanks to all who helped Black Ops. Special appreciation goes to MoC. You Guys have rocked!

As this thread has a different Topic, this is my first and last post in relation to this issue. If anyone wants to know more or anything in particular, feel free to send me a pm or visit me on Groupme/Kakao.

Once again Congrats to all teams who finished, either Normal or Hero Mode!

finallyfree
09-23-2013, 03:34 AM
Back to topic, Congratulation to all who finish normal or both! ;)

It's all a dream
09-23-2013, 03:44 AM
definetly gratz! (if only i had my unit yet to take him for a spin ;))

and Gree you had your fun, now please make a realistic raid boss next time. the time/money/gems needed to finish this (and maybe other events) is not sustainable in the long term. thanks for listening to our constructive feedback :)

s.m.p
09-23-2013, 05:13 AM
Sir SMP completed normal mode

leek
09-23-2013, 07:15 AM
I apologise for digressing on the original thread, frustration on how people could rationalise their betrayal got the better of me. To all the guilds that left no man behind in the raid boss event, no matter how far you’ve went, you are a winner in every way. If you have gone all the way and achieved the ultimate feat, that’s the icing on the cake.

I enjoy the competitiveness of the game but the social aspect is what really endears me to it. Team camaraderie painstakingly built over a long time can be easily destroyed overnight. I’m sure the jumpers may in some way face a moral dilemma about returning to their original guild (or maybe not). Yes, you may be stronger but your team is only as strong as your weakest link.

Lastly, I want to commend an outstanding team player who has demonstrated exceptional humility and leadership in this event. That special someone is you, Tiki.

Bohemian
09-23-2013, 08:36 AM
Wow, congrats to all who finish heroic.
Me, i better buy myself new iphone or something more useful.. 🙊

The Good Doctor
09-23-2013, 08:54 AM
I apologise for digressing on the original thread, frustration on how people could rationalise their betrayal got the better of me. To all the guilds that left no man behind in the raid boss event, no matter how far youíve went, you are a winner in every way. If you have gone all the way and achieved the ultimate feat, thatís the icing on the cake.

I enjoy the competitiveness of the game but the social aspect is what really endears me to it. Team camaraderie painstakingly built over a long time can be easily destroyed overnight. Iím sure the jumpers may in some way face a moral dilemma about returning to their original guild (or maybe not). Yes, you may be stronger but your team is only as strong as your weakest link.

Lastly, I want to commend an outstanding team player who has demonstrated exceptional humility and leadership in this event. That special someone is you, Tiki.

Thank you for apologizing for digressing from the original post, only to continue to digress more from the original post.

I am a free player in MoC and I am perfectly at ease with the decision of our gem spenders to join forces with BOs to obtain that massive reward. It does make us stronger as a whole, much more than it would have if we all stayed home and not completed the event. We all owe a big debt of gratitude to our gemmers who get us numerous rewards that we would otherwise have no chance to obtain. If they would like a shot at the big prize like this last one then I am all for it.

P4TR1C14N
09-23-2013, 10:46 AM
Congratz to all winners. Nevertheless i keep saying what i said at first day... This event was not balanced... Heroic was made for max 1000 ppl in whole ka community. Thats not healthy...

AllFather Odin
09-23-2013, 10:55 AM
Congrats to you all and the ones that came up close. We quit midway through heroic. Just not worth it as it's mountains and countries of gems needed...

Zenobia
09-23-2013, 11:09 AM
Congrats on the achievement. Not trying to take anything away but...
I think it is blatantly clear that you ARE in fact trying to take away from the victory. Please don't lie to us to make yourself feel better about your obvious bile and bitterness. Putting that at the beginning of your diatribe against us does not negate that it is, in fact, a diatribe against us.

To you and LegoLass I say if you are in one of the guilds in question, then please voice your concerns in those guild chats. If you are not, it is none of your business what feelings MoC and BO1 members have and your judgmentalism is totally uncalled for.

For the record, I am not going to get into the specifics but had the temporary coalition not taken place, MoC would have gained a total (boosted) stat boost of 3.5 million from that point. Because it did take place, MoC gained a total (boosted) stat boost of almost 10 million from that point. The plan was acceptable to by far the majority of MoC. If any members of MoC are now bitter that their personal stats did not jump as much as others, even though MoC as a WHOLE is 6.5million better off than if it had not happened, then, again, I would hope they keep discussion of this internal. One of the rules of MoC is that we NOT air our dirty laundry outside the guild.

Congrats to every guild and coalition that completed regular and especially to those who completed the extremely difficult heroic quest.

P4TR1C14N
09-23-2013, 11:36 AM
I think it is blatantly clear that you ARE in fact trying to take away from the victory. Please don't lie to us to make yourself feel better about your obvious bile and bitterness. Putting that at the beginning of your diatribe against us does not negate that it is, in fact, a diatribe against us.

To you and LegoLass I say if you are in one of the guilds in question, then please voice your concerns in those guild chats. If you are not, it is none of your business what feelings MoC and BO1 members have and your judgmentalism is totally uncalled for.

For the record, I am not going to get into the specifics but had the temporary coalition not taken place, MoC would have gained a total (boosted) stat boost of 3.5 million from that point. Because it did take place, MoC gained a total (boosted) stat boost of almost 10 million from that point. The plan was acceptable to by far the majority of MoC. If any members of MoC are now bitter that their personal stats did not jump as much as others, even though MoC as a WHOLE is 6.5million better off than if it had not happened, then, again, I would hope they keep discussion of this internal. One of the rules of MoC is that we NOT air our dirty laundry outside the guild.

Congrats to every guild and coalition that completed regular and especially to those who completed the extremely difficult heroic quest.

No need to get wounded up. Every guild decides how they play and which tactic they use. Every player decides how he plays. Congratz to every winner... As it proves the tactic did work.

But it's a pitty that gree goes so far imho that guilds need to decide to work together to be able to finsih the quest. We need to keep in mind that gree started guilds so that guilds could compete..now its more... How to defeat the system instead of the core off.

But moc and bo nicely did it... Big respect. Just do it... Huge achievement.

Zenobia
09-23-2013, 11:53 AM
... it's a pitty that gree goes so far imho that guilds need to decide to work together to be able to finsih the quest. We need to keep in mind that gree started guilds so that guilds could compete..now its more... How to defeat the system instead of the core off.
You really did hit the nail on the head, there. Almost everything about playing the game these days is about how to beat the system, not how to get far within the boundaries as they try to set them up. And that is a shame.

On the other hand, I know I am not alone is thinking that I actually really enjoy the way our reactions to the game changes has steered us towards working WITH other guilds outside wars. When guilds were created, it gave us a chance to really get to know our guildmates well, which is a GREAT Thing. But as a lot of us started communicating intra-guild a lot, communication amongst the KA community as a whole began to stagnate. Too much intra- and not enough inter-guild communication leads to isolation. Now that many guilds work with each other to complete quests, I really LIKE being "forced" to get to know these other people!

Dogs Pizza
09-23-2013, 12:12 PM
those that are complaining about not getting the final prize while some of their guildmates did need to wake up. This event was about how many gemmers you could pack into one guild and how much those gemmers were willing to spend. I ran the numbers and for my guild to finish it each gemmer would have had to use 10k gems or so, knowing this I and another guy jumped over to LON along with 10 other heavy gemmers from a couple other guilds. Still used over 2 mountains just doing the final 4 levels of heroic, others spent way more.

This quest was poorly designed on Gree's part. There is no reason for them to be this hard. Gree wants more people to buy gems, but hesitant gem players are not going to all of the sudden decide to drop $1000 bucks on gems (with no sale on!) when they could easily spend that much and still fall well short of finishing.

Munseyspin
09-23-2013, 12:36 PM
Great effort by those who completed this and good thinking by those guilds that worked together to get the heroic prize.


It's a bit tongue in cheek though to say you did it for the good of the guild. The unit had a defensive boost, and at war time, defensively, a guild is only as strong as its weakest member. Especially as within a few hours a top guilds stats are invariably posted in shared intel rooms with a gun pointing at the weakest! Unless of course just before the heroic prize was won the weakest players were moved in to pick up the unit in which case, bravo that's proper team work.

Cola3
09-23-2013, 01:02 PM
There's a BIG difference between players who leave their Guild for a "better guild" to gain better prizes and players who temporary leaves their guild to gain prizes for the betterment of his guild. Day and Night....Comes back vs. never comes back......get it??

Munseyspin
09-23-2013, 01:14 PM
Get it, and agree, thank goodness they came back! But in war the weakest player gets hit, a lot. The opportunity was there to strengthen these weakest players. They won't now be as strong as they could be, will they?

Like I said in my first statement. I fully respect and understand the decision, if I were in a guild where heavy gemmers wanted to do this I'd say go for it. It's there money. However in my opinion the guild as a whole would have been stronger in a war situation if they had n't, as the weakest players would now be stronger.

Zenobia
09-23-2013, 01:18 PM
Get it, and agree, thank goodness they came back! But in war the weakest player gets hit, a lot. The opportunity was there to strengthen these weakest players. They won't now be as strong as they could be, will they?.

Actually, it is the highest level players with relatively weak stats who get hit the most. Those who are "weaker" are lower-level so don't get hit as much, and when they do get hit they yield fewer points. So improving the stats of high-level targets is most beneficial to the guild in terms of preventing other teams from gaining a lot of CP. If a bunch of our high-level players who were hittable are now not, and our opponents now have to hit lower-level targets for fewer CP, that helps the guild more than our "weakest" players, who are lower-level players beefing up.

NinjaHonu
09-23-2013, 01:20 PM
Thank you for apologizing for digressing from the original post, only to continue to digress more from the original post.

I am a free player in MoC and I am perfectly at ease with the decision of our gem spenders to join forces with BOs to obtain that massive reward. It does make us stronger as a whole, much more than it would have if we all stayed home and not completed the event. We all owe a big debt of gratitude to our gemmers who get us numerous rewards that we would otherwise have no chance to obtain. If they would like a shot at the big prize like this last one then I am all for it.

You have the right attitude my friend. Every free player should read this.

Munseyspin
09-23-2013, 01:23 PM
Great, and genuinely well done.

leek
09-23-2013, 04:38 PM
Congrats GREE, you have managed to drive a wedge into the top 25/50 teams. Perhaps you should consider making this event twice as hard the next time round. I'm sure we may witness yet another multi-inter guild project of grandiose proportions. We'll just see how low some could go.

shaman01
09-23-2013, 05:28 PM
buff the top 10 reward and add a top 5 reward. the biggest spenders in each guild may leave their guilds and merge permanently with other big spenders

Shazam
09-23-2013, 05:29 PM
Actually, it is the highest level players with relatively weak stats who get hit the most. Those who are "weaker" are lower-level so don't get hit as much, and when they do get hit they yield fewer points. So improving the stats of high-level targets is most beneficial to the guild in terms of preventing other teams from gaining a lot of CP. If a bunch of our high-level players who were hittable are now not, and our opponents now have to hit lower-level targets for fewer CP, that helps the guild more than our "weakest" players, who are lower-level players beefing up.

I remember MoC less than six months ago vowing not to spend gems any more. 😂😂😂

Now they just do it outside of their guild!

Joining up with others to achieve the prize IMO has merit, but delivering the prize for the whole guild...priceless!

leek
09-23-2013, 05:35 PM
Joining up with others to achieve the prize IMO has merit, but delivering the prize for the whole guild...priceless!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Swede
09-24-2013, 02:57 AM
Strength & Honor also completed normal

Skyraiders
09-24-2013, 09:40 AM
Congrats on the achievement. Not trying to take anything away but its inevitable that gem spenders in both guilds want to band together to complete the quest. Though I'm sure it involves some sacrificial lambs along the way. Not sure what it says about teamwork when others are left behind. IMO it says a lot....

Team trust when broken is like a broken mirror. No matter how perfectly you piece it back together, the cracks still show. It could be someone today but could be you the next.

WHAAAAAA!


I couldn't agree more . . . CrowOps? What GUILD is that? When people are part of a team and then exhibit behavior that is clearly selfish, the destruction of the team is inevitable. For those gemmers that left their guilds behind, good luck maintaining the relationships you've created. Once the trust is gone, so is the relationship. How do your mates know you won't leave them again? Or maybe you just don't care . . .

BOO...HOO!!!


Hi pendentive, Iím sorry if I went off topic but your original thread was about which guilds completed this tremendously difficult raid boss event. A collective of heavy gem players leaving their original guild and forming together to complete this event is not a guild per se. CrowOps is not a guild; a coalition of WTP/Guild X/Guild YÖ is not a guild. They are merely opportunistic individuals who sense something is amiss with the clock ticking down. The ones who would not hesitate to leave a dagger in your back and then return smiling to the guild with their prized trophy and pretend nothing has ever happened. I would even ask why they bother returning when they could stay with their same ilk. Trust Gree to bring out the ugliest animal instinct in mankind.

P.S. I was getting more inflammatory towards the end but I do understand the view point of those who left to pursue individual honours. ď

Still crying??


For someone who has previously left SB and joined MoC and probably one of those who left MoC and banded together with others for individual glory in this raid boss event, spare the excuses. There is no dignity in victory.

In fact, why leave SB in the first place? You've just gone full circle and back. Caaww

Also, Mexico and Canada weren't pissed with USA. They just don't give a s.h.it to what's beyond their borders. I think that's how some of the MoC folks think of you now.

hmmmm....yep....still chirping


Weak....how does your guild gain from your selfishness? Don't bother to compare what you did to a person legitimately supporting a family. We all know the difference.

the relevance of this statement??


Couldn't have said it better myself.

But you didnt say it .....

were you in our guild chat when we made the decision...oh yeah thats right your not a member of MOC....i also dont seem to recall how this effects you in anyway......dont judge others before you know all the facts!!

Thanks to both of you for sounding.......intellegent....no that wasnt it....hmmmm.....forget it not worth it!! HAVE A NICE DAY!!!

Shazam
09-24-2013, 05:10 PM
WHAAAAAA!



BOO...HOO!!!



Still crying??



hmmmm....yep....still chirping



the relevance of this statement??



But you didnt say it .....

were you in our guild chat when we made the decision...oh yeah thats right your not a member of MOC....i also dont seem to recall how this effects you in anyway......dont judge others before you know all the facts!!

Thanks to both of you for sounding.......intellegent....no that wasnt it....hmmmm.....forget it not worth it!! HAVE A NICE DAY!!!

Sky. You posted your achievement on a public forum. Of course people are going to comment!

If you wanted this to stay in your guild then why post here? Erm...intelligent?

Rastlin
09-24-2013, 05:36 PM
Sky. You posted your achievement on a public forum. Of course people are going to comment!

If you wanted this to stay in your guild then why post here? Erm...intelligent?
Right!!! It was an Achievement!!!! But instead we have received insults from those on here that are NOT in our guild complaining about how we did it. Sorry, but we out played GREE on this one. So people need to stop being jealous about it, and trying to create/pretend there are problems within MoC when there isn't any. We are a Hybrid Guild that wants the best for ALL of our members.

From what I have read here is: "oh no! I hope the gemmers (the ones that have paid for my wins in wars, and got me as high as I get in guild quests) in my XYZ guild don't try BO1 and MoC's idea since it worked... who will keep paying for me if they do? I hope my idea if I threaten my trust in them will be gone works, as I am afraid they will see me for the complaining freeloader I am...."

LegoLass
09-24-2013, 07:36 PM
So people need to stop being jealous about it, and trying to create/pretend there are problems within MoC when there isn't any.

I assumed there were problems when Zenobia said, "One of the rules of MoC is that we NOT air our dirty laundry outside the guild."

That implies there is a problem.

And for the record, I am not a freeloader.

finallyfree
09-24-2013, 08:11 PM
Everything about MoC is important in this forum!!!

As I recalled from some topic. :rolleyes:

Anyway, you guys and gals achieve it, enjoy it!

And have FUN this weekend.... again.. :cool:

Skyraiders
09-24-2013, 08:22 PM
Sky. You posted your achievement on a public forum. Of course people are going to comment!

If you wanted this to stay in your guild then why post here? Erm...intelligent?

I did not post our achievement ...but stand by all my guild mates......free and gemmers alike......

Skyraiders
09-24-2013, 08:24 PM
I assumed there were problems when Zenobia said, "One of the rules of MoC is that we NOT air our dirty laundry outside the guild."

That implies there is a problem.

And for the record, I am not a freeloader.

It was a statement more the a truism.....I know your not a freeloader .....as I seem to recall you applied to MOC.....

Skyraiders
09-24-2013, 08:26 PM
Everything about MoC is important in this forum!!!

As I recalled from some topic. :rolleyes:

Anyway, you guys and gals achieve it, enjoy it!

And have FUN this weekend.... again.. :cool:

Lol.....we always have fun can't you tell???.....I am sure you will learn all about it....LMAO....go easy on our GG if we meet in battle....lol

aphroKEN
09-24-2013, 08:39 PM
While working with other guilds to earn the heroic guild reward may make certain members of the guild stronger, they have also made members of other guilds who worked with them to earn the reward stronger as well.

In the end the argument "some of our members are now stronger" is negated by the fact that some members in competing guilds also got stronger.

Rastlin
09-24-2013, 09:12 PM
I assumed there were problems when Zenobia said, "One of the rules of MoC is that we NOT air our dirty laundry outside the guild."

That implies there is a problem.

And for the record, I am not a freeloader.
Glad you are not. Also Zenobia was stating our rules, so she thoug you guys would have understood you were not reading anything from MoC in the complaint dept...Guess she was wrong on how you took it.

Rastlin
09-24-2013, 09:16 PM
LMAO....go easy on our GG if we meet in battle....lol
Yes please leave our GG alone... Poor guy has already had to deal with us ALL week! ;)

Rastlin
09-24-2013, 09:19 PM
While working with other guilds to earn the heroic guild reward may make certain members of the guild stronger, they have also made members of other guilds who worked with them to earn the reward stronger as well.

In the end the argument "some of our members are now stronger" is negated by the fact that some members in competing guilds also got stronger.
Yes 1 guild out of the over 1,500. You are correct!

Rastlin
09-24-2013, 09:42 PM
No. It was Black Ops, us, and then like 3 others people from the outside.

Big spenders have been moving around for a long time, so I do not think this made any impact on that happening.

aphroKEN
09-25-2013, 12:00 AM
More and more guilds will resort to working together in the future. The long term effect will be interesting.

Weaker upper-tier guilds are forced to do this to remain competitive. The ones that receive the short end of the stick are the free and lowly spenders in all of those guilds. Eventually members within the same guilds will have too large of a stat gap that it makes it pointless for the low stat and high stat players to be in the same guild. These guilds may disband. Big spenders in that guild may join the big spenders of other guilds. The free/light players of different guilds form their own guilds.

That is the outcome I think this sort of behaviour will lead to.

Rustica
09-25-2013, 04:56 AM
When the top scorers in the upper guilds get together after they get tired of carrying dead weight, they could easily have a guild that could put them into serious contention for the #2 and 3 spots, without even increasing their usual CP haul.

shaman01
09-25-2013, 09:42 AM
Yes 1 guild out of the over 1,500. You are correct!

if it were 10 or more guilds in the concerted effort, you and your brethren would still have did the same. if it were hundreds of guilds forming multiple coalitions, you and your brethren would still have did the same. be honest. you mainly thought about the reward and gave very little thought to the possible consequences when you made the decision.

Zenobia
09-25-2013, 10:27 AM
if it were 10 or more guilds in the concerted effort, you and your brethren would still have did the same. if it were hundreds of guilds forming multiple coalitions, you and your brethren would still have did the same. be honest. you mainly thought about the reward and gave very little thought to the possible consequences when you made the decision.

Did you not read my post about the comparative analysis we did of the project, showing the difference between the overall stats gain for the guild for completing the project vs everyone sitting put? Or do you fail to understand that 10mil >> 3.5mil?

Is that REALLY so difficult for everyone out there apparently obsessed with the inner workings of our guild to understand? Or does every outsider in this thread just want so badly to think ill of MoC members for some reason that they will grasp at any straw to do so?

shaman01
09-25-2013, 11:18 AM
Did you not read my post about the comparative analysis we did of the project, showing the difference between the overall stats gain for the guild for completing the project vs everyone sitting put? Or do you fail to understand that 10mil >> 3.5mil?

Is that REALLY so difficult for everyone out there apparently obsessed with the inner workings of our guild to understand? Or does every outsider in this thread just want so badly to think ill of MoC members for some reason that they will grasp at any straw to do so?

i think aphro says something correct. when the stats difference for members in your guild become too big, the members will begin to drift apart. i think that is the biggest danger of your "strategy"

Sydonia
09-25-2013, 12:56 PM
i think aphro says something correct. when the stats difference for members in your guild become too big, the members will begin to drift apart. i think that is the biggest danger of your "strategy"

Or it makes the guild even tighter because everyone get what they want !?
If heavy spenders feel they are pulling too much weight in a guild it will break up regardless of stat difference. Fortunately there are players that value the social aspect of guilds more than the stats they could have gained elsewhere. But when an opportunity arise where some members can gain a unit like this when the alternative would be that noone would get it, then its an easy choice and a choice that most likely is endorsed by everyone in the guild (can't say since I wasn't there). To me it seems like MoC is one of the strongest guilds measured on the social aspect, so I wouldn't worry too much about them splitting up :)

mighty mackenzie
09-25-2013, 01:54 PM
Sb2, sb3 and USA SB and MDZ SB finished normal

The Good Doctor
09-25-2013, 02:25 PM
Or it makes the guild even tighter because everyone get what they want !?
If heavy spenders feel they are pulling too much weight in a guild it will break up regardless of stat difference. Fortunately there are players that value the social aspect of guilds more than the stats they could have gained elsewhere. But when an opportunity arise where some members can gain a unit like this when the alternative would be that noone would get it, then its an easy choice and a choice that most likely is endorsed by everyone in the guild (can't say since I wasn't there). To me it seems like MoC is one of the strongest guilds measured on the social aspect, so I wouldn't worry too much about them splitting up :)

BINGO!! Someone gets it! Hats of to you. One thing I will say about MoC since joining them is they think and strategize about all aspects of the game.

Cola3
09-25-2013, 02:27 PM
To me it seems like MoC is one of the strongest guilds measured on the social aspect, so I wouldn't worry too much about them splitting up :)

Very strong words there.