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AllFather Odin
09-17-2013, 10:03 PM
After seeing your event and then the assumption that we would have to beat a 2.1billion hp level 100 Raid boss in 15mins, some of our members retired right on the spot. It has becoming too obvious that you are ripping us of our money at this point. If we don't do the quest then you'll miss out on massive stat boost and become a piņata for the upcoming war.

You also didn't give us an option of buying gems for a discounted price! Wonderful job, Gree!

Voxker
09-17-2013, 10:35 PM
It seems, generally speaking that there is way to much hatred towards Gree for no reason, they had many bugs in this new Raid boss yes but they also fixed most of them in a short amount of time... at the end of the day, Kingdom Age is still a game.

leek
09-17-2013, 11:13 PM
It seems, generally speaking that there is way to much hatred towards Gree for no reason, they had many bugs in this new Raid boss yes but they also fixed most of them in a short amount of time... at the end of the day, Kingdom Age is still a game.

Hmm...are you a Gree mole?

Zokudo
09-17-2013, 11:25 PM
I second all opinion GREE you are exploiting your customer. Is good business sense to make money off your customer, but once you make it too obvious that you are ripping them off most will run. Thus, in the long run you will loose out more. Suggest GREE rebook into the difficulty level of current raid boss event a 20% step up in difficulty will be enough for you to make a lot of money. But understand greed got no limit...

Voxker
09-18-2013, 01:35 AM
Hmm...are you a Gree mole?

no, people are overracting over a game a little too excessively. they freak out over the smallest mistakes that Gree makes.

Person
09-18-2013, 02:00 AM
no, people are overracting over a game a little too excessively. they freak out over the smallest mistakes that Gree makes.
guess you arent one of the several hundred people who have spent several K on this game :)

Jerusalem
09-18-2013, 02:12 AM
no, people are overracting over a game a little too excessively. they freak out over the smallest mistakes that Gree makes.

I think it's quite natural to be upset with Gree, considering their incorrigible clumsiness. And while some may overreact, there are plenty of others who may justifiably choose to quit the game entirely. It's just a matter of time before people opt for the latter.

I recall when I first discovered this forum that the threads were imbued with a sense of enjoyment of the "game". Now look at it. It's become nothing more than a forum for airing grievances, and justifiably so. And the reason has less to do with people getting histrionic and manic-depressive and more to do with what Gree is continually doing wrong.

At this rate, I can imagine in a few months that Gree will have to shut down this forum solely because it will purely serve as a testament to its failures and a proper notice to all beginners of the game that all Gree is selling is a waste of time and money.

Dirt road Joe
09-18-2013, 02:20 AM
I think it's quite natural to be upset with Gree, considering their incorrigible clumsiness. And while some may overreact, there are plenty of others who may justifiably choose to quit the game entirely. It's just a matter of time before people opt for the latter.

I recall when I first discovered this forum that the threads were imbued with a sense of enjoyment of the "game". Now look at it. It's become nothing more than a forum for airing grievances, and justifiably so. And the reason has less to do with people getting histrionic and manic-depressive and more to do with what Gree is continually doing wrong.

At this rate, I can imagine in a few months that Gree will have to shut down this forum solely because it will purely serve as a testament to its failures and a proper notice to all beginners of the game that all Gree is selling is a waste of time and money.

Thank you for this.

alonibb
09-18-2013, 02:25 AM
Gree does not running this well, we are all knowing that. There are too many bugs and lack of communication to be acceptable.

However... I dont really understand why you shout at them for having hard quests. Its the same for all players. I think many of you are spoiled in a way that you count on allways manage all quests, and when you cant its Grees fault. Last Raid boss my guild stopped at lvl 23 because we couldnt take on a lvl 100. Thats part of the game and sometimes you have to accept that you cant allways win.

Fenway Frank
09-18-2013, 04:40 AM
I brought 3 mountains of gems last raid event and a lot of my guild did the same, because although it was alot easier it still required gems to finish. after 1 look at the difficulty of this event I decided no gems, no money for Gree and i am sure a lot of others did the same

Bohemian
09-18-2013, 05:00 AM
Ridiculous raid boss Hp, Amen to top2 request for change (reward),...
+ 1, no more gems.

Skyraiders
09-18-2013, 05:05 AM
well when fun finished the last raid boss in an hour it was ecpected they would make it harder.....the problem is they made it to hard for most guilds.....but dont worry FUN will still finish in an hour so i expect the next boss will be somewhere around 100 bill HP......got to make it hard for everyone

E-I
09-18-2013, 06:01 AM
6m damage required to get a loot drop on boss 60. Wow, this is going to suck for a lot of low stat players. This event will be a complete waste of time for them. The rewards aren't that great though, so they aren't missing much.

Alexius
09-18-2013, 06:18 AM
I don't know what the uproar is about. You get a free gem everyday by visiting tap joy. If you're diligent you can defeat the level 100 raid boss in 18 months easily if everyone is active.

AllFather Odin
09-18-2013, 08:00 AM
well when fun finished the last raid boss in an hour it was ecpected they would make it harder.....the problem is they made it to hard for most guilds.....but dont worry FUN will still finish in an hour so i expect the next boss will be somewhere around 100 bill HP......got to make it hard for everyone

It's more like this:

They make it 'challenging' for the top 10 guilds. (with little to no gemming)
They make it 'hard' for the next top 20 guilds. (with good amount of gemming)
They make it 'impossible' for the next 20 guilds. (with lots of gemming)
They bury the other guilds. (gotta mortgage your house to gem)

AllFather Odin
09-18-2013, 08:06 AM
My other point is this: How in the world can they get new players to come and enjoy this game? IMO, only the epic monster event and box events can be complete by newbies.

Guido69
09-18-2013, 08:09 AM
So you all want that low level players with low stats who are in a low ranked guild all get the 60k/60k unit?

Why have a game then if everybody gets it?

I honestly think despite all what is wrong with Gree that they at least got the difficulty right this time.

AllFather Odin
09-18-2013, 08:22 AM
So you all want that low level players with low stats who are in a low ranked guild all get the 60k/60k unit?

Why have a game then if everybody gets it?

I honestly think despite all what is wrong with Gree that they at least got the difficulty right this time.

No, you make it difficult for the low level player. But don't make it almost 0% chance for them!

Ssne
09-18-2013, 08:29 AM
No, you make it difficult for the low level player. But don't make it almost 0% chance for them!

It's not almost zero. It is zero. You have to have dozens of high stat players in your guild and lots of gems to put down a 2.1B HP boss in 15 mins. 50 players with 2M attack who are all online and awake in that 15 minute timeframe would require 4 power attacks each.

VVolf
09-18-2013, 09:26 AM
It's not almost zero. It is zero. You have to have dozens of high stat players in your guild and lots of gems to put down a 2.1B HP boss in 15 mins. 50 players with 2M attack who are all online and awake in that 15 minute timeframe would require 4 power attacks each.

I don't know if your math is correct... but 75 gems for a 60k/60k unit? I think thats the best deal I have ever seen from GREE. It's not impossible... it may be harder the lower lvl and stats you are, but games are always designed to be harder for newer players, and players who don't spend as much time and money as others.

What other game has people who have just started out, only casually play, and then and complaining that they can't beat the lvl 100 end game bosses?

I'm not saying GREE doesn't have problems, or that they are right, but this logic just doesn't make sense...

willb125
09-18-2013, 09:37 AM
You can shear a sheep over and over again, but you can skin him only once.

Everyone's definition of being skinned is different, but Gree is finding a way to skin A LOT of gem users.

Ryosaeba
09-19-2013, 11:29 AM
After seeing your event and then the assumption that we would have to beat a 2.1billion hp level 100 Raid boss in 15mins, some of our members retired right on the spot. It has becoming too obvious that you are ripping us of our money at this point. If we don't do the quest then you'll miss out on massive stat boost and become a piņata for the upcoming war.

You also didn't give us an option of buying gems for a discounted price! Wonderful job, Gree!

First of all, you don't HAVE to finish quests. That's the way it is designed. I'm a free player and I hardly finish any quests (because some are not possible without gems), and I'm fine with that. With FUN winning every single battle, it is clear that this game has the motto "the more you spend, the more you win." It's that simple. Unless you're ready to spend the same amount of money FUN does, you shouldn't be complaining. If you can't accept it, go play another game that doesn't have the same motto (although it is kinda rare and hard to find these days).

If you're mad at this, then you should be mad at how the battles are fought as well! I mean FUN wins every single battle with the top 5 pretty much the same few guilds. They are also getting massive boosts from the prizes that no other guilds are, and rightly so because they dump money into it. It is crystal clear that this game is here to show how rich you are, not how skillful you are.

If you really don't like it, vote with your wallet and stop buying gems, or heck, stop playing all together like other people!

larrydavid
09-19-2013, 11:35 AM
First of all, you don't HAVE to finish quests. That's the way it is designed. I'm a free player and I hardly finish any quests (because some are not possible without gems), and I'm fine with that. With FUN winning every single battle, it is clear that this game has the motto "the more you spend, the more you win." It's that simple. Unless you're ready to spend the same amount of money FUN does, you shouldn't be complaining. If you can't accept it, go play another game that doesn't have the same motto (although it is kinda rare and hard to find these days).

If you're mad at this, then you should be mad at how the battles are fought as well! I mean FUN wins every single battle with the top 5 pretty much the same few guilds. They are also getting massive boosts from the prizes that no other guilds are, and rightly so because they dump money into it. It is crystal clear that this game is here to show how rich you are, not how skillful you are.

If you really don't like it, vote with your wallet and stop buying gems, or heck, stop playing all together like other people!


How about you just pretend the top 5 or 10 guilds don't exist. That is what I do and it makes it a lot more enjoyable. :)

Ryosaeba
09-19-2013, 11:36 AM
So you all want that low level players with low stats who are in a low ranked guild all get the 60k/60k unit?

The problem is that it is already possible. Not this exact unit but others with high stats by way of Guild LTQ. We have a L23 player with 600k stats. Another was talking about a L50 player with 2 mill stats.

The units should have some kind of requirement to be active. Whether it be level, skill points, monsters killed or whatever combination. This game has become so unbalanced that I don't think even Gree knows what to do. It's just gone completely out of hand.

Ryosaeba
09-19-2013, 11:37 AM
How about you just pretend the top 5 or 10 guilds don't exist. That is what I do and it makes it a lot more enjoyable. :)

There's actually some truth to that because the guild wars are setup in a way that a top 1000 guild won't get matched with FUN.

LegoLass
09-19-2013, 06:51 PM
I don't know what the uproar is about. You get a free gem everyday by visiting tap joy. If you're diligent you can defeat the level 100 raid boss in 18 months easily if everyone is active.

Hilarious!

Muddy
09-19-2013, 08:26 PM
1. Buy game company with good game engine
2. Spend money on advertising
3. Create 3-5 games on the same engine with different skins (theme)
4. Make money
5. When your income is going down you have to give your players more expensive services
6. Make money
7. When your income is less then you spend give more expensive services
8. Make money and wait when all are gone
9. Change skin and start from 4 (have advertising in another 3-5 games)

For you it is game, for developers it is just money.

Voxker
09-19-2013, 08:46 PM
well now that Gree added a +30% beast defence.. may or may not encourage people to finish the quest, but yeah it is ridiculous the amount of HP these bosses have

Vachau
09-20-2013, 04:34 AM
It's a game. Just play the game without the overwhelming desire to get a prize that will cost a lot of money to get. Your guild should be a good time working together to get as far as you can. This Raid Boss was not designed for all of us to finish. It was meant for the Top 10 - 25 big spenders to finish. You are not going to best them in the war anyway. Just have fun and play without spending.

Sigfried
09-20-2013, 08:09 AM
The biggest gem-sucking event in the history of Funzio/Gree and there is not even a 20% sale going on. Our guild is going it gem-free. We won't finish it - but even if we used gems I doubt we could anyway. Not all of the members can afford $200 for gems.

phopjon
09-20-2013, 08:27 AM
I thought the last Raid boss was really fun and interesting. This one is less so. Part of the problem is that it's wayyyyyy too difficult for my tastes, so each guild maxes out 1-2 days into the event and then it's all pen tapping on desk time. The other problem is that it happened to close to the last one. I think this should be an every other war type of event. But it looks like it makes money so oh well.

Nudist
09-20-2013, 08:28 AM
I don't know what the uproar is about. You get a free gem everyday by visiting tap joy. If you're diligent you can defeat the level 100 raid boss in 18 months easily if everyone is active.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!! That's awesome :)

mmalkove
09-20-2013, 09:04 AM
We are having trouble with this one too. Last guild boss event, at least 10 of us bought a mountain of gems to finish. This time we figured it would take several mountains each so we just decided to buy none since none of us have $400 to spend on an iphone game for 1 little event. The real money they require to finish these just got out of hand, I may just become a free player as have the rest of my top 50 guild (Or used to be lol)
So just for our guild, they would have made $1000 keepning it like the last event, now they will get $0. They need to realize making it require MORE gems won't always make them MORE money. Hell if it only took $20 per person to help finish this one I bet they would make A LOT more money. There are thousands of players willing to spend $20 on an event, how many players are willing to spend $400-$500 on 1 event??

Darth Randy
09-20-2013, 09:14 AM
If they wanted to sell gems to the masses and not just the ubers, they would have added a bonus to the normal quest final prize. It wouldn't have had to been 30% but even 10% to anything but machine would have motivated our guild to spend.

Intrance
09-20-2013, 09:17 AM
People forget u still get a 30k unit for finishing normal. Nothing wrong with providing another tier of difficulty for the big boys

Darth Randy
09-20-2013, 09:21 AM
People forget u still get a 30k unit for finishing normal. Nothing wrong with providing another tier of difficulty for the big boys

Without a bonus, it's only OK.

Intrance
09-20-2013, 10:00 AM
Without a bonus, it's only OK.

True. A small bonus would be appropriate

Vendetta V
09-20-2013, 10:43 AM
People forget u still get a 30k unit for finishing normal. Nothing wrong with providing another tier of difficulty for the big boys

The big guys, get a double stat reward, the bonus is completely out of place! Big guys have big stats, so only fair that they have a more difficult tier for them. Anyway. The damage is already done!

Fenway Frank
09-21-2013, 04:03 AM
the problem I have with the difficulty of this event is that the raid bosses are the same strength for all guilds which means the top guilds which are full of players well over 5 million attack have a clear advantage over a guild around 50th which average around 2.5-3 million att stats. So for my guild to finish we would have to spend twice as many gems for the same result.

If the raid bosses strength went off your guilds average att stats, I guess something similar to the guild matching at the start of guild wars then the event would cost a similar amount of gems for all guilds and gree would make more money.

bumpyfunk
09-21-2013, 04:36 AM
We have completely pulled out of the Boss Raid quest.

Skyraiders
09-21-2013, 04:40 AM
the problem I have with the difficulty of this event is that the raid bosses are the same strength for all guilds which means the top guilds which are full of players well over 5 million attack have a clear advantage over a guild around 50th which average around 2.5-3 million att stats. So for my guild to finish we would have to spend twice as many gems for the same result.

If the raid bosses strength went off your guilds average att stats, I guess something similar to the guild matching at the start of guild wars then the event would cost a similar amount of gems for all guilds and gree would make more money.

i was just saying this to my friends.........THIS GREE IS HOW IT SHOULD BE!!!!!!....Based on total guild strength!!!!

Dragon Buster
09-21-2013, 10:43 AM
Never thought I'd be defending GREE, but changing the difficulty based on guild strength punishes the ones who worked hard on their stats and guild bonuses.

However, the rewards should've scaled differently, that's for sure.

If GREE was interested in long term success of the game, they would never put such big emphasis on the top rewards. But they're mostly looking for a quick kill -- "just open up your wallets and we'll give you gazillions of points" :D

But than what's the FUN in overpowering your nearest competition 5 times over? That's exactly why people are leaving, and pretty soon all you have left will be a few giants. And when they get bored showing off their monstrous stats to each other, they'll leave as well. Unfortunately, this is where it's all going...

Dirt road Joe
09-21-2013, 04:04 PM
Never thought I'd be defending GREE, but changing the difficulty based on guild strength punishes the ones who worked hard on their stats and guild bonuses.

However, the rewards should've scaled differently, that's for sure.

If GREE was interested in long term success of the game, they would never put such big emphasis on the top rewards. But they're mostly looking for a quick kill -- "just open up your wallets and we'll give you gazillions of points" :D

But than what's the FUN in overpowering your nearest competition 5 times over? That's exactly why people are leaving, and pretty soon all you have left will be a few giants. And when they get bored showing off their monstrous stats to each other, they'll leave as well. Unfortunately, this is where it's all going...

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?68600-All-my-friends-leaving/page2

Ms Pickles
09-23-2013, 06:47 AM
So much boo hoo. Gree is a large business and I assure you they have lots of business analyst in their Japan office who track statistics and purchasing. Any business will try to maximise profit, and that means trying to 'push boundary' with regard to spender/price elasticity. If enough player leave, they can correlate to certain decision they make and will probably change business decision accordingly - maybe that mean price change. But don't be surprised if making boss harder has result in overall more gems spent from whale player. Small fry like you and friends drop out maybe no big deal in the big picture. You are consumer and can always walk with your feet if you don't like it. Maybe try one of those game on tapjoy videos we all seem to see so often.

Jerusalem
09-23-2013, 09:45 AM
So much boo hoo. Gree is a large business and I assure you they have lots of business analyst in their Japan office who track statistics and purchasing. Any business will try to maximise profit, and that means trying to 'push boundary' with regard to spender/price elasticity. If enough player leave, they can correlate to certain decision they make and will probably change business decision accordingly - maybe that mean price change. But don't be surprised if making boss harder has result in overall more gems spent from whale player. Small fry like you and friends drop out maybe no big deal in the big picture. You are consumer and can always walk with your feet if you don't like it. Maybe try one of those game on tapjoy videos we all seem to see so often.

I agree with your analysis for the most part, Ms. Pickles. But there is a need for players to blow off a little steam in the forum. Without this forum, I'm sure there would be many more empty kingdoms then there already is. And the point of all of this "boo hoo" is to provide feedback to allow Gree to consider player opinions in real time and make changes without first having players abandon the game. After all, there are other valid issues to immediately raise with Gree other than fairness, e.g., bugs in quests and wars, customer support issues, etc.

What1976
09-23-2013, 12:58 PM
It's a game. Just play the game without the overwhelming desire to get a prize that will cost a lot of money to get. Your guild should be a good time working together to get as far as you can. This Raid Boss was not designed for all of us to finish. It was meant for the Top 10 - 25 big spenders to finish. You are not going to best them in the war anyway. Just have fun and play without spending.

That is what i do vachau,

DragCro
09-24-2013, 06:10 AM
During this event at least 5 people from diferent guilds that i know quited playing.
Point of each game or people that play this games is to have fun and together as a team to acomplish something and to be proud on it.
I think its posible to make for people easier events and Gree company to earn money from it.
I dont't like that some events are created just for top 10 teams
What about those that have lower stats and can't do any damage to raid boss,how they can have a chance to finish this event.
Their chance to finish is brought to 0.
Give chance for each ranking guild from llp guilds to top guilds to finish this. Adjust dificulty on tiers or make event easier for every player on Ka.
This can be done !

Max Power
09-24-2013, 08:36 AM
Ity really doesn't bother me that they come up with an event that is practically impossible to finish. It's not like we should have the guarantee that we can finish every event. The biggest spenders will get the farthest, as always, and get the most, as always. Not being able to finish doesn't change that.

I don't understand why people would quit over that. As a mostly non-spender, I am used to not finishing events. Life goes on.

dookie
09-25-2013, 03:40 AM
I have noticed an awful lot of people quitting over gem usage and the increased amount you would have to spend to complete them....

Vendetta V
09-25-2013, 04:10 AM
Ity really doesn't bother me that they come up with an event that is practically impossible to finish. It's not like we should have the guarantee that we can finish every event. The biggest spenders will get the farthest, as always, and get the most, as always. Not being able to finish doesn't change that.

I don't understand why people would quit over that. As a mostly non-spender, I am used to not finishing events. Life goes on.

The main difference is, before you could finish a quest by spending USD30, now a days, you can only finish most of the quests by spending USD100,-

And

Above is for one quest, while in one month there are approx. four individual quests, 2 GLTQs and most of the time two Guild wars..

Total invoice amount: minimal USD300! and that is really the very minimum, than still the stat gap with many other gem players gets larger..

The choice many players make is simple, accept the higher cost or just retire from the game !

Honestly IMO, as soon another similar game comes out, I know for sure many players will quit this game immediately and start playing the other game.

Max Power
09-25-2013, 07:15 AM
The main difference is, before you could finish a quest by spending USD30, now a days, you can only finish most of the quests by spending USD100,-

And

Above is for one quest, while in one month there are approx. four individual quests, 2 GLTQs and most of the time two Guild wars..

Total invoice amount: minimal USD300! and that is really the very minimum, than still the stat gap with many other gem players gets larger..

The choice many players make is simple, accept the higher cost or just retire from the game !

Honestly IMO, as soon another similar game comes out, I know for sure many players will quit this game immediately and start playing the other game.

It doesn't matter, the formula is the same. The dollar figures may change, but the biggest spenders will go the farthest.

And there are more than two options...1 Spend a bunch thinking you can actually win in a never ending game, 2. Quit, or....maybe just maybe...3. Continue to play without spending money and make it a time waster instead of a life consuming event.

Many people choose 3.

dookie
09-26-2013, 07:12 AM
we ought to have a gem free war

larrydavid
09-26-2013, 07:42 AM
we ought to have a gem free war

more like gem free raid boss. ;)

AllFather Odin
09-26-2013, 07:50 AM
Can we go on a gem strike? If we all boycott gemming for a month, I am sure Gree Inc. lights will start to flicker........ :cool:

Darth Randy
09-26-2013, 12:47 PM
Can we go on a gem strike? If we all boycott gemming for a month, I am sure Gree Inc. lights will start to flicker........ :cool:

I'm in a top 200 guild and we are suggesting to all of our members to go gem free in this war. It will probably mean we end up a top 300 guild instead, but its time to stop chasing GREE's string.

dookie
09-27-2013, 02:51 AM
yay gem free gem free gem free