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Sol Invictus
10-20-2013, 10:57 PM
Why the girls always gotta have big boobies spilling out of skimpy armor and the dudes always badass-looking and fully armored up...things like that?

I mean...this comes from GREE's Dragon Age.

http://i.minus.com/j6IRjEHy7lEoe.jpg (http://minus.com/l6IRjEHy7lEoe)



I like hot girls with big thingies, too...but always seeing women hyper-sexualized is boring. As a red-blooded male, it's even almost a bit offensive.

Deatux
10-20-2013, 11:01 PM
To usually attract male players from what I can tell it irritates me that they do it allot but then in a way I don't complain when a game over ecsessive uses it then it just ridicouls

oI The Guard Io
11-10-2013, 08:05 PM
agreed guys there it is getting out of hand. once in awhile sure but not 8 or 9 chars in a game need to be that way.

Markdc94
11-20-2013, 08:39 PM
Eh it is what it is. Games are generally marketed towards a male audience and sex sells. I've grown to ignore it over the years.

TheGreatYumYum
11-21-2013, 09:57 PM
Because most men want to objectify women solely by how they look while women should be valued because they are women. That about sums it up.

Amesbhe
12-04-2013, 05:10 PM
This used to bother me. I've gotten used to it after a while, and it doesn't bother me all that much. I do wonder how they come out of fights without a scratch though. Skin of steel?

FrosteeSnoman
12-21-2013, 12:57 AM
Have you seen the characters in League of Legends? xD

Jackhole
12-21-2013, 01:00 AM
I agree . It's a huge problem

Zarlakk
12-21-2013, 01:42 AM
hmmm I think the reason is quite obvious, Gaming is predominantly a Hobby for males therefore game developers believe that they will get a larger player base by trying to make there Animated/fake characters seductive. A great example of this League Of Legends, Just recently a new champion "Jinx" was added into the game, and because her tits were not bigger then Gragas' (you'll only get that if you've played it :P) Riot Games copped abuse. I mean She was still barely wearing any clothes but because she was not appealing to the eyes of some poor sensitive 40 year old virgin pedophiles, The company got crap for it.

Good point to bring up ;)

The Justice
12-21-2013, 12:06 PM
Men are considered "better" if they are strong.
Women are considered "better" if they are sexy.

That's just nature... men choose women mostly according to phisical appeareances, while women are attracted to "strong" men that can protect the sons.


No sexism, imo

FrosteeSnoman
12-21-2013, 06:35 PM
Men are considered "better" if they are strong.
Women are considered "better" if they are sexy.

That's just nature... men choose women mostly according to phisical appeareances, while women are attracted to "strong" men that can protect the sons.


No sexism, imo

Thats... way too accurate! xD

wolfgirl
01-01-2014, 06:07 PM
As a female gamer myself i think it is quite annoying. I mean, when i pick a female character i want a badass option too. Instead of the 'long dress' or the ' you wear so less armor you're going to get yourself killed' option.

I don't think its sexist though. I mean the main audiance is males, so don't expect to see fine dressed women or males walking around without a shirt xD

I often end up with male characters though because i dont want to walk around in a dress or half-naked.

Bad ass looks for the win ! c:

friskie
01-01-2014, 06:30 PM
im a white male player (as shown in my main knight) my other 5 knights are all females of different ethnicities though LOL

Sol Invictus
01-14-2014, 11:46 AM
im a white male player (as shown in my main knight) my other 5 knights are all females of different ethnicities though LOL

Same here! Got a white leader with a squad of nubian warrior princesses.



It's been awhile since I've seen Game of Thrones, and I've only seen up to season 2, but there is that big chick that is a major asskicker. Chicks should be like that.

Nightcore
01-15-2014, 09:21 PM
Lol I just got this perspective but I guess it suppose to attract the "creepers"

Dr.Killerstein
01-17-2014, 12:29 PM
I wont complain.....

Sol Invictus
01-21-2014, 08:46 AM
I understand the the "I won't complain" response, but doesn't it get boring? They aren't real, anyways. They're polygons, pixels and paint.

Not caring because it doesn't negatively impact you is not a good position to take. You should care if Jews are being persecuted, if blacks are being prejudiced against, if women are being treated as nothing more than objects of sexual gratification for men and if children are being abused even if you aren't a little black Jewish girl.

Objectification of women as little more than sexual servants is why we have the Kardashian culture of girls who, while they may certainly be attractive, are vapid and dumb as rocks.

This shallow, materialistic culture is your fault unless you oppose it.

I think it's gross. I'd especially hope that anyone with a daughter agrees with me.

Otis
01-27-2014, 10:57 AM
You will get use to it over time. But on that know why is it every male hero has that "idea body" when most of the guys that are playing are at best a fat skinny.

autorunner
03-31-2014, 02:10 PM
How to objectify males:

http://www.funnyjunk.com/Cat/funny-pictures/5073553/

Geffer
04-01-2014, 05:17 PM
It is annoying to see even "heavily armored" women with most of their skin showing.

frkndork
04-01-2014, 08:50 PM
the unfortunate reality

Rookeye
05-27-2014, 09:28 AM
I call this the "Chainmail Bikini" style...armor that covers as much as a bikini would, only in armored materials (and just as useless).

I found a male version, but beware, it WILL make your eyes bleed: http://i.imgur.com/q8bMI.jpg

I am a female gamer and over the years, I've "gotten used to it", provided the game designers don't insult my intelligence TOO much, or throw my sexuality in my face by giving me a stacked female "warrior" (it is to laugh) squeezed into an outfit two sizes too small in gear that wouldn't protect a flea. C'mon, guys... ;)

Rookeye
05-27-2014, 10:38 PM
EDIT: Anyone ever see this? ;)

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Sol Invictus
05-29-2014, 09:11 AM
http://gaygodsofgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Pink-Taric.jpg

Rookeye
05-29-2014, 12:24 PM
Hmmm...why does my image not load? *shakes fist* ;)


You bring up another point, Sol Invictus: The impossibly long/huge/heavy/overclocked sword/hammer/gun/weapon. This is especially ludicrous when one's character is less than 90 pounds soaking wet, but even Conan the Barbarian would find it difficult to CARRY (much less wield) Leonheart's sword from FF7. I find similar weight ratio discrepancies in most games (and your picture above)...brings to mind the whole African or European swallow discussion, ya know?

Sol Invictus
05-30-2014, 02:37 AM
Hmmm...why does my image not load?

Don't try to use any of the stupid native image embedding tools on this forum.
Do this instead

ImageYouWannaPost.jpg

Rookeye
05-30-2014, 06:15 AM
I'll try to remember, thanks! Here's the image I was trying to post:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Skimpy-Armor-Regret-Decision.jpg

^ why "Bikini Chainmail" is a bad idea... ;)

busteroaf
06-04-2014, 09:20 PM
blah blah.

Its all fantasy. If you ever saw an armored woman back in the day, they weren't scantily clad. They were in full garb.

This isn't real life, its fantasy. I'm sorry that the majority of gamers are male and they gear things specifically towards them. DOA Beach Volleyball anyone? Please, let me know how many girls actually purchased that game, or played it and didn't find it sexist. But to also add in the complaint about giant weapons and guns that a 100 lb person is carrying... again, if you want realism, you're in the wrong genre. You don't like it? Go make your own realistic fantasy game. A fat middle aged guy playing in his underwear, with a pizza box and empty red bull cans as his weapons of choice.

Again, you're all idiots. And you deserve each other.

Rookeye
06-05-2014, 02:29 AM
Thanks for that scintillating assessment...I'll file it away under "blah". ;)

legalious
06-05-2014, 03:38 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rMPsfWr.jpg

What a female warrior should be

Rookeye
06-06-2014, 05:40 AM
Check out "Women Fighters in Reasonable Armor": http://womenfighters.tumblr.com



P.S. I notice that even this site still shows skin in odd places... ;) Thigh vents, anyone?

http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/image/40918850924

Nice pic, but not particularly "reasonable"... ;) ;) ;)

lemontale
06-17-2014, 07:52 PM
Most games are like that..

Rookeye
06-17-2014, 10:32 PM
Most games are like that..

Depending on genre, not necessarily...

Daedalus Wynde 15th
07-01-2014, 05:11 AM
Some of our best guild mates are women

Rookeye
07-01-2014, 06:32 AM
Read the original post, mate. The complaint was not against women, but against those who design skimpy "armor" for them that would never do any actual protecting. ;)

For the record, I myself am a woman. :)

DK Zenith
07-10-2014, 09:29 AM
Women don't need armor.

Our pheromones ward off magic spells, our chests deflect physical damage, and our natural psycho tendencies protect against any and all psychic attacks!

Or at least that seems to be what developers believe...



At least in games like Halo and Borderlands the females are mostly, if not completely covered. So there are a few that try to appeal to egalitarianism.

Rookeye
07-10-2014, 09:44 AM
Egalitarianism...or reality. ;)

sniGGy11
07-28-2014, 11:52 AM
Lol that is so true. Every game I play the women are always showing their physical attributes lol

Rookeye
07-28-2014, 12:00 PM
Lol that is so true. Every game I play the women are always showing their physical attributes lol

I'd post some funny art on the topic, but I don't wanna get banned... ;)

EFIL 4 ZAGGIN
08-01-2014, 01:26 PM
personally, i dont care. sex sells? sure! but these are cartoon drawings, i dont see the appeal...
my only objection is if im playing on my tablet on the subway or something, say playing criminal legacy, and all the sudden the 'fight new epic boss' thing comes up and its a some half-naked stripper, anyone catching a glance over my shoulder is gonna be thinking im some 'white trash perv or something' (to quote joe dirt).
I kinda think they do it on purpose though, not because of the 'sex sells' thing, but hoping a large womens group (or whatever) will complain and go on cnn or the view or tmz or where ever and in turn get them a ton of free advertising.

Rookeye
08-01-2014, 05:07 PM
I honestly rarely get offended, unless the lack of clothing is REALLY noticeable. I've been seeing under-clothed sims for years in games, armored (ha!) or not. But I recognize the hypocrisy of it all...

The sheer stupidity of it becomes readily apparent if we switch genders:

http://i59.tinypic.com/23r0i86.jpg

See what I mean???

Dianish
08-02-2014, 10:29 PM
I honestly rarely get offended, unless the lack of clothing is REALLY noticeable. I've been seeing under-clothed sims for years in games, armored (ha!) or not. But I recognize the hypocrisy of it all...

The sheer stupidity of it becomes readily apparent if we switch genders:

http://i59.tinypic.com/23r0i86.jpg



See what I mean???


Oh, you look good, Rook. Whoa :D

Rookeye
08-02-2014, 10:38 PM
*takes bow* ;) ;) ;)

Ceri
08-11-2014, 05:59 PM
Whatever............. let's go watch some girl on girl porn : )

Rookeye
08-11-2014, 07:09 PM
Thanks for making my point for me... ;)

Melz12345
09-04-2014, 12:44 AM
Got to love that. Interesting thread... (yes, i need more posts for guild recruiting)

Melz12345
09-04-2014, 12:45 AM
Anyone care to lend me a hand? talking to oneself is kinda wierd.

Rookeye
09-04-2014, 12:37 PM
Go to the game threads (movie quotes, numbers game, three words); you can legitimately post there and you won't be spamming. :)

KillerX
09-09-2014, 12:14 PM
Easiest way to get socially awkward less appealing males into a game, its still a predominantly male passtime, when the females outnumber the males, bikini armor will switch genders.

A seperate question, if a females blouse shows 1/3 to 1/2 of her bossom, should she be angry when a male looks?

Rookeye
09-09-2014, 02:19 PM
I'd say no. If she's revealing half her cleavage, she's basically inviting lookyloos... :rolleyes:

KillerX
09-09-2014, 04:23 PM
You are a rare thing in modern times, an honest woman....i agree with your general complaint of games, and say it goes back to mechanized games of the late 19thin century. However the female characters in games are unrealistic in shape ( read stick without curves ) this is a sorry attempt at a truly beautiful natural form

Rookeye
09-09-2014, 04:29 PM
I typically just shrug and play...but I'm annoyed--as a gamer, not a woman--when the costumes (I refuse to say armor) border on the ridiculous. ;) ;) ;)

KillerX
09-09-2014, 05:24 PM
The numbers are against you in this regard, it sucks but there it is

Rookeye
09-10-2014, 07:48 AM
Aye. But I can have a good chuckle when three tin triangles held together by wire are supposed to protect a character. Might as well spray them with Mrs Dash seasoning and throw them to the monsters! ;)

KillerX
09-10-2014, 10:47 AM
That sounds yummy, where does the line start

Tadaaah
09-10-2014, 10:54 AM
Easiest way to get socially awkward less appealing males into a game, its still a predominantly male passtime, when the females outnumber the males, bikini armor will switch genders.

A seperate question, if a females blouse shows 1/3 to 1/2 of her bossom, should she be angry when a male looks?

Fun fact: It's about 50/50 at this point in terms of gender.

Developers are slowly taking notice and some of these types of items are shifting. Please be careful on this topic; there is quite a bit of news on this right now in the gaming industry and harassment has gotten a little out of control to say the least.

legalious
09-10-2014, 12:45 PM
Fun fact: It's about 50/50 at this point in terms of gender.

Developers are slowly taking notice and some of these types of items are shifting. Please be careful on this topic; there is quite a bit of news on this right now in the gaming industry and harassment has gotten a little out of control to say the least.

So more male character models in the future with skimpy outfits?

Rookeye
09-10-2014, 08:45 PM
Just for the record, I don't think anyone here was harassing and/or felt harassed. I certainly don't. I appreciate the honesty on the topic. If we are stepping too much into a grey area, I'll go play Movie Quotes... *shrug* ;)

Carter Noble
12-18-2014, 12:53 PM
If you take sociology classes or communication classes in College, it will teach you all about objectification of women not only in things like this, but everywhere. In sports ads, in movies, in tv shows, in everything we see and hear in life. It's kind of sad.

Rookeye
12-19-2014, 09:27 AM
Did you see the earlier posts in this thread, Carter? :cool:

LadyShan
12-28-2014, 11:47 PM
I'm pretty content with the armor for this game. To be honest I like the fashionable yet impractical armor I get from playing other games. I know if I were to go to war IRL that I'd be covered head to toe. But I think I'd look damn good in that chain mail bikini (if only I had the body to go with it) that I see in some other mmo's .

Rookeye
12-29-2014, 05:22 AM
IKR? Lol. I know the me from 20 years ago was a lot more content with the skin-flash. The today me is QUITE content to be walled up in a tin can for both in-game and RL battle... ;)

Daphne van der Jagt
01-10-2015, 01:01 PM
I always thought it was a bit weird that women had no clothes on when I was younger, so I think it is a bit weird that games dress women that way. On the other hand, it is most of the time sexy and games want to attract guys to play it. What I would like to know is: what does my gender think of it? Would you not buy a game because you see a big boobed almost nude women on the front or don't you care? I think I am used to it now. I don't like it, I don't dislike it. I just think games are made by some horny guys who like to dress.. Or undress their fantasy girls.

Davis Buck
01-18-2015, 09:04 AM
Armor is heavy so if it were a female character in it she would have to be super buff and with limited screen size for phone games itd be way harder to tell the difference by the time you add all that armor theyd just look the same so might as well just take out the ability to choose the character sex anx determine by name. Otherwise your just digging to be offended do you also get offended when walking up to the bathroom and seeing a triangle on the woman. Heavy armor would make you slower to in that pick the chick would be way faster and have a good chance at victory would at least have the option of retreat wheras the armored guy could just run

Rookeye
01-18-2015, 09:37 AM
I watched an interesting documentary once on Joan of Arc, asking if a 17 year old farm girl could have worn the armor of the day into battle (full armor/battle dress). The answer came back that at the time, a full suit of armor in her day was made of steel, would have weighed a mere 40 lbs, and any stout farm lass used to shoveling ditches would have NO problem.

So the only problem in games is when they design unspeakably heavy or unreasonably large armor/weapons. Naturally, since it's all FANTASY, there is no "problem" there, and we next come to an issue of modesty/realism.

I personally find it laughable that the female characters in MOST games are clad in little more than a few triangles for protection, while the lads are bulked up in full war gear...one of the things I appreciate here at KnD is that male and female are equally armored for battle. But again, games are fantasy; if it doesn't bug you, play on! ;)

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131020042827/knightsanddragons/images/9/96/Final_Evo._of_Armor_of_the_Wolf.jpg

KnD equality ^


For proof around the internet that others have noticed the general inequality that typically exists, here's a humorous short list of the types of (*ahem*) "armor" made available to us girls in "normal" games... ;)
http://kotaku.com/thirteen-types-of-ridiculous-female-armor-in-mmorpgs-507570131

For the full list, go here:
http://repair-her-armor.tumblr.com/post/50474510652/clothes-im-forced-to-wear-in-the-majority-of

For a stunning visual, try this:
http://s897.photobucket.com/user/Ovidiu1/media/RPGlogic_3f827c_4771291_zpsc3dab769.jpg.html

FatBird
01-26-2015, 06:38 AM
Real birds have curves

Rookeye
01-28-2015, 07:31 PM
No argument. ;)

tiffaneeb
01-29-2015, 12:41 PM
Fun fact: It's about 50/50 at this point in terms of gender.

Developers are slowly taking notice and some of these types of items are shifting. Please be careful on this topic; there is quite a bit of news on this right now in the gaming industry and harassment has gotten a little out of control to say the least.

You mean in Knights & Dragons? If that's true, why don't I know of any guilds that are half female? None I've seen come close. I'm familiar with a sizable portion of the top 25/10 guilds.
I have four women including myself and 33 males at the moment. I've never had more than five at one time. I would love to recruit more women. Where are they?

Rookeye
01-29-2015, 11:38 PM
^ what she said... ;)

darkfyre27
02-25-2015, 09:13 AM
It's the flesh flash that makes it safe...distraction is the best armor.

Rookeye
03-04-2015, 04:22 PM
I'll try to remember, thanks! Here's the image I was trying to post:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Skimpy-Armor-Regret-Decision.jpg

^ why "Bikini Chainmail" is a bad idea... ;)

^ A humorous look at what the "flesh flash" would actually get you. ;)