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Voxker
10-28-2013, 05:58 PM
Hello community, the recent Raid boss has been activated.

Glitches/bugs:

bosses are summoned without anyone doing so *fixed*
Bosses killed cannot be summoned again *fixed*






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Normal Guild: Portal to the Abyss

1/39 Lvl5 Ophidia - Abyssal Imp 288/212
2/39 7xp 200 honor
3/39 9xp Abyssal gargoyle 245/305
4/39 11xp 400 honor
5/39 13xp Abyssal treant 302/303
6/39 15xp 600 honor
7/39 17xp
8/39 Lvl 10 Ophidia within 15mins - 19 xp, 800 honor
9/39 2 Lvl15 Ophidia - Abyssal lich 327/406
10/39 Lvl25 Ophidia - 23xp 1000 honor
11/39 Lvl 15 Ophidia within 15mins - Abyssal harvester 439/440
12/39 3 Lvl20 Ophidia - 27xp, 1250 honor
13/39 Lvl 30 Ophidia - Abyssal seraphim 607/448
14/39 Lvl 20 Ophidia within 15mins - 31xp, 1500 honor
15/39 3 Lvl25 Ophidia - Abyssal djinn 563/702
16/39 Lvl 35 Ophidia - 35xp, 1750 honor
17/39 Lvl 40 Ophidia - Abyssal hunter 759/759
18/39 3 Lvl 35 Ophidia - 39xp, 2000 honor
19/39 Lvl 40 Ophidia - 41xp Abyssal protector 1048/774
20/39 43xp 2250 honor
21/39 4 Lvl35 Ophidia - 45xp Abyssal shade 973/1213
22/39 Lvl45 Ophidia - 47xp, 2500honor
23/39 Lvl35 Ophidia within 15mins - 49xp Abyssal archer 1312/1312
24/39 4 Lvl 40 Ophidia - 51xp 3500 honor
25/39 Abyssal Reaper 1961/1449
26/39 Lvl40 Ophidia within 15mins 55xp 4000 honor
27/39 4 Lvl 45 Ophidia - Abyssal skeeltal beast 1973/2460
28/39 Lvl55 Ophidia - 59xp 4500 honor
28/39:L55 (syncs with heroic 2/33)
29/39: L45 in 15min
30/39: 5 L50 in a row (syncs up with heroic 3/33)
31/39: L60 (syncs with heroic 4/33)
32/39: L50 in 15 min (syncs with heroic 5/33)
33/39: Defeat 5 L55 in a row (syncs with heroic 6/33)
34/39: L65 (syncs with heroic 7/33)
35/39: L55 in 15 min (syncs with heroic 8/33)
36/39: 5 L60 in a row (syncs with heroic 9/33)
37/39: L60 in 15 min (syncs with 11/33 heroic)
38/39: Defeat 5 L65 (syncs with 12/33 heroic)
39/39: L65 in 15 min

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Prestige Guild: Heart of the Abyss

1/33 Lvl50 Ophidia - Abyssal warlock 995/735
2/33 Lvl55 Ophidia 10xp 2000 honor
3/33 Abyssal Summoner 847/1065
4/33
5/33 Abyssal Trapper 1047/1047
6/33
7/33 Abyssal Nightglider 1325/978
8/33
9/33 Abyssal Daemon 1128/1405
10/33
11/33 Heart of the Abyss 1520/1520
12/33
13/33 Abyssal Mindflayer 2098/1550
14/33
15/33 - 49xp, Abyssal ogre 1948/2429
16/33 10 Lvl80 - 52xp, 15000 honor
17/33
18/33
19/39 15 Lvl85 - abyssal assassin 3625/2678
20/39 Lvl 75 within 15mins - 20000 honor
21/39 8 Lvl80 without escaping - Abyssal catapult 3366/4198
22/39 20 Lvl90
23/39 Lvl80 within 15mins
24/33 8 L85 in a row
25/33 25 @L95
26/33 1 @L85 in 15 minutes
27/33 10 @L90 in a row
28/33 30 @L100
29/33 1 @L90 in 15 minutes
30/33 11 @L95 in a row NO
31/33 1 @L95 in 15 minutes
32/33 20 @L100 in a row
33/33 1 @L100 in 15 minutes
*note* 24/33-33/33 is yet to be confirmed


Thank you to the ones that helped with the list

Thoughts:

This RB event is ridiculously harder than the last one (at least double the total damage needed
When it comes to <1-2 guilds that can beat a GLTQ, theres obviously something wrong with the level of difficulty.

Guilds finished normal:

TAG
LON
SMP
FFF
KOS
FDI
VET

Guilds finished prestige:

The Assassins guild, big thank you to members of:


BGK
ARH
FUN2
BoB
GoV
FUA
SK
SG1
iroc26



let me know if i missed anyone

MaverickMunkey
10-28-2013, 06:06 PM
Glitchy as hell!

Well done Gree another outstanding roll out of an event.

s.m.p
10-28-2013, 06:07 PM
I summoned boss lv 5 as quest required and attacked with quick attack. It shows i defeated it but quest didn't go ahead there is no more boss lv 5 to summon and history list is empty

Voxker
10-28-2013, 06:07 PM
Glitchy as hell!

Well done Gree another outstanding roll out of an event.

hey! at least we got 100 gems... not that its significant lmfao

Rocco69
10-28-2013, 06:08 PM
I summoned boss lv 5 as quest required and attacked with quick attack. It shows i defeated it but quest didn't go ahead there is no more boss lv 5 to summon and history list is empty
My guild has same exact problem and we are now stuck

D1E Luke
10-28-2013, 06:08 PM
We just defeated level 5 but nothing happened. This is my first ever raid boss so I don't understand it that much anyway. Lol

Aclark
10-28-2013, 06:10 PM
Yay. Another beautiful beginning of a ltq

Spazzer
10-28-2013, 06:10 PM
Same problem here....

Uberfauker
10-28-2013, 06:12 PM
We do not even have a level 5 boss to summon :(

Vclone
10-28-2013, 06:13 PM
What was that update that we just got? It fixed some bugs, right?

Miranda6900
10-28-2013, 06:14 PM
We are as well. We no longer see a level 5 boss.

Romel
10-28-2013, 06:18 PM
Same here stuck at level 5. Did not register kill, boss level 5 disappeared

StrictNine
10-28-2013, 06:18 PM
I'm not one to complain but come on.

Darth Randy
10-28-2013, 06:20 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Think that says it all.

Arionek
10-28-2013, 06:28 PM
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous! This has to be one of the biggest bugs in GREE history. I mean now no one in the entire game can play the raid boss now!

Miranda6900
10-28-2013, 06:28 PM
We killed the level 50 as well with the same result. we no longer have a level 50 boss to summon and the quest did not move forward

Quisp
10-28-2013, 06:35 PM
You must raid 15 different level 10 witches dens to get the bosses to register. Lol

Spazzer
10-28-2013, 06:43 PM
Restart the game 5 times, summon every boss, restart the game, do 5 hand stand push-ups, plug in your device to the charger, and make sure to collect all your gold then restart one last time. The quest should complete and move forward. I heard this from someone that read this in a secret email that a friend received from a Gree employee.

BevFo
10-28-2013, 06:46 PM
Haha! Sounds legit!


Restart the game 5 times, summon every boss, restart the game, do 5 hand stand push-ups, plug in your device to the charger, and make sure to collect all your gold then restart one last time. The quest should complete and move forward. I heard this from someone that read this in a secret email that a friend received from a Gree employee.

the_bob
10-28-2013, 06:46 PM
Restart the game 5 times, summon every boss, restart the game, do 5 hand stand push-ups, plug in your device to the charger, and make sure to collect all your gold then restart one last time. The quest should complete and move forward. I heard this from someone that read this in a secret email that a friend received from a Gree employee.

Don't forget about the chicken sacrifice.

StrictNine
10-28-2013, 06:47 PM
Restart the game 5 times, summon every boss, restart the game, do 5 hand stand push-ups, plug in your device to the charger, and make sure to collect all your gold then restart one last time. The quest should complete and move forward. I heard this from someone that read this in a secret email that a friend received from a Gree employee.

Do not do this this, I just tried it and it didn't work. ;)

StrictNine
10-28-2013, 06:52 PM
Given the level 100 has 2.1 billion stats and the last will likely be in 15 minutes we will not complete it anyway. Good luck to everyone.

KenjoMegi1
10-28-2013, 06:52 PM
So we lost a day of the raid boss quest cause it didn't load, now everyone is stuck on the first quest and cant kill the raid bosses?
Grrrrrr...... good thing its not just my guild suffering through this.
yea we got 100 gems but that's only 4 health regens......

wonder how long this will go on. Normally pretty quick at fixing these things.

-Kenjo Megi
Scions of Abaddon

JoeDaddy
10-28-2013, 06:59 PM
Anyone notice what Gree did to the Boss's HP?? Gotta keep those gems spending and account for all that stat inflation...


LEVEL OLD RAID BOSS 2nd RAID BOSS 3rd RAID BOSS 4th RAID BOSS
5 54.560
10 1.000.000 6.000.000 328.800 858,672
15 1.030.230 2,102,594
20 2.000.000 14.000.000 2.434.565 4,951,331
25 4,628,7600 9,876,858
30 3.500.000 28.500.000 7.753.050 15,819,637
35 11.946.600 23,454,641
40 5.500.000 62.500.000 18.885.120 36,074,544
45 28.283.430 52,483,877
50 12.500.000 170.000.000 41.515.728 73,347,480
55 57.125.430 101,274,435
60 24.000.000 240.000.000 79.895.800 140,077,740
65 130.396,250 225,525,646
70 60.000.000 415.000.000 212.074.500 367,993,830
75 374.726.275 643,294,456
80 135.000.000 660.000.000 551.229.000 941,804,280
85 824.209.250 1,425,707,147
90 310.000.000 1.300.000.000 1.302.067.800 1,600,000,000
95 1.990.000.000 1,800,000,000
100 741.354.768 2.147.483.647 2.147.483.647 2,100,000,000

Capitalsfanatic
10-28-2013, 07:55 PM
Same problems here. No credit for killing boss, boss summoned without any guild member doing so. This GLTQ is a train wreck. Stop quest and reset. It's a mess.

RandomUser
10-28-2013, 07:57 PM
Joe Daddy - I did notice. I appreciate you trying to post relevant data, but without putting it into a clearly defined table, that is just a mess of numbers there. ;)

To compare to last boss event, most bosses under L90 are about 2x as strong as last time. L95 and L100 are slightly weaker.

the_bob
10-28-2013, 08:39 PM
Anyone notice what Gree did to the Boss's HP?? Gotta keep those gems spending and account for all that stat inflation...

Percent change from last raid boss event for anyone interested:

Lvl Health
100 97.79%
95 90.45%
90 122.88%
85 172.98%
80 170.86%
75 171.67%
70 173.52%
65 172.95%
60 175.33%
55 177.28%
50 176.67%
45 185.56%
40 191.02%
35 196.33%
30 204.04%
25 213.38%
20 203.38%
15 204.09%
10 261.15%
5 445.24%

Shadows
10-28-2013, 08:41 PM
Don't forget about the chicken sacrifice.

That's what we were supposed to use it for??

Dammit, I wasted it on Granny Fortuna!!

Frostpocket
10-29-2013, 01:03 AM
Thanks for that info, JoeDaddy and the_bob; very informative.......and interesting.

D1E Luke
10-29-2013, 02:49 AM
My guild killed the boss but for some reason it's says it escaped so we didn't get anything. Lol

HAMM€R
10-29-2013, 05:11 AM
I am new and confusion. I try to raid my boss but he fire me and now I have no job so I can now no longer raid boss. What can I do?😳

Vendetta V
10-29-2013, 05:15 AM
I am new and confusion. I try to raid my boss but he fire me and now I have no job so I can now no longer raid boss. What can I do?��

Quickly find another boss, so you can raid him..

P4TR1C14N
10-29-2013, 07:37 AM
Gree increased difficulty off this event with 17% (average) compared to last boss event.

In total your guild will have to do 80.225.000.000 damage to finish normal + heroic.
Last raid boss event it was only 68.750.000.000 damage.

In short for less mathematical ppl... You need to do more damage. If your stats didn't rise 17% compared to last event, this event is harder for you. But even if you gained more as 17% stats, this event still will be considerably harder for majority off guilds (i guess below top15 guilds) as gree increased about 70% strength off the top bosses till lvl90.

Good luck all and be ready to spend even more gems as last raid boss.

Sparky14
10-29-2013, 07:40 AM
TAG is done with normal ;)

Zenobia
10-29-2013, 09:11 AM
I thought this thread was one of the helpful kinds, with info on how many of what type of raid boss is required to complete each part of the quest. Was that helpful part of the OP removed or did I just imagine it was there? Where is that info if not here? Thanks.

P4TR1C14N
10-29-2013, 09:28 AM
I thought this thread was one of the helpful kinds, with info on how many of what type of raid boss is required to complete each part of the quest. Was that helpful part of the OP removed or did I just imagine it was there? Where is that info if not here? Thanks.

Its clearly removed... Luckily i got it in my head

Zenobia
10-29-2013, 10:14 AM
Its clearly removed... Luckily i got it in my head

Wow.

Just...
Wow.

So he started a thread that is helpful & useful for everyone, then REMOVED all the good information. So much for everyone in this community being about helping each other out.

[JAG] Ryan
10-29-2013, 11:01 AM
4731

This is our estimation based on last Raid Boss figures and current process.

Hope it helps some people.

Sparky14
10-29-2013, 11:05 AM
Ok I'll post here and Voxker can update or we can start another thread. It's very bare and the heroic might be more difficult than last so this is just a go-by.

Everyone please feel free to fill in what is missing.

---Most info provided by the ever helpful Larry David and based on last Raid Boss Event---

****** Boss kills count for both quests if you are on coinciding levels!!!*****

For example: Level 25/39 and level 3/33 at the same time would yield the 25/39 unit and 1/3 kills for level 3/33.


Guild (N)

1/39: Defeat 1 L5

2/39: Defeat 1 L10

3/39:

4/39:

5/39:

6/39:

7/39:

8/39:

9/39:

10/39:

11/39: Defeat 1 L15 in 15 min

12/39: Defeat 3 L20

13/39:

14/39:

15/39:

16/39: Defeat 1 L35

17/39:

18/39: Defeat 3 L30 in a row

19/39: Defeat 1 L40

20/39: Defeat 1 L30 within 15 min

21/39: Defeat 4 L35 in a row

22/39: Defeat 1 L45

23/39: Defeat 1 L35 in 15 min

24/39: Defeat 4 L40 in a row

25/39: Defeat 1 L50 (syncs with heroic 1/33)

26/39: Defeat 1 L40 in 15 min

27/39: Defeat 4 L45 in a row

28/39: Defeat 1 L55 (syncs with heroic 2/33)

29/39: Defeat 1 L45 in 15min

30/39: Defeat 5 L50 in a row (syncs up with heroic 3/33)

31/39: Defeat 1 L60 (syncs with heroic 4/33)

32/39: Defeat 1 L50 in 15 min (syncs with heroic 5/33)

33/39: Defeat 5 L55 in a row (syncs with heroic 6/33)

34/39: Defeat 1 L65 (syncs with heroic 7/33)

35/39: Defeat 1 L55 in 15 min (syncs with heroic 8/33)

36/39: Defeat 5 L60 in a row (syncs with heroic 9/33)

37/39: Defeat 1 L60 in 15 min (syncs with 11/33 heroic)

38/39: Defeat 5 L65 (syncs with 12/33 heroic)

39/39: Defeat 1 L65 in 15 min


Guild (H): Heart of the Abyss

1/33: Defeat 1 L50

2/33: Defeat 1 L55

3/33: Defeat 3 L50 in a row

4/33: Defeat 1 L60

5/33: Defeat 1 L50

6/33: Defeat 3 L55 in a row

7/33: Defeat 1 L65

8/33: Defeat 1 L55 in 15 min

9/33: Defeat 3 L60 in a row

10/33: Defeat 1 L70

11/33: Defeat 1 L60 in 15 min

12/33: Defeat 4 L65 in a row

13/33: Defeat 5 L75 in a row – Abyssal Mindflayer 2,098/1550

14/33: Defeat 1 L65 in 15 min

15/33: Defeat 7 L70 in a row – Abyssal Ogre 1,948/??

From here on, things are probably not as listed….

16/33: Defeat 1 L80

17/33: Defeat L70 in 15 min

18/33: Defeat 4 L75 in a row

19/33: Defeat 1 L85

20/33: Defeat 1 L75 in 15 min

21/33: Defeat 5 L80 in a row

22/33: Defeat 1 L90

23/33: Defeat 1 L80 in 15 min

24/33: Defeat 5 L85 in a row

25/33: Defeat 1 L95

26/33: Defeat 1 L85 in 15 min

27/33: Defeat 5 L90 in a row

28/33: Defeat 1 L100

29/33: Defeat 1 L90 in 15 min

30/33: Defeat 7 L95 in a row

31/33: Defeat 1 L95 in 15 min

32/33: Defeat 10 L100 in a row

33/33: (MY GUESS)* Defeat 1 L100 in 15 min – Aroxil, Abyssal Commander 97,456/86,144 + 20% more attack from magic

The red Baron
10-29-2013, 11:49 AM
TRK has finished normal

Here the damage for the higher bosses we got

Boss damage
75 12
70 9,7
65 7,25
60 5
55 2,5
50 1,85

NinjaHonu
10-29-2013, 12:16 PM
Thanks Ryan and im4wine!
OP why do you start a thread and not do the level and prizes? If you don't want to do it dont start it. Now you see why some people in this forum get pissed off. I know you did start it initially and then removed it! FFS

P4TR1C14N
10-29-2013, 03:30 PM
Gree increased difficulty off this event with 17% (average) compared to last boss event.

In total your guild will have to do 80.225.000.000 damage to finish normal + heroic.
Last raid boss event it was only 68.750.000.000 damage.

In short for less mathematical ppl... You need to do more damage. If your stats didn't rise 17% compared to last event, this event is harder for you. But even if you gained more as 17% stats, this event still will be considerably harder for majority off guilds (i guess below top15 guilds) as gree increased about 70% strength off the top bosses till lvl90.

Good luck all and be ready to spend even more gems as last raid boss.

Update... Gree is greedy as usual and i notice gree did increase in heroic on top off the increased boss strengths also the amount off bosses to be killed!

I can confirm already that increase in damage this event is 22%. Once i see somewhere more data about heroic 15 and higher, this number might increase still ad if it does it will go very fast to 30% and then i can really officially say gree is behaving very greedy as usual with no respect at all for their player base.

So advise to all guilds... Decide wise if you want to play this one. It is quite a bit harder as last one.

P4TR1C14N
10-29-2013, 04:33 PM
Update... Gree is greedy as usual and i notice gree did increase in heroic on top off the increased boss strengths also the amount off bosses to be killed!

I can confirm already that increase in damage this event is 22%. Once i see somewhere more data about heroic 15 and higher, this number might increase still ad if it does it will go very fast to 30% and then i can really officially say gree is behaving very greedy as usual with no respect at all for their player base.

So advise to all guilds... Decide wise if you want to play this one. It is quite a bit harder as last one.

I jus got informed heroic 16 is a kill 10 times lvl80. Ridiculous! Last raid boss this was a kill ONE time a lvl80.

At this rate, the raid boss will be twice as hard as previous raid boss event and lets not forget that one was already twice as hard as the first raid boss event.

@sirius: are these typo's or are you and colleagues not clear thinking anymore? Can you confirm you did intentionally increase difficulty raid boss event with about 50-100%?

Lara4578
10-29-2013, 04:35 PM
The stages for the heroic stages changed at this RB event
Stage H13/33 used to be summon 1 Lvl 75, it has jumped to summon 5 lvl 75
stage 15/33 used to be summon 4 lvl 70, it has jumped to summon 7 lvl 70
stage 16/33 used to be summon 1 lvl 80, it has jumped to summon 10 lvl 80

I am really not looking forward to find out the rest of the stages on the number of bosses increased...that is way too ridiculous Gree. Too too much....

P4TR1C14N
10-29-2013, 04:39 PM
The stages for the heroic stages changed at this RB event
Stage H13/33 used to be summon 1 Lvl 75, it has jumped to summon 5 lvl 75
stage 15/33 used to be summon 4 lvl 70, it has jumped to summon 7 lvl 70
stage 16/33 used to be summon 1 lvl 80, it has jumped to summon 10 lvl 80

I am really not looking forward to find out the rest of the stages on the number of bosses increased...that is way too ridiculous Gree. Too too much....

Don't forget to add the boss strength increased on top with 75% for all those levels. Gree has lost its mind IMHO.

Voxker
10-29-2013, 06:00 PM
duno how the info went away, i filled in 27/39 before going to bed.. ill fix it, made a copy... habits from highschool lol

added the other half of normal... just missing the reward from 28-38 and 25.

Zenobia
10-29-2013, 07:37 PM
The stages for the heroic stages changed at this RB event
Stage H13/33 used to be summon 1 Lvl 75, it has jumped to summon 5 lvl 75
stage 15/33 used to be summon 4 lvl 70, it has jumped to summon 7 lvl 70
stage 16/33 used to be summon 1 lvl 80, it has jumped to summon 10 lvl 80

I am really not looking forward to find out the rest of the stages on the number of bosses increased...that is way too ridiculous Gree. Too too much....

Any updates on 17-33/33?

I was going by how it was the last 2 times but now thrown off by them changing how many for each stage. Adding 75% health to the boss in 13/33 is bad. But then changing it from one to FIVE of the f***ers? That means 13/33 is nearly NINE TIMES the health it was last time.

As for 16/33, I refuse to even calculate how incredibly that stage jumped because it is so insane.

senna
10-29-2013, 08:14 PM
Loving the challenge. Rewards should be awarded to the best of the best. I want my rewards to be exclusive. Just like you can't have everyone in business class, most have to take economy.

alizainal
10-29-2013, 08:17 PM
If GREE changed 16/33H from summon 1 lv.80 to 10 lv.80, I wonder what will it be on 21/33H. It was summon 5 lv.80 last time.

Zenobia
10-29-2013, 08:23 PM
We are planning to finish this thing but want to know exactly what it will take to finish it before we start offering spots to folks to join us and get the big prizes with us. We are not going to offer anybody anything until we know what we are in for and can confirm we will do it. So any insights into the second half of Heroic would be greatly appreciated. :)

Voxker
10-29-2013, 08:26 PM
its nice to have a good challenge but cmon... 10 Lvl100s last time was heart breaking enough.

Guido69
10-29-2013, 08:27 PM
Level 19 heroic is defeat boss level 85 15 times :)

For your info Zenobia :)

Voxker
10-29-2013, 08:30 PM
We are planning to finish this thing but want to know exactly what it will take to finish it before we start offering spots to folks to join us and get the big prizes with us. We are not going to offer anybody anything until we know what we are in for and can confirm we will do it. So any insights into the second half of Heroic would be greatly appreciated. :)

if things are the way they're going atm, we'll be facing alot more bosses than usual. probably because theres a bonus on this boss -.-

Kidder
10-29-2013, 08:34 PM
Percent change from last raid boss event for anyone interested:

Lvl Health
100 97.79%
95 90.45%
90 122.88%
85 172.98%
80 170.86%
75 171.67%
70 173.52%
65 172.95%
60 175.33%
55 177.28%
50 176.67%
45 185.56%
40 191.02%
35 196.33%
30 204.04%
25 213.38%
20 203.38%
15 204.09%
10 261.15%
5 445.24%

On top of the hp increase, we are now far more bosses. Last time 16/33 Heroic required 1 level 80 boss. This time it requires 10! So not only is a level 80 boss have 70.86% more HP, we have to kill an additional 9! Knowing their patterning during boss events, this won't be the only round that will require far more.

This increase is ridiculous.... Raid boss events were already demanding. I can see an increase for inflation of stats but this is overboard.

Zenobia
10-29-2013, 08:42 PM
Level 19 heroic is defeat boss level 85 15 times :)

For your info Zenobia :)

Thanks for sharing that info, Guido! :)

Assuming 17/33 is still a 15-minute L70, I missed, does anyone know how many L75s for 18/33?

Guido69
10-29-2013, 08:50 PM
Thanks for sharing that info, Guido! :)

Assuming 17/33 is still a 15-minute L70, I missed, does anyone know how many L75s for 18/33?

Seven of them

Rocco69
10-29-2013, 08:52 PM
Anyone looking for someone who can hit 14m with mega later in quest and will bring some gems let me know. Deeply loyal to my guild who will finish regular part soon but very few gem players so once we finish we burn off orbs for lower level members to score random units. And they will understand when i slip out to help someone else (yeah for my own benefit too which helps the guild later) then i go back home

Zenobia
10-29-2013, 08:55 PM
Rocco69, we may be interested. When we get to the point of needing to add members to our roster to replace our minis, and when we know exactly what we are up against so we have a clear, viable plan, I may contact you, thanks.

Consider this me getting the word out there we may have room for a number of people to do the same.

Rasputin
10-29-2013, 09:16 PM
It's obvious by now that this quest was designed for 2, maybe 3 guilds. My guild is in top 25 and is almost exclusively gem players. We have decided enough is enough. We will not finish, and we will not use ANY more gems trying.

Ignoring increasing boss strength, the sheer number of bosses added means that they have to be killed in under an hour non-stop 24 hrs a day. For every boss that takes 2 hours or for every break we take to regen our health, that adds to the significant gem cost required to kill all the bosses in the allotted time. WE REFUSE TO DO IT. We will do what we can on free hits, and that is all. Enough is enough. We're boycotting gem usage for the remaining duration of the event, and we hope the rest of you consider joining us.

Rocco69
10-29-2013, 09:28 PM
Thanks Zeniboa, and Rasputin i hear you big time. In my smaller (still top 150 to 200!) guild our gemmers have lost faith as these rewards have become obscene to obtain. However we have 5 or 6 members who still enjoy the game and don't want to leave the guild due to the friendships. We just gave clearance to a 2 profile member to take one away for war to try for the wins quest. As a mid level yet dedicated guild we have NO Shot at the total wins or streak quest yet do well on total CP points. And raid boss favors more attack strength so we now willing to diversify.
This topic more apt for guild recruitment thread sorry

senna
10-29-2013, 10:02 PM
Don't forget to add the boss strength increased on top with 75% for all those levels. Gree has lost its mind IMHO.

C'mon Pat, you are a top 10 dragon warrior. Show us what you're made of.

NinjaHonu
10-30-2013, 12:02 AM
Seven of them

Thanks Guido! Please keep us updated please! :) Much appreciated.

P4TR1C14N
10-30-2013, 01:54 AM
C'mon Pat, you are a top 10 dragon warrior. Show us what you're made of.

Based on what i read here, dragon warriors will pull the plug out off this event. Decision will be taken today.
There are limits and Gree reached in this event the breakpoint. This is not playing a game anymore. This is insanity.

@guido: it would be great if you can provide me info on the remaining levels off this event as i will plot them in tables and share with the community here. Then all can see how insane this event has become compared to last one. I mean... Then all can decide for themselves how crazy this is.

@senna: its not because guilds are top10-25 or even top3, it means a challenging event should become a pure money **** event with unachievable targets (IMHO). But good luck on your side... Keep the money flowing as without it this one will be ouch. What about the 3000 other guilds out there? If an event is made for 1, 2 or 3 guilds, then i find the prize for this achievement in this event a joke...

@all: i recalculated a bit and with the info till heroic 19, this event is now 66% more difficult as last one.

Damage needed previous raid boss: 69.000.000.000
Damage needed this raid boss: 114.000.000.000 (based on intel till heroic lvl19 so this will be way worse when all intel is available. I guess around 150-200% difficulty increase in the end.)

Voxker
10-30-2013, 02:26 AM
Based on what i read here, dragon warriors will pull the plug out off this event. Decision will be taken today.
There are limits and Gree reached in this event the breakpoint. This is not playing a game anymore. This is insanity.

@guido: it would be great if you can provide me info on the remaining levels off this event as i will plot them in tables and share with the community here. Then all can see how insane this event has become compared to last one. I mean... Then all can decide for themselves how crazy this is.

@senna: its not because guilds are top10-25 or even top3, it means a challenging event should become a pure money **** event with unachievable targets (IMHO). But good luck on your side... Keep the money flowing as without it this one will be ouch. What about the 3000 other guilds out there? If an event is made for 1, 2 or 3 guilds, then i find the prize for this achievement in this event a joke...

@all: i recalculated a bit and with the info till heroic 19, this event is now 66% more difficult as last one.

Damage needed previous raid boss: 69.000.000.000
Damage needed this raid boss: 114.000.000.000 (based on intel till heroic lvl19 so this will be way worse when all intel is available. I guess around 150-200% difficulty increase in the end.)

dear god thats insane ô.ô

normal was always easy but heroic is out of control, i doubt anyone would bother finishing it

P4TR1C14N
10-30-2013, 02:32 AM
dear god thats insane ô.ô

normal was always easy but heroic is out of control, i doubt anyone would bother finishing it

It's not only about difficulty, but also time span. If you need to kill out off the blue 30-50 extra high lvl bosses... Then this is also in hours a big impact. I dont need to explain how much hours it takes to kill 30-50 high lvl bosses :). For sure... Gems do the trick in 5 min per boss...

It's all a dream
10-30-2013, 02:36 AM
Based on what i read here, dragon warriors will pull the plug out off this event. Decision will be taken today.
There are limits and Gree reached in this event the breakpoint. This is not playing a game anymore. This is insanity.

@guido: it would be great if you can provide me info on the remaining levels off this event as i will plot them in tables and share with the community here. Then all can see how insane this event has become compared to last one. I mean... Then all can decide for themselves how crazy this is.

@senna: its not because guilds are top10-25 or even top3, it means a challenging event should become a pure money **** event with unachievable targets (IMHO). But good luck on your side... Keep the money flowing as without it this one will be ouch. What about the 3000 other guilds out there? If an event is made for 1, 2 or 3 guilds, then i find the prize for this achievement in this event a joke...

@all: i recalculated a bit and with the info till heroic 19, this event is now 66% more difficult as last one.

Damage needed previous raid boss: 69.000.000.000
Damage needed this raid boss: 114.000.000.000 (based on intel till heroic lvl19 so this will be way worse when all intel is available. I guess around 150-200% difficulty increase in the end.)

seems to me you should make a comparison to not the previous raid boss, but the one before that. if i look at the hp of the raid bosses it seems Gree made it basically the same as the second raid boss event.

P4TR1C14N
10-30-2013, 02:46 AM
seems to me you should make a comparison to not the previous raid boss, but the one before that. if i look at the hp of the raid bosses it seems Gree made it basically the same as the second raid boss event.

No.

We had 3 raid boss events.
- 1. Doable for majority
- 2. Doubled damage needed (only damage increased a lot, not amount off bosses)
- 3. Same as 2. No changes or 'big' changes.
- 4. This one where we are doubling again all requirements and not only damage (This for HP, amount bosses to be killed)

As we finished all off them, i think i can make a good comparison (i am not perfect tho :))

almarro1
10-30-2013, 03:47 AM
Nobody got to higher levels yet, but if the numeric series on some levels persists, this is what awaits us:
H22/33: 20 L90
H25/33: 25 L95
H28/30: 30 L100

Sincerely, I hope I'm wrong about these assumptions.

P4TR1C14N
10-30-2013, 03:50 AM
Nobody got to higher levels yet, but if the numeric series on some levels persists, this is what awaits us:
H22/33: 20 L90
H25/33: 25 L95
H28/30: 30 L100

Sincerely, I hope I'm wrong about these assymptions.

It's a suicide mission :). Did we miss somewhere a news post about gree announcing to shut down? It looks like that if you start pushing events as this one...

alonibb
10-30-2013, 05:45 AM
Well.. As long as enough guilds finnish the quests Gree will make them harder everytime. Of course its to make money, but also a natural way to find the correct level. If not one single guild will manage this event they will realize its to hard and make it a little bit easier next time. If maybe 5-10 guilds finnish it they will problaby keep the same level next time.

So the best thing to do if you think its insane is just not finnish it:)

Lara4578
10-30-2013, 06:02 AM
H17 to summon 1 lvl 70 for 15 mins kill
H18 to summon 7 lvl 75
H 19 to summon 15 lvl 85


Well I do not wish to comment anymore 😡😡😡😡 I will update when I have it.

P4TR1C14N
10-30-2013, 06:55 AM
FUN or RK... Already at heroic 20, 21 or higher? What are the quests for those? Thanks for any info on this.

It's a worrying if a FUN and RK are taking so long to advance.

Rasputin
10-30-2013, 07:52 AM
Last time the levels were:
H20: 1x75 in 15 min
H21: 5x80
H22: 1x90

Based on what we're seeing so far, H20 should be the same, but 21 & 22 will be more like 10 and 15 bosses respectively. That's just an educated guess so take it for what it's worth. At 2 hrs per boss, nobody will finish. These have to be killed fast to have any hope of completion.

If 32/33 was 10x100 last time, I shudder to think what it is this time.

Lord Vyper
10-30-2013, 07:53 AM
Sir Vyper (SVC) just finished normal mode... let's see how far we can go in heroic... Good luck to everyone who is trying!

Rasputin
10-30-2013, 08:05 AM
To put this in further context, Heroic 13, 15, 16, 18, & 19 have a combined INCREASE of 33 bosses (which are also approx 70% stronger than last time). The TOTAL number of bosses from last time for the last 10 levels of Heroic was... 34. Levels 13-19 went from 13 combined bosses to 46. The levels are on average nearly 3x longer than last time. Again ignoring the change in strength.

This event was made for FUN & RK. Everybody else is fooling themselves if they even think they have a chance to finish.

Pophai
10-30-2013, 08:31 AM
I do not see the logik behind GREEs actions.
It is obvious there are only 2-3 guilds that are able to finish, which means are willing to spend an ridiculous ammount of real money.

Lets even say there are 10 guilds, that spend 5.000$ each, what makes 50.000$. If they make the quest easier, lets say achievable with 500$ there will be maybe 200 guilds going for that, filling GREEs pockets with 100.000$
Not to mention all the fun and motivation that is lost with setting unreachable targets...

Rasputin
10-30-2013, 08:48 AM
I just did the math on total boss strength for these levels. Level H19 went from 824 Million to 21.4 Billion. It's approx a 25 fold increase on that level alone.

Beginning on H13 through H19 (last level with known quest), total Strength went from 4,440 Million to 41,693 Million.

Total gem cost to complete will probably increase 10-fold or more. If I was in FUN or RK, I would be seriously considering not finishing a quest for the first time ever.

[JAG] Ryan
10-30-2013, 09:32 AM
Honestly this Raid Boss requires much more then 5'000 $ per guild and i believe there are many guilds out ready to spend that amount if the reward is interesting. The last one was already at 10'000$+ for us. My estimation is coming close to 30'000$+ per guild, unless we are talking about T5. This simply makes no sense in relation to the rewards or at least not for us. ;-)

We have run quickly up to H 16/33 and faced the first bigger wall requiring a higher effort. But as more as i see those numbers moving up as more im willing to pull off for us. The entire estimation exceeds 200 Bil HP (only counting 15 Boss Kills on each Boss Level and not assuming that those numbers may increase too) , which is compared to the last event (appx. 70 Bil Hp), almost 3 times higher. And even the stats increased a lot by then, the damage dealt has not doubled or even trippled, lol.

However, either some numbers are here by mistake, like they took the Raid Boss numbers from another game, or Gree simply wants that amount of $ for that event, understanding that only a very limited number of guilds is out there having the capabilites, the fire power and the readiness for that. Economically its the wrong decision from my point of view as any targets should be set high but reachable for at least 50-100 guilds, which obviously would result in a much higher return. But hey, i'm not Gree, lol, so don't need to understand the logic behind that.

Alexius
10-30-2013, 09:56 AM
I think that they figured out that they can make more off of FUN and RKs incessant stat gluttony and pursuit/defense of number one than the rest of the game combined. Makes sense to me. The question is how far down the rabbit hole does everyone else want to go?

[JAG] Ryan
10-30-2013, 10:10 AM
I agree on wars, especially on the last one, but disagree on the Raid Boss. As lets say T3's average damage done is around 25-30 Mil Hp per mega others doe have an average around 15 mil HP or even 10 Mil and less. This obviously means that a lower ranked guild would need much more gems to finish the Raid Boss compared to T3. So where we or others would need to spend 30k $ they might only spend 10-15k $. 3 times 10-15k plus a very limited amount of others going for that would not meet anything similar compared to a Raid Boss being 1/3 of that weight as already 5-10 guilds spending 5-10k $ would generate the equal amount.

Alexius
10-30-2013, 10:29 AM
True, they'd spend a fraction of what we would need to accomplish the same task but i bet even at their strength it's not a small amount by any means. This is the motivation for adding a number of bosses while increasing the difficulty of each boss. They no longer care about making it FUN for the lower tier guilds and are testing the waters to see if their profits rise more because of the pursuit of the prize by the top guilds? or if it declines because more guilds quit? or if several guilds will get as far as they can while spending 3-4x the amount that the tops guild spend thus raising overall profits.

Guido69
10-30-2013, 11:06 AM
RB Heroic Level 20: 1x Boss 75, 15 minutes
RB Heroic Level 21: 8x Boss 80

[JAG] Ryan
10-30-2013, 11:10 AM
many thanks for the info Guido. Would be interesting to see if 22/33 is 15 x Boss 90, lol

Rasputin
10-30-2013, 11:11 AM
Is that accurate Guido? Level 21 is 8x80? That seems very odd given that level 16 was 10x80.

Guido69
10-30-2013, 11:17 AM
Is that accurate Guido? Level 21 is 8x80? That seems very odd given that level 16 was 10x80.

I know but that is what it says on the guild quest. We are doing it right now.

Guido69
10-30-2013, 11:18 AM
Ryan;1052334']many thanks for the info Guido. Would be interesting to see if 22/33 is 15 x Boss 90, lol

wait a few hours :)

finallyfree
10-30-2013, 11:55 AM
added guido point, it's 8 wins in a row without boss escape

Guido69
10-30-2013, 12:24 PM
added guido point, it's 8 wins in a row without boss escape

Thanks. I thought that is a given since we never let any boss escape, ever 😄😄

P4TR1C14N
10-30-2013, 01:03 PM
Thanks guido, based on the trend i see in the changes, i did qome calculations.


Previous raid boss 68.000.000.000 damage to be done
This raid boss 180.000.000.000 damage to be done

No further explanation needed. Triple almost...

Guido69
10-30-2013, 03:20 PM
Hold tight guys...

RB heroic 22: boss level 90, 20 (!) times

Sparky14
10-30-2013, 03:24 PM
Hold tight guys...

RB heroic 22: boss level 90, 20 (!) times

Ooh fun! Thanks for the heads up :)

NinjaHonu
10-30-2013, 03:26 PM
Hold tight guys...

RB heroic 22: boss level 90, 20 (!) times

That's fkin ridiculous.

JoeDaddy
10-30-2013, 03:29 PM
Gree, this is a brilliant way to combat stat inflation! If no one can finish the event, no one's stats go up!

Bic
10-30-2013, 03:29 PM
That's fkin ridiculous.

Eloquent and precise

Guido69
10-30-2013, 03:31 PM
I can't help but saying that you (Gree) now finally lost complete grasp of your own game. It's neither challenging nor fun. It's plain and simply ridiculous. You have no sense of what is doable and how to make your game interesting.

Why can't you think of an even higher number? Why not defeat level 100 hundred times?

You can stick your bosses...

Guido69
10-30-2013, 03:32 PM
For your scheduled maintenance I would seriously recommend a permanent one.

Euchred
10-30-2013, 03:33 PM
So mapped out based on the pattern it might look something like this

16 80x10
17 70 in 15
18 75x7
19 85x15
20 75 in 15
21 80x8
22 90x20
23 80 in 15
24 85x9
25 95x25
26 85 in 15
27 90x10
28 100x30
29 90 in 15
30 95x11
31 95 in 15
32 100x12
33 100 in 15

Alexius
10-30-2013, 03:36 PM
I can't help but saying that you (Gree) now finally lost complete grasp of your own game. It's neither challenging nor fun. It's plain and simply ridiculous. You have no sense of what is doable and how to make your game interesting.

Why can't you think of an even higher number? Why not defeat level 100 hundred times?

You can stick your bosses...

I aGREE 100%. What a lazy event.

JoeDaddy
10-30-2013, 03:36 PM
I feel like I'm in some sociological experiment to see how much people will actually spend on a game. Perhaps we're nearing the end of the study???

Rastlin
10-30-2013, 03:55 PM
Gree, this is a brilliant way to combat stat inflation! If no one can finish the event, no one's stats go up!
FUN and RK's will.

Guido69
10-30-2013, 03:56 PM
Perhaps we're nearing the end of the study???

...very rapidly. Results are conclusive and unambiguous.

shaman01
10-30-2013, 04:01 PM
this game is getting ridiculous. you have to tap and you have to pay at the same time. normally you get paid to work but this game makes you pay to work.

[JAG] Ryan
10-30-2013, 04:25 PM
Thx Guido, this was the last info i was waiting about, lol.

Zenobia
10-30-2013, 04:43 PM
Okay I am going to try an updated chart here, with every quest part labeled "confirmed" or "unconfirmed". I am going to extrapolate to fill in the unconfirmed parts based on the patterns established in the parts that are confirmed, and assuming that up until 31/33, the every third pattern remains. I will back-fill the early stages but this is where it starts diverging from last time

PartRequirementLast Raid Bossdifference
13/335 @L751 @L75+4 L75s
14/331 @L65 in 15 minutes(same)
15/337 @L70 in a row4 @L70 in a row+3 L70s

16/3310 @L801 @L80+9 L80s
17/331 @L70 in 15 minutes(same)
18/337 @L75 in a row4 @L75 in a row+3 L75s

19/3315 @L851 @L85+14 L85s
20/331 @L75 in 15 minutes(same)
21/338 @L80 in a row[5 @L80 in a row+3 L80s

22/3320 @L901 @L90+19 L90s
23/331 @L80 in 15 minutes(same)
24/339 @L85 in a row5 @L85 in a row+4 L85s

25/3325 @L951 @L95+19 L95s
26/331 @L85 in 15 minutes(same)
27/3310 @L90 in a row5 @L90 in a row+5 L90s

28/3330 @L1001 @L100+29 L100s
29/331 @L90 in 15 minutes(same)
30/3311 @L95 in a row7 @L95 in a row+4 L95s

31/331 @L95 in 15 minutes(same)
32/3312 @L100 in a row10 @L100 in a row+2 L100s
33/331 @L100 in 15 minutes(same)

THESE ARE ALL CONFIRMED NOW

Note that the pattern beginning at 13/33 USED to be 1 new higher level boss every third quest part. NOW that is 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, and 30 bosses.

The total boss health from 16-33/33 the last time around was 64.5 billion health.
This time 16-33/33 alone has 265.6 billion health.
Therefore, 16-33/33 this time is OVER FOUR TIMES HARDER.

Lithia
10-30-2013, 04:46 PM
It's very simple, Gree are just ripping the piss out of everyone... Enough said.

NinjaHonu
10-30-2013, 04:51 PM
Z,
i dont mean to be picky but math is off a bit ;)
19/33 is +14
28/33 is +29

Thanks for putting that together!

Zenobia
10-30-2013, 04:52 PM
Actually THANKS for being picky! I want help to get my chart correct. :)

ETA: Regardless, the math I did on how many trillions more raid boss health there is to kill this time around was done in a ss and not affected by any errors in the chart I posted here.

Voxker
10-30-2013, 04:52 PM
getting way too out of hand... this is ridiculous -.-

Rastlin
10-30-2013, 05:11 PM
getting way too out of hand... this is ridiculous -.-
Wait for it......Wait for it..... Remember when we all tried warning everyone this was the direction GREE was going, and complaining so much? Now you know why we got mad at you for not understanding... Welcome aboard, as you see we need as many as we can telling GREE enough is enough!

Guido69
10-30-2013, 05:16 PM
Ryan;1053063']Thx Guido, this was the last info i was waiting about, lol.

You're welcome 👍

Hockeydoc
10-30-2013, 06:42 PM
I have played Kingdom Age for a long time. I run a guild, I fight in wars, I work on all the events, and I talk with players at different levels through chat rooms. I am saying, enough is enough. Each event, the stakes get higher and the cost for playing the game go through the roof. Players have contributed to this nonsense by spending more and more each event. But not now. We had a guild of players willing to spend upwards of $150 US apiece to complete this event. But not after we saw that 22/33 of Heroic was going to be 20, Level 90 bosses, with no idea what the remaining levels would bring.

Bad enough that the prizes for these levels are not impressive, but the fact that the number of kills was going up to unheard of levels is ridiculous. You are killing the game by making events that no one except the top one or two guilds can afford. I'm sure there is some business executive convincing the powers that be that Gree will make money on this event, despite fewer people attempting the entire Raid Boss event. But, have you examined the long term implications for pricing yourselves out of a market?

I have gone from a free player to one willing to spend that $150 to complete an event in a silly game. Now, you have managed to convince me to save that $150 for something else entirely. As one player, it is easy for you to ignore my concerns. But as a player who is in contact with hundreds of other players, our voices add up, as do the dollars your company will lose as players quit the game or who convince other players to not spend money.

You have a choice. Keep increasing the costs for people to play to destroy Kingdom Age, or increase things slightly over time to keep loyal consumers filling your coffers.

Thank you for your time.
Hockeydoc
Game name: Serita

Zenobia
10-30-2013, 06:49 PM
I revised my chart with the numbers which have all been confirmed. 32/33 followed the pattern of the bosses in a row thankfully so was not quite as many as I thought. So it is every so slightly better, but still OBSCENE.

Clearly, us regular Joes getting any sense of accomplishment out of the game by having even a chance of finishing quests like these no longer matters to Gree. The RK / FUN battle of the last war proved to them that that is where all there money comes from and if they just keep squeezing more out of the Top 2 teams, that is all that matters to them and the rest of us be damned.

Rastlin
10-30-2013, 06:50 PM
People keep not understanding that GREE (and other games like this) do not care about anyone but the 1% whales. The business model is milk them for as much as they can, period. This article called Chasing the Whale has been posted many times, but it seems no one reads it (which is what GREE hopes for that no one does read it)... http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/chasing_the_whale_examining_the_.php?print=1

Ben Dover 300
10-30-2013, 06:53 PM
If this was a 500k stat reward unit and 50% health regen it may be worth it. Maybe? If the reward was really good and this was like it was last time I can see a lot of people doing it. Instead of generating revenue this time they will lose revenue and push people away.


I have played Kingdom Age for a long time. I run a guild, I fight in wars, I work on all the events, and I talk with players at different levels through chat rooms. I am saying, enough is enough. Each event, the stakes get higher and the cost for playing the game go through the roof. Players have contributed to this nonsense by spending more and more each event. But not now. We had a guild of players willing to spend upwards of $150 US apiece to complete this event. But not after we saw that 22/33 of Heroic was going to be 20, Level 90 bosses, with no idea what the remaining levels would bring.

Bad enough that the prizes for these levels are not impressive, but the fact that the number of kills was going up to unheard of levels is ridiculous. You are killing the game by making events that no one except the top one or two guilds can afford. I'm sure there is some business executive convincing the powers that be that Gree will make money on this event, despite fewer people attempting the entire Raid Boss event. But, have you examined the long term implications for pricing yourselves out of a market?

I have gone from a free player to one willing to spend that $150 to complete an event in a silly game. Now, you have managed to convince me to save that $150 for something else entirely. As one player, it is easy for you to ignore my concerns. But as a player who is in contact with hundreds of other players, our voices add up, as do the dollars your company will lose as players quit the game or who convince other players to not spend money.

You have a choice. Keep increasing the costs for people to play to destroy Kingdom Age, or increase things slightly over time to keep loyal consumers filling your coffers.

Thank you for your time.
Hockeydoc
Game name: Serita

Voxker
10-30-2013, 07:00 PM
People keep not understanding that GREE (and other games like this) do not care about anyone but the 1% whales. The business model is milk them for as much as they can, period. This article called Chasing the Whale has been posted many times, but it seems no one reads it (which is what GREE hopes for that no one does read it)... http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/chasing_the_whale_examining_the_.php?print=1

its the udder truth.

lv_phish
10-30-2013, 08:11 PM
I woke up and stopped spending money on gems a while ago - I kick myself every time I think about spending real money to buy fake money in order to click a stupid button a few more times. I still tap away like a champ but the allure of the game is fading rapidly. But you are correct - Gree only cares about milking that top 1% and will continue until the game is dead. Then they will come up with a new game with a similar format and start all over. KA's days are numbered fellas - the writing is on the wall.

Chups Crow
10-30-2013, 08:22 PM
With so many games for GREE, Kingdom Age isn't exactly their favorite. With less manpower, they don't care about this game's future. It's obvious that the game getting harder and more frustrating is a big sign that tells you to F*** off. They are just waiting for players to give up so they can move on to other exciting games that they can and will develop. Come on...you guys know this. Somehow before KA dies, milking the cows to it's last drop is a brilliant idea.

Antonio NL1
10-30-2013, 08:29 PM
We have completed normal and gotten halfway through heroic. As a team we have decided to stop here. We refuse to give GREE the thousands that we have payed for the last 2 raid boss events if the odds are so stacked against us. We hope that GREE will improve this game for teams other than the top2.

Bohemian
10-30-2013, 08:51 PM
27/3310 @L90 in a row5 @L90 in a row+5 L90s

28/3330 @L1001 @L100+29 L100s
29/331 @L90 in 15 minutes(same)
30/3311 @L95 in a row7 @L95 in a row+4 L95s

31/331 @L95 in 15 minutes(same)
32/3312 @L100 in a row10 @L100 in a row+2 L100s
33/331 @L100 in 15 minutes(same)[/table]

.

Nothing to say except, ........WOW, OMFG, WTF, REALLY ?........
Is Kingdom Age really about FUN n RK now ??.....

Bohemian
10-30-2013, 08:53 PM
Oops whats wrong with the quote.... Hahaha

Guido69
10-30-2013, 09:25 PM
Nothing to say except, ........WOW, OMFG, WTF, REALLY ?........
Is Kingdom Age really about FUN n RK now ??.....

No, it is in fact not. The game is not fun for anyone right now. Yes, they are appealing to the top spenders and launch one event after another with more and more difficulty. Playing to the addiction.

In any case, the really last word lies with the Federal Trade Commission.

NinjaHonu
10-30-2013, 10:38 PM
Some math for you all. I have people in my guild complaining why we are stopping and not going to finish heroic.... damn kids. Here's some numbers for all you other (non gemmers) thinking - "Why isn't my guild finishing this."

Let's paint a really good scenerio:
- 60 man guild (Somehow got "lucky" and unlocked all guild bonuses)
- Average Force Attack in your guild is 12 million (very generous)
- Total boss health for HEROIC only = 274,638,384,544

274,638,384,544 / 60 members = 4.578 billion damage per member
4.578 billion / 12 million = 382 Force Attacks
382 Force Attacks * 25 gems per refill = 9550 gems PER MEMBER

Total Gems = 60 * 9550 = 573,000 gems
573,000 / 1500 = 382 mountains
382 mountains * $80 sale price = $30,560 US

This is all if your average force attack in your guild is 12m.... very rare for any guild outside of the top 10-25 to have that average.

"(Little high pitched kid voice) But, but, but what about free health regen?" Not even a factor. There are much more bosses to beat this time around where you have to be killing them around the clock non stop if you want to finish.

193 total bosses to kill in heroic only
6 days in RB event.
(24h * 6d) / 193 = .75 h = 45 minutes per boss.

You need average 45 minutes a boss to finish this event. (This is only counting Heroic portion)

Fun Fact:
If you average 350 CP a hit in wars this equates to a little over 32 million CP in gem usage. About the average the Top 2 guilds score each war if you take out the last war where RK tried to take over the top spot.

Bloodsucker
10-31-2013, 12:17 AM
Some math for you all. I have people in my guild complaining why we are stopping and not going to finish heroic.... damn kids. Here's some numbers for all you other (non gemmers) thinking - "Why isn't my guild finishing this."

Let's paint a really good scenerio:
- 60 man guild (Somehow got "lucky" and unlocked all guild bonuses)
- Average Force Attack in your guild is 12 million (very generous)
- Total boss health for HEROIC only = 274,638,384,544

274,638,384,544 / 60 members = 4.578 billion damage per member
4.578 billion / 12 million = 382 Force Attacks
382 Force Attacks * 25 gems per refill = 9550 gems PER MEMBER

Total Gems = 60 * 9550 = 573,000 gems
573,000 / 1500 = 382 mountains
382 mountains * $80 sale price = $30,560 US

This is all if your average force attack in your guild is 12m.... very rare for any guild outside of the top 10-25 to have that average.

"(Little high pitched kid voice) But, but, but what about free health regen?" Not even a factor. There are much more bosses to beat this time around where you have to be killing them around the clock non stop if you want to finish.

193 total bosses to kill in heroic only
6 days in RB event.
(24h * 6d) / 193 = .75 h = 45 minutes per boss.

You need average 45 minutes a boss to finish this event. (This is only counting Heroic portion)

Fun Fact:
If you average 350 CP a hit in wars this equates to a little over 32 million CP in gem usage. About the average the Top 2 guilds score each war if you take out the last war where RK tried to take over the top spot.

Free health regen is a factor if you have a well organized guild...for instance, team 1 kill this boss. Team 2 regen for next boss in 45 minutes. Etc...

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 12:27 AM
Tnx, guido... It looks my prediction in the beginning off the thread is going to be spot on.

This is ridiculous. It's up to RK and FUN now to pull the plug and say stop.

As i said already on day 2 off this event. Gree went really too far this time and implicitly lost all trust they had left from their player community.

Funny thing is that sirius or Gree has time to post a 'maintenance' message but hides as usual in a corner when reading how upset the community is.

I'm done with this.

Vendetta V
10-31-2013, 12:35 AM
Everybody who goes beyond lv.24/33 is crazy and gives GREE excactly what they want...

When is it enough? ???

mighty mackenzie
10-31-2013, 12:42 AM
You will make everyone never participate in this once fun raid boss event. You upped the damage to kill the boss and added tons more bosses! You are ruining this game! It's really sad because I really liked this game! It's not too late to fix this event!

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 12:47 AM
You will make everyone never participate in this once fun raid boss event. You upped the damage to kill the boss and added tons more bosses! You are ruining this game! It's really sad because I really liked this game! It's not too late to fix this event!

How can you fix this... Do you know how much gems already spent by top guilds to get to heroic 20 or higher? I think they did already an extra complete raid boss event off last time to get there :)

s.m.p
10-31-2013, 12:48 AM
Sir SMP guild completed normal

NinjaHonu
10-31-2013, 01:05 AM
Free health regen is a factor if you have a well organized guild...for instance, team 1 kill this boss. Team 2 regen for next boss in 45 minutes. Etc...

Are you really trying to argue that health regen is a factor in this RB? seriously? maybe you save a couple thousand gems total. But in the grand scheme of things it's not that much when it requires 500k+ gems to complete. That statement was pointed at the majority not the 1% where they can regen a Mega Attack in 18-20 minutes.

Rastlin
10-31-2013, 01:22 AM
How can you fix this... Do you know how much gems already spent by top guilds to get to heroic 20 or higher? I think they did already an extra complete raid boss event off last time to get there :)
Since Mighty Mackenzie is in Samurai Blood, I am pretty sure she knows how much has been spent so far. ;)

senna
10-31-2013, 01:26 AM
How can you fix this... Do you know how much gems already spent by top guilds to get to heroic 20 or higher? I think they did already an extra complete raid boss event off last time to get there :)

I think if the interest starts to taper off, Gree can always throw in a gem sale. That might stimulate the Gree economy. I would have to agree with you that the difficulty as you progress through the higher levels is indeed getting quite ridiculous.

almarro1
10-31-2013, 01:38 AM
I think if the interest starts to taper off, Gree can always throw in a gem sale. That might stimulate the Gree economy. I would have to agree with you that the difficulty as you progress through the higher levels is indeed getting quite ridiculous.

For sure, Gree is monitoring this event. When they notice that 99% of guilds are not doing more levels, they will throw a sale as you said (my guess, it will be in about 12 hours from now, Thursday evening in Europe).

Rastlin
10-31-2013, 01:43 AM
A 40% off sale will not help, at least not for smart guilds that have done all the math. What will a 40% off sale solve? The amount of gems needed at 40% off is still WAY more than the last Raid Boss.

NinjaHonu
10-31-2013, 02:07 AM
A 40% off sale will not help, at least not for smart guilds that have done all the math. What will a 40% off sale solve? The amount of gems needed at 40% off is still WAY more than the last Raid Boss.

Shhhhhh.. It will help. Give us 40% gem sale please. Will allow me to stock up for war. ;)

HAMM€R
10-31-2013, 02:18 AM
I need new job to raid boss complete the event please. Failed with former boss who fired me. Please render me assistance of your most pleasurable Service Customer who helpful so. Appreciated much thank you

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 02:47 AM
Guido, any new already on Heroic 23,24,25?

mighty mackenzie
10-31-2013, 03:48 AM
These levels are completely ridiculous and not worth the gems required! Gree has completely ruined what was once a fun event! This event was made to squeeze the top three guilds. I honestly don't believe any other guilds will finish it.

almarro1
10-31-2013, 04:05 AM
These levels are completely ridiculous and not worth the gems required! Gree has completely ruined what was once a fun event! This event was made to squeeze the top three guilds. I honestly don't believe any other guilds will finish it.

I doubt any other guilds apart from FUN and RK are finishing this event.

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 04:12 AM
I doubt any other guilds apart from FUN and RK are finishing this event.

Isnt it funny :)... Player base off thousands off guilds and then you get events that only 2 guilds can finish. Hilarious.

I quote gree: 'Yes, we do listen to your comments'

larrydavid
10-31-2013, 04:35 AM
I will be castrated for this post as usual, but here it goes.

Isn't war a quest that only 1 guild 'finishes', i.e. comes in first and thus gets the +25% attack boost? Of course, we all compete in the quest but we finish 24th, 417th, etc and get the respective prizes. Which in my mind is equivalent to getting through the same percentage of any other quest. i.e. Raid boss 19/33 heroic + all of normal or just normal...whatever it may be. How is RB any different if FUN and RK are the only ones getting the +20% attack again?

My calculations are as realistic as I could make them and here are the assumptions:
-Kill 2hr bosses in 1 hour and kill 15min boss in 5minutes.
-Avg mega attack is 14mil.
-56 guild members
-1 free refill per 2hr boss and 0 for 15min boss.

I calculated *only* 95 mountains for levels 19-33 heroic (what most would consider the high gem portion of the quest). I say *only* because to get this same boost in war would cost you first place...or equivalently ~300 mountains.

Does it suck that this quest is so hard? yes. But the truth is that by making the quest achievable by lots of players renders the bonuses useless. The truth is, as everyone has already stated, Gree only cares about FUN and RK. Everyone continues to threaten them by not spending anymore...and then the second a 20% or 40% sale hits, they buy and spend during war, box events, bosses, etc. The ownness is as much on us to stop spending as it is on Gree.

almarro1
10-31-2013, 05:01 AM
Larry, I did the same calculations as you did and instead of 98 mountains I estimate 265. An my guild has 58 spots and average FA hits of more than 15M.
Regarding rewards, I do not agree with your logic: top3 guilds are 2-3 times stronger than other top10 guilds and probably 50 times than top50 ones. When Gree makes these quests strong for them, it is also making it much more stronger for the rest of us.
For sure more people will buy gems the next time a sale is up, but probably these will be half the players that did the last time.

rsd007
10-31-2013, 05:17 AM
this quest should be named normal/crazy not prestige or heroic

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 05:32 AM
I will be castrated for this post as usual, but here it goes.

Isn't war a quest that only 1 guild 'finishes', i.e. comes in first and thus gets the +25% attack boost? Of course, we all compete in the quest but we finish 24th, 417th, etc and get the respective prizes. Which in my mind is equivalent to getting through the same percentage of any other quest. i.e. Raid boss 19/33 heroic + all of normal or just normal...whatever it may be. How is RB any different if FUN and RK are the only ones getting the +20% attack again?

My calculations are as realistic as I could make them and here are the assumptions:
-Kill 2hr bosses in 1 hour and kill 15min boss in 5minutes.
-Avg mega attack is 14mil.
-56 guild members
-1 free refill per 2hr boss and 0 for 15min boss.

I calculated *only* 95 mountains for levels 19-33 heroic (what most would consider the high gem portion of the quest). I say *only* because to get this same boost in war would cost you first place...or equivalently ~300 mountains.

Does it suck that this quest is so hard? yes. But the truth is that by making the quest achievable by lots of players renders the bonuses useless. The truth is, as everyone has already stated, Gree only cares about FUN and RK. Everyone continues to threaten them by not spending anymore...and then the second a 20% or 40% sale hits, they buy and spend during war, box events, bosses, etc. The ownness is as much on us to stop spending as it is on Gree.

You should be castrated indeed for that post. :).

Why do even want to compare a raid boss with a war. The prizes are totally different. Are you going to defend that finishing heroic 19/33 fo example gives you a 2k unit? That unit you get for free in other events. Are you going to defend killing 15 lvl85 bosses is worth it to get 15k honor?

Sorry my friend, you are not straight thinking on this one.

On top your caclulation is on the low hand. Do it x2-3.

And one thing that is never mentioned, neither by you, is the fact that by adding all the extra bosses, also the time constraint becomes an important factor as you simply don't have 2 hours to kill a boss. You are forced to go to a 1hour or less time to kill ANY boss at ALL times.

Cheers and i'm burning a candle you might see the light soon. If not, consider a carreer at gree :)

larrydavid
10-31-2013, 05:41 AM
Larry, I did the same calculations as you did and instead of 98 mountains I estimate 265. An my guild has 58 spots and average FA hits of more than 15M.
Regarding rewards, I do not agree with your logic: top3 guilds are 2-3 times stronger than other top10 guilds and probably 50 times than top50 ones. When Gree makes these quests strong for them, it is also making it much more stronger for the rest of us.
For sure more people will buy gems the next time a sale is up, but probably these will be half the players that did the last time.


You should be castrated indeed for that post. :).

Why do even want to compare a raid boss with a war. The prizes are totally different. +25% infantry boost is not that different than +20% magic attack boost. I am comparing them because the only prize people care about is the one that is directly comparable. Are you going to defend that finishing heroic 19/33 fo example gives you a 2k unit? No, I'm saying the amount spent to get to 19/33H is a fair amount for the total sum of prizes up to that point. That unit you get for free in other events. Are you going to defend killing 15 lvl85 bosses is worth it to get 15k honor?

Sorry my friend, you are not straight thinking on this one.

On top your caclulation is on the low hand. Do it x2-3. see below

And one thing that is never mentioned, neither by you, is the fact that by adding all the extra bosses, also the time constraint becomes an important factor as you simply don't have 2 hours to kill a boss. You are forced to go to a 1hour or less time to kill ANY boss at ALL times. please reread my post, i include 1hr per boss. but nice try

Cheers and i'm burning a candle you might see the light soon. If not, consider a carreer at gree I've used this insult in past threads, did you copy and paste it? ;) :)

Calculation from 8 bosses left in 19H (yes, I could have mistyped damage somewhere or not have the correct numbers):
Total damage left: 223.46 billion
avg FA: .015 billion
total hours for all bosses: 128
number guild members: 56
total hits = 223.46/.015
free hits = 128*56 (ignoring the 3 minute 15min boss kills)

rough estimate: ((223.46/.015)-128*56)*25/1500 = 129 mtns

This will be my last post. you two do not bother me too much, but the mass amount of complaining on this forum is awful.

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 06:14 AM
Larry, by the way, nothing personal :)

One last reply on your reply. You are mentioning the final prize... Yes, those are 'comparable'. Nevertheless, the prizes inbetween are a joke and those can't be compared to the prizes in a war. Top10 does get about 10 prizes for all the brackets where again % increases are included and on top they are much higher as a 2k unit every two levels.

Sorry o've overlooked the time constraint... My bad.

Maybe you can plot the prizes against eachother for finishing a war spot 1 and finishing raid boss. That is ideal comparison, not? I think or i hope hehe you will then see what i mean. I dont think the cummulatove prizes for doing a heroic quest way up to the prizes cummulatove for a war.

larrydavid
10-31-2013, 06:17 AM
Larry, by the way, nothing personal :)

One last reply on your reply. You are mentioning the final prize... Yes, those are 'comparable'. Nevertheless, the prizes inbetween are a joke and those can't be compared to the prizes in a war. Top10 does get about 10 prizes for all the brackets where again % increases are included and on top they are much higher as a 2k unit every two levels.

Sorry o've overlooked the time constraint... My bad.

Maybe you can plot the prizes against eachother for finishing a war spot 1 and finishing raid boss. That is ideal comparison, not? I think or i hope hehe you will then see what i mean. I dont think the cummulatove prizes for doing a heroic quest way up to the prizes cummulatove for a war.

killing me smalls, I agree, the war to RB prize comparison is dumb. :)

I still stand by the attack boost cost is cheaper than war.

[JAG] Ryan
10-31-2013, 06:35 AM
wow, why so Angry, lol Calm down mate.:cool:

I agree and disagree with you larrydavid, but that doesnt matter here, lol

What matters is that your math is wrong!

First of all there is no 128 hours left! (would be 5 days and 8 hours????, the counter says 3 days and 18 hours = 90 hours instead of 128 hours.) Unless you don't have a different timer here your calculation will not even come close to your estimation.

This makes already the small difference of 32 Bil HP, which btw, is almost 45% HP from the entire Raid Boss 3, lol

In addition you are also assuming that all 56 Members will do all free hits over 90 hours, which is not really very realistic but anyway.

Also we all don't know how the further stages look like, but projecting the numbers given so far it really looks more into the direction towards 300 Bil HP then 223 Bil Hp for those parts.

Nevertheless, Im not saying its right or wrong to do it. It is everybody's choice to go for the finish or not.

However, Black Ops is officially out and we have finished all 3 Raid Bosses on heroic so far. Whatever your calculation looks like, this Event is at least 3-4 times tougher then both previous Raid Bosses (Raid Boss 2 had 81'618'240'064 total HP and Raid Boss 3 had 70'355'652'875 total Hp).

Now are the rewards reasonable for that? That has to decide everybody on its own.

For us they are not, but hey, as i said, feel free to go for it and i wish you good luck finishing it.

Vendetta V
10-31-2013, 06:35 AM
Larry, even there are a lot of complains, a good discussion never hurts..

Nacon10
10-31-2013, 07:01 AM
this raid boss is incredibly difficult to complete but my guild will chip away as far as we can. thank you for the loot drops . they are adding up .

Pophai
10-31-2013, 07:20 AM
I have also calculated that event, lvl by lvl.
The result differs depending on the variables. Even if you have 56 guild members you will never have all of them online, maybe 35-45. Another important factor is avg FA, is it more like 15mn or 18mn... The difference between those 2 scenarios is almost 100%

With the most realistic assumptions and with regards to time fector I come to roughly 250 mountains of gems needed.

It´s really not funny anymore :(

Guido69
10-31-2013, 08:29 AM
You guys sure like to do your calculations.

Some more numbers for you to crunch...

- 60 member guild
- at the most 40 online at the same time
- average force attack maybe around 25M
- average full regen time maybe around 20 minutes

I will update the next level(s) hopefully soon...

P4TR1C14N
10-31-2013, 08:31 AM
You guys sure like to do your calculations.

Some more numbers for you to crunch...

- 60 member guild
- at the most 40 online at the same time
- average force attack maybe around 25M
- average full regen time maybe around 20 minutes

I will update the next level(s) hopefully soon...

Hehe, you play with money, we with numbers.

Based on above, its easy... You do it for free gnagna.

[JAG] Ryan
10-31-2013, 08:44 AM
You guys sure like to do your calculations.

Some more numbers for you to crunch...

- 60 member guild
- at the most 40 online at the same time
- average force attack maybe around 25M
- average full regen time maybe around 20 minutes

I will update the next level(s) hopefully soon...


This will depend on the upcoming numbers. But if we assume that 25/33 = 25 x lvl 95, 28/33 = 30 x lvl 100 and 32/33 = 35 x lvl 100, then you would need to kill 121 remaining Bosses after 22/33. By having 87 hours time left (+/- server downtime) this means a Boss kill each 45 Minutes.

Assuming that ave regen time is 30 Mins (20 Mins would be nmore then awesome, lol) you will end up with 38 Mountains in total form now on.

But again all based on estimated amounts of Boss kills for upcoming levels ;-) Could be better or worth.

4753

JPNy
10-31-2013, 08:50 AM
You guys sure like to do your calculations.

Some more numbers for you to crunch...

- 60 member guild
- at the most 40 online at the same time
- average force attack maybe around 25M
- average full regen time maybe around 20 minutes

I will update the next level(s) hopefully soon...

Actually appreciate your share !!

Let's say an average of 28 members online at the same time !
28*25m*2 = 1400m damages dealt every 40 minutes
Then 25 gems per member for a third FA and you have a level 100 beaten every hour (counting the 20 min regen for next one).

OK for FUN it's absolutely not challenging or even costly. Just boring to come every 20 min make a tap (or 2) !!

Gree has succeeded to make a game discouraging to play for most players and totally boring for their elite ones.

Guido69
10-31-2013, 09:48 AM
update:

RB Heroic 23: 1x Boss Level 80, 15 minutes
RB Heroic 24: 8x Boss Level 85, without escaping

Sparky14
10-31-2013, 10:00 AM
update:

RB Heroic 23: 1x Boss Level 80, 15 minutes
RB Heroic 24: 8x Boss Level 85, without escaping

Really appreciate the info! We're still chugging along!

almarro1
10-31-2013, 10:33 AM
update:

RB Heroic 23: 1x Boss Level 80, 15 minutes
RB Heroic 24: 8x Boss Level 85, without escaping

Following that series, then remaining levels would be:
H 27: 9x Level 90
H 30: 9x Level 95
H 32: 10x Level 100 (same as last event)

Muddy
10-31-2013, 10:54 AM
25/33 -25*lvl95?

Voxker
10-31-2013, 12:26 PM
Any guilds close to being done?

Crow-Magnum
10-31-2013, 12:41 PM
you're going to need a much bigger bowl of popcorn if you're waiting this one out, Voxker. ;-D

Spydrax
10-31-2013, 03:59 PM
Hey everyone,
Many good points and counter points being discussed. Just what a healthy debate should consist of.

For those stopping, and having your guild question why; I stopped mine last event and was questioned, but I ran the numbers and knowing the money players, time zones, etc, I knew we were hitting a ceiling at 'X' boss. They didn't believe me, so, I said okay.... Go for it. Let's try the next lvl. We failed bad. Event stopped and we opened several smaller bosses so everyone could get needed loot. People sometimes fail to see the 'values' and only look at the lvl of the boss. There are some large jumps there.

For those pressing forward into heroic: I guess you'd have to ask yourself: Whats your end game? Once you know, then you can best determine how much you and your guild is willing to spend to get that particular outcome. If we already know that only 2 guilds have a shot at this, then everyone else simply needs to put your guilds value somewhere, strive for that objective and complete that objective.

For FUN/RK: bless you! Honestly... Much respect, both in shear power and pocket book. The dispensable money this must cost you day in and day out must be ridiculous by most of our standards. So, honestly, my hats off and respect to you for having such fortitude and commitment as well as bank. I personally, wouldn't ask you to stop, it's agame and you're free to spend your money as you wish. You've earned it, you can spend it.

General statement: all the values I've seen calculating gem expenditures hasn't, as I've seen, taken into account the large free gem distribution coming from spending as much as some of these players do. Understanding that one lvl pays out, what was it? 250.000 gems? That's over and above the gems you've purchased. That a huge amount of gems.

FUN, is committed and dedicated to reigning supreme and will do whatever they feel is necessary to see that happens.
RK, wants to bring them down, so as any #2 (no disrespect intended), the drive and desire burns hot for that elusive position.

The rest of us, well, find your happy place brothers and sisters... Really.... It's a game. Put in what you want out of it and be happy with that. Seriously, it's more important to have fun? GREE can't apply pressure to you, you provide your own pressure by trying to keep up with everything going on in the game.

Just sayin......

What's that quote? "there's always going to be someone stronger."

The red Baron
10-31-2013, 04:44 PM
Normal
25 Abyssal Reaper 1961 1449

Prestige
3 Abyssal Summoner 847 1065
5 Abyssal Trapper 1047 1047
7 Abyssal Nightglider 1325 978
9 Abyssal Daemon 1128 1405
11 Heart of the Abyss 1520 1520
13 Abyssal Mindflayer 2098 1550

Rastlin
10-31-2013, 04:45 PM
People need to understand this event is not for "us", this event is for FUN. Most do not know but FUN has asked GREE for a long time for special units, and events that rank them at the top. This is that event. Let's just enjoy seeing FUN do well, and be happy for them. It is no different than the wars... They pay for it, and should get it.

Voxker
10-31-2013, 05:22 PM
People need to understand this event is not for "us", this event is for FUN. Most do not know but FUN has asked GREE for a long time for special units, and events that rank them at the top. This is that event. Let's just enjoy seeing FUN do well, and be happy for them. It is no different than the wars... They pay for it, and should get it.

so much for a community event.

Rastlin
10-31-2013, 05:32 PM
so much for a community event.
The truth is the truth... Did you read the article I have posted a few times now?

Voxker
10-31-2013, 05:40 PM
The truth is the truth... Did you read the article I have posted a few times now?

yeah. shame what this has come to, everything was fine until guilds

Shazam
10-31-2013, 05:45 PM
Hey everyone,
Many good points and counter points being discussed. Just what a healthy debate should consist of.

For those stopping, and having your guild question why; I stopped mine last event and was questioned, but I ran the numbers and knowing the money players, time zones, etc, I knew we were hitting a ceiling at 'X' boss. They didn't believe me, so, I said okay.... Go for it. Let's try the next lvl. We failed bad. Event stopped and we opened several smaller bosses so everyone could get needed loot. People sometimes fail to see the 'values' and only look at the lvl of the boss. There are some large jumps there.

For those pressing forward into heroic: I guess you'd have to ask yourself: Whats your end game? Once you know, then you can best determine how much you and your guild is willing to spend to get that particular outcome. If we already know that only 2 guilds have a shot at this, then everyone else simply needs to put your guilds value somewhere, strive for that objective and complete that objective.

For FUN/RK: bless you! Honestly... Much respect, both in shear power and pocket book. The dispensable money this must cost you day in and day out must be ridiculous by most of our standards. So, honestly, my hats off and respect to you for having such fortitude and commitment as well as bank. I personally, wouldn't ask you to stop, it's agame and you're free to spend your money as you wish. You've earned it, you can spend it.

General statement: all the values I've seen calculating gem expenditures hasn't, as I've seen, taken into account the large free gem distribution coming from spending as much as some of these players do. Understanding that one lvl pays out, what was it? 250.000 gems? That's over and above the gems you've purchased. That a huge amount of gems.

FUN, is committed and dedicated to reigning supreme and will do whatever they feel is necessary to see that happens.
RK, wants to bring them down, so as any #2 (no disrespect intended), the drive and desire burns hot for that elusive position.

The rest of us, well, find your happy place brothers and sisters... Really.... It's a game. Put in what you want out of it and be happy with that. Seriously, it's more important to have fun? GREE can't apply pressure to you, you provide your own pressure by trying to keep up with everything going on in the game.

Just sayin......

What's that quote? "there's always going to be someone stronger."
Nicely said.

Julius Wheezer
11-01-2013, 03:36 AM
I will be castrated for this post as usual, but here it goes.

Isn't war a quest that only 1 guild 'finishes', i.e. comes in first and thus gets the +25% attack boost? Of course, we all compete in the quest but we finish 24th, 417th, etc and get the respective prizes. Which in my mind is equivalent to getting through the same percentage of any other quest. i.e. Raid boss 19/33 heroic + all of normal or just normal...whatever it may be. How is RB any different if FUN and RK are the only ones getting the +20% attack again?

Does it suck that this quest is so hard? yes. But the truth is that by making the quest achievable by lots of players renders the bonuses useless.

LarryDavid is right (and, in truth, that is not something I find myself thinking very often).

It doesn't matter how accurate the calculations and reward comparisons are. What he got spot on is the game play comparison. No one can "win" at KA! Is that really why you play? What you can do is set your own, realistic, targets and achieve or fail on the level that is correct for yourself. How many people set out to be first in War? 120? How many, instead, aim for Top 10? Or Top 100? For most KA players it is the same with every event and every aspect of gameplay, this is just a little magnified!

Please enjoy what you CAN achieve, instead of complaining about what you can't. Maybe it will be better next time. Maybe not.

SF Shadow87
11-01-2013, 04:44 AM
Semperfi (SFG) and Alfa beta have finished normal

Lady Laney
11-01-2013, 04:56 AM
Hey everyone,
Many good points and counter points being discussed. Just what a healthy debate should consist of.

For those stopping, and having your guild question why; I stopped mine last event and was questioned, but I ran the numbers and knowing the money players, time zones, etc, I knew we were hitting a ceiling at 'X' boss. They didn't believe me, so, I said okay.... Go for it. Let's try the next lvl. We failed bad. Event stopped and we opened several smaller bosses so everyone could get needed loot. People sometimes fail to see the 'values' and only look at the lvl of the boss. There are some large jumps there.

For those pressing forward into heroic: I guess you'd have to ask yourself: Whats your end game? Once you know, then you can best determine how much you and your guild is willing to spend to get that particular outcome. If we already know that only 2 guilds have a shot at this, then everyone else simply needs to put your guilds value somewhere, strive for that objective and complete that objective.

For FUN/RK: bless you! Honestly... Much respect, both in shear power and pocket book. The dispensable money this must cost you day in and day out must be ridiculous by most of our standards. So, honestly, my hats off and respect to you for having such fortitude and commitment as well as bank. I personally, wouldn't ask you to stop, it's agame and you're free to spend your money as you wish. You've earned it, you can spend it.

General statement: all the values I've seen calculating gem expenditures hasn't, as I've seen, taken into account the large free gem distribution coming from spending as much as some of these players do. Understanding that one lvl pays out, what was it? 250.000 gems? That's over and above the gems you've purchased. That a huge amount of gems.

FUN, is committed and dedicated to reigning supreme and will do whatever they feel is necessary to see that happens.
RK, wants to bring them down, so as any #2 (no disrespect intended), the drive and desire burns hot for that elusive position.

The rest of us, well, find your happy place brothers and sisters... Really.... It's a game. Put in what you want out of it and be happy with that. Seriously, it's more important to have fun? GREE can't apply pressure to you, you provide your own pressure by trying to keep up with everything going on in the game.

Just sayin......

What's that quote? "there's always going to be someone stronger."

I think that was incredibly well put. Many guilds, such as my own have adopted strategy rather than straining to find our niche below the top 10. Did anyone else notice last war the burgeoning gap betwixt RK and the number 3 spot. It's a dog eat dog battle to the top and the rest of us would do well to enjoy the fun in finding ways to make our own corners of the realm stronger. 👑

Nacon10
11-01-2013, 06:51 AM
Stopped at 22 , 20x level 90 yeah sick right . Good thing new LTQ is up to have something to do .

Guido69
11-01-2013, 07:40 AM
For what it's worth...

RB heroic Level 25: 25x Boss level 95

WB -- DDP
11-01-2013, 09:28 AM
Sorry as I'm sure this is not the right place for this question, but I've searched high and low and cannot find an answer to this question: how do I calculate how much damage I and my guild mates can do with a single shot at the raid boss? I thought it was just attack score, but that never proves true. Any help greatly appreciated.

Sparky14
11-01-2013, 09:33 AM
For what it's worth...

RB heroic Level 25: 25x Boss level 95

Thanks Guido! We are still trucking along. Good to have accurate info as to what's ahead.

[JAG] Ryan
11-01-2013, 09:37 AM
HI WD

make a hit, go to the summary of the Boss and there you will see the damage you have dealt.

A mega attack is 5 x a single attack.

Guido69
11-01-2013, 10:09 AM
Thanks Guido! We are still trucking along. Good to have accurate info as to what's ahead.

Good luck to you. It's a real grind.

Shadows
11-01-2013, 10:19 AM
Sorry as I'm sure this is not the right place for this question, but I've searched high and low and cannot find an answer to this question: how do I calculate how much damage I and my guild mates can do with a single shot at the raid boss? I thought it was just attack score, but that never proves true. Any help greatly appreciated.

It is your _unboosted_ attack score against the boss (or 5X such in force hit)... you can never see your unboosted stats but your guild mates can... ask them what they see as your attack and that'll probably be your unboosted stat you need to use...

Sparky14
11-01-2013, 10:38 AM
Good luck to you. It's a real grind.

Well, please hurry up and finish so you can help us ;). Kidding! Raid boss fatigue is setting in...

WB -- DDP
11-01-2013, 11:23 AM
It is your _unboosted_ attack score against the boss (or 5X such in force hit)... you can never see your unboosted stats but your guild mates can... ask them what they see as your attack and that'll probably be your unboosted stat you need to use...

Many thanks for this.....

WmJ
11-01-2013, 11:42 AM
I cant play the raid boss event. Does anyone know why? I am in a syndict. One of the members can see the raid boss but cant summon one. The other members doesn't see the event.

Can anybody help me?

Rasputin
11-01-2013, 11:47 AM
I cant play the raid boss event. Does anyone know why? I am in a syndict. One of the members can see the raid boss but cant summon one. The other members doesn't see the event.

Can anybody help me?

Have you tried reinstalling the app to make sure you have the most recent data set?

I'll take my Gree Customer Support commission in gems, thank you very much!

JPNy
11-01-2013, 01:02 PM
It is your _unboosted_ attack score against the boss (or 5X such in force hit)... you can never see your unboosted stats but your guild mates can... ask them what they see as your attack and that'll probably be your unboosted stat you need to use...

Be careful your guildies are seeing your stats boosted out of building boosts. But unit boosts are applied. It's easy to verify with an LLP. So the only way to know your unboosted stats is to single hit a boss and note your damage.
Well you can also make a spreadsheet with your 1500 strongest units for atk... I have given up with that given the fact we have so many events and new units ...

Nudist
11-01-2013, 01:06 PM
For the OP - Fighters for Freedom (FFF) has finished regular.

larrydavid
11-01-2013, 02:02 PM
tAG still ballin out on this quest. Almost done with L24H and still on pace to finish. Who wants to drop some serious gems for this epic prize?

P4TR1C14N
11-01-2013, 02:07 PM
tAG still ballin out on this quest. Almost done with L24H and still on pace to finish. Who wants to drop some serious gems for this epic prize?

You mean... Who wants to pay so that TAG members get the prize? Max 60 players in a guild afaik or do i miss something.

But respect for trying it... For me this one is too difficult. Gree did convince me whats it about.

Good luck.

Guido69
11-01-2013, 02:12 PM
RB heroic level 26: 1x Boss level 85, 15 minutes
RB heroic level 27: 8x Boss level 90, without escaping

larrydavid
11-01-2013, 02:21 PM
You mean... Who wants to pay so that TAG members get the prize? Max 60 players in a guild afaik or do i miss something.

But respect for trying it... For me this one is too difficult. Gree did convince me whats it about.

Good luck.

No, I mean if you gem you stay for final prize.

Voxker
11-01-2013, 03:59 PM
You mean... Who wants to pay so that TAG members get the prize? Max 60 players in a guild afaik or do i miss something.

But respect for trying it... For me this one is too difficult. Gree did convince me whats it about.

Good luck.

not everyone from TAG will get the rewards... i stepped out to let gemmers in.

Bohemian
11-01-2013, 05:17 PM
tAG still ballin out on this quest. Almost done with L24H and still on pace to finish. Who wants to drop some serious gems for this epic prize?
Good luck to those who try to finish. Don't broke for conquest though, hahaha.....

E-I
11-01-2013, 11:53 PM
Convenient that this borderline retarded quest comes just before bonus gems come out. Maybe they arrive before war... But then Gree will almost certainly schedule another war in November to make up for it.

HAMM€R
11-02-2013, 12:18 AM
Can not gem find still. very hard difficult find to. boss to hard too. job lost when raiding boss. need job to finish event. help thank you very pleased service customer we continue gay time. thank you i for reply yes and i still this issue i have as you said so let you know now i do. thank much

King Gabriel388
11-02-2013, 12:45 AM
To qualify for the loot units for L100 Raid Boss, you have to score 120,000,000 points.

It's all a dream
11-02-2013, 02:22 AM
FDI finished normal a while ago.

Nacon10
11-02-2013, 06:31 AM
To qualify for the loot units for L100 Raid Boss, you have to score 120,000,000 points.

so long to cleaning up on those level 100 loot drops.

Guido69
11-02-2013, 07:19 AM
For all who are still in this...

RB level 28: 30x Boss level 100
RB level 29: 1x Boss level 90, 15 minutes
RB level 30: 15x Boss level 95, without escaping

Sparky14
11-02-2013, 07:23 AM
For all who are still in this...

RB level 28: 30x Boss level 100
RB level 29: 1x Boss level 90, 15 minutes
RB level 30: 15x Boss level 95, without escaping

Thanks, as always! We're still getting it done!

P4TR1C14N
11-02-2013, 07:42 AM
I'm laughing... Go for it guys. Show gree its an easy one.

It's a free one.

Sparky14
11-02-2013, 07:52 AM
I'm laughing... Go for it guys. Show gree its an easy one.

It's a free one.

To each his own, right? Some people have banded together to try and finish the quest. Is it horribly expensive? Yes. But I suppose we've decided that's where we want to spend our money this weekend. Some people spend a certain amount in cigarettes in a month, or booze/wine, or drugs, whatever. Some people spend it on a silly game...no matter where you spend your money, someone else is always profiting. Just sayin!

Nacon10
11-02-2013, 08:21 AM
To each his own, right? Some people have banded together to try and finish the quest. Is it horribly expensive? Yes. But I suppose we've decided that's where we want to spend our money this weekend. Some people spend a certain amount in cigarettes in a month, or booze/wine, or drugs, whatever. Some people spend it on a silly game...no matter where you spend your money, someone else is always profiting. Just sayin!

wings ML thats where my money went last night

Dragon Buster
11-02-2013, 08:36 AM
To each his own, right? Some people have banded together to try and finish the quest. Is it horribly expensive? Yes. But I suppose we've decided that's where we want to spend our money this weekend. Some people spend a certain amount in cigarettes in a month, or booze/wine, or drugs, whatever. Some people spend it on a silly game...no matter where you spend your money, someone else is always profiting. Just sayin!

I'm shopping for a luxury SUV today. I think I'll enjoy it more than the meaningless points from GREE, which btw will be even more meaningless in a matter of weeks. You're right, to each his own.

cheetah
11-02-2013, 08:45 AM
Kingdom giants have completed normal and are halfway through hero

paul2013
11-02-2013, 10:33 AM
KOS (Knight of Singarpore) completed normal and finished half heroic before few day ago

P4TR1C14N
11-02-2013, 01:28 PM
To each his own, right? Some people have banded together to try and finish the quest. Is it horribly expensive? Yes. But I suppose we've decided that's where we want to spend our money this weekend. Some people spend a certain amount in cigarettes in a month, or booze/wine, or drugs, whatever. Some people spend it on a silly game...no matter where you spend your money, someone else is always profiting. Just sayin!

You are fully entitled to spend on what you want. Gree is not our boss. So dont take it negative. If ppl find it worth the money, then they must go for it, as simple as that.

Economics are by default based on what do i get for what price. Some ppl value a virtual unit more as a week vacation, others value it different. Some find it equal to a good diner at restaurant. Others find it equal to paying for a toilet visit somewhere...

Only certainty is that the more expensive it becomes, less and less ppl will value the game at a high prize due ti stat inflation etc.

Up to the next event!

Sparky14
11-02-2013, 07:42 PM
And......we're done! TAG friends and family finished heroic!

Liethe
11-02-2013, 08:35 PM
And......we're done! TAG friends and family finished heroic!

A Big thank you from iroc26 to the TAG family and friends !!! Love you guys!! ❤️

Guido69
11-02-2013, 11:01 PM
And......we're done! TAG friends and family finished heroic!

Congrats, and we have finished today as well :)

Joshua -kol-
11-02-2013, 11:12 PM
Congrats, and we have finished today as well :)

What guild is this?

Doomkitten
11-03-2013, 12:28 AM
You are fully entitled to spend on what you want. Gree is not our boss. So dont take it negative. If ppl find it worth the money, then they must go for it, as simple as that.

Economics are by default based on what do i get for what price. Some ppl value a virtual unit more as a week vacation, others value it different. Some find it equal to a good diner at restaurant. Others find it equal to paying for a toilet visit somewhere...

Only certainty is that the more expensive it becomes, less and less ppl will value the game at a high prize due ti stat inflation etc.

Up to the next event!


I think this is well put:
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Originally Posted by Sparky14
To each his own, right? Some people have banded together to try and finish the quest. Is it horribly expensive? Yes. But I suppose we've decided that's where we want to spend our money this weekend. Some people spend a certain amount in cigarettes in a month, or booze/wine, or drugs, whatever. Some people spend it on a silly game...no matter where you spend your money, someone else is always profiting. Just sayin!"

[JAG] Ryan
11-03-2013, 01:02 AM
Big CONGRATS to FUN, TAG Friends & Family and all others who have finished the Raid Boss Heroic.

Well deserved guys!

Sparky14
11-03-2013, 05:45 AM
Congrats, and we have finished today as well :)

Congrats to you! And thank you for posting the levels...was a big help with our time management.

Gerbear
11-03-2013, 10:54 AM
Anyone that has not beaten the heroic part and going for the last boss, let me know. I can help some to stay and get prize.

P4TR1C14N
11-03-2013, 02:05 PM
Well done TAG and FUN. You know my point off view on this event. Nevertheless well done. Never easy to finish any event nowadays.

collage
11-03-2013, 03:32 PM
Gree might continue to incrementally adjust the difficulty. There will be a day when the straw's going to break the camel's back.

Capitalsfanatic
11-03-2013, 03:52 PM
VET (American Veterans) finished normal raid boss and halfway thru heroic.

User5000
11-03-2013, 05:54 PM
Wow there is a sad amount of addicts in these Gree games. I bet gree exec's are laughing their asses off while looking at these people who need professional help with their addiction that their exploiting.

One guy in modern war even admitted to spending over $300,000 on the game...that right your reading it correct $300,000 real money! It makes sense since most of the top people spend well over $2000 a month on the game. I bet the people who get top spots for box events spend well over $10,000 on a single event just to be number one.

SO remember everyone, don't be jealous of people in Top guilds. Feel sorry for them and wish them luck with getting help before they loose all their real family and friends. Addiction is not something to envy its something to pity.

Guido69
11-03-2013, 06:54 PM
Wow there is a sad amount of addicts in these Gree games. I bet gree exec's are laughing their asses off while looking at these people who need professional help with their addiction that their exploiting.

One guy in modern war even admitted to spending over $300,000 on the game...that right your reading it correct $300,000 real money! It makes sense since most of the top people spend well over $2000 a month on the game. I bet the people who get top spots for box events spend well over $10,000 on a single event just to be number one.

SO remember everyone, don't be jealous of people in Top guilds. Feel sorry for them and wish them luck with getting help before they loose all their real family and friends. Addiction is not something to envy its something to pity.

Quite an opinion for someone who joined last month. Ever image that there are people who can simply afford spending what they are spending.

justsomedood5
11-03-2013, 07:46 PM
Looks like TAG, and the top 3 (FUN, RK, SB) all finished heroic. Anyone else?

Chups Crow
11-03-2013, 09:55 PM
Quite an opinion for someone who joined last month. Ever image that there are people who can simply afford spending what they are spending.

It's still an addiction. Even billionairess Martha Stewart got in jail for a mere $45K she wants to save. But $300K? LOL!!

Anything where the money could have been spent buying a brand new car is always too much and is addicted.

mighty mackenzie
11-03-2013, 11:55 PM
Why did this raid boss event have to be 4 times harder than the last one?

Anyways, Congrats to fun, RK, SB and tag for finishing .

The raid boss was formerly the best event and unfortunately they ruined it by making it so much harder and more expensive!

I'm sure 99% of guilds won't even attempt heroic next time.

Voxker
11-04-2013, 12:31 AM
Why did this raid boss event have to be 4 times harder than the last one?

Anyways, Congrats to fun, RK, SB and tag for finishing .

The raid boss was formerly the best event and unfortunately they ruined it by making it so much harder and more expensive!

I'm sure 99% of guilds won't even attempt heroic next time.

probably because of the bonus.

Capitalsfanatic
11-04-2013, 06:03 AM
Many congrats to those who finished the Heroic level. Nice bonus, but a bit to expensive for my pocketbook. Kind of like the Ferrari I wish I had; nice to look at and I admire those who can afford it, but just out of my reach. Congrats again to all.

Gothic Sassy
11-04-2013, 07:02 AM
So I am sure I am not the only one this happened too, but has anyone heard how Gree is going to fix the Guild glitch?

Vile Lynn
11-04-2013, 07:43 AM
Just curious.... How many actual TAG guild members finished?

Many TAGs were booted for gemmers from other guilds, true?

Congrats on finishing! :cool:

larrydavid
11-04-2013, 08:39 AM
Just curious.... How many actual TAG guild members finished?

Many TAGs were booted for gemmers from other guilds, true?

Congrats on finishing! :cool:

Less booted and more asked to step out for gemmers to actually contribute.

Sparky14
11-04-2013, 08:44 AM
Less booted and more asked to step out for gemmers to actually contribute.

Actually most volunteered to step out and let the big gemmers go crazy. More than half of TAG finished the event with us. Always tough when you can't complete an event with your entire guild, but unfortunately this event was too time consuming and required too many gems for everyone to be able to do it.

Vile Lynn
11-05-2013, 10:05 AM
Less booted and more asked to step out for gemmers to actually contribute.


Actually most volunteered to step out and let the big gemmers go crazy. More than half of TAG finished the event with us. Always tough when you can't complete an event with your entire guild, but unfortunately this event was too time consuming and required too many gems for everyone to be able to do it.

Booted, asked to step out, volunteered to leave... all the same... many TAG members didn't get the final reward with their guild whether they volunteered or not. Nothing wrong with that, it's a choice since guilds are not locked during Raid Boss Events.

I asked how many TAG members actually finished b/c gemmers that are not in the top, all-gemming guilds, will need to get together outside of their home guild to get the rewards. For this Raid Boss, they grouped together in TAG.

IOW, gemmers will need to band together in some guild or chose to not get the rewards in future events.

btw, I think this is a great idea! Better to have some get it than nobody get it.
Again, congrats to everybody who finished!! :)

Cxxxmm
11-05-2013, 11:49 AM
so tell me, other than TAG - what were the choices?

Please don't downplay the role of anyone in this event.

Instead of trying to rain on someone's parade - piss into the wind instead - but than you will just ***** about your dry cleaning bills.

JPNy
11-05-2013, 12:51 PM
I thought that Vile Lynn comments were all positives and just curious of the final composition !

Vile Lynn
11-07-2013, 12:22 PM
I thought that Vile Lynn comments were all positives and just curious of the final composition !


I'm always positive :cool:
*thinking happy thoughts*