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BanDroid
11-01-2013, 12:01 AM
Folks,

Well I am not really expecting any answers from Forum admins here... but if they can be kind enough to pass our message to the development and planning community , Id be thankful, infact a lot of players would appreciate it.

I try really hard not to insult gree for all the goofs.. but do you guys accept you made a massive mistake with Raid boss event? 15x85, 25 L90s , 30 L 100s or whatever it is.. you just made it extremely difficult...

the point is... you killed the fun in the game, the reason we play the game for enjoyment, teamwork.. you really deflated the players, killed the motivation.

Yes we will buy gems yes we will play and push and spend money to complete events, and yes you will get revenue but may I really request you to keep it under reasonable limits?

Am sure 3-4 guild will complete raid boss but please think about the larger faction of players who play to enjoy this game , PLEASE do not frustrate the hell out of us.

At this point not much can be changed unfortunately, but if I can get an acknowledgement that this feedback is being passed on and acted upon, I would highly appreciate it.

Cheers!
Ban

Rastlin
11-01-2013, 12:26 AM
If FUN finishes, then GREE did not make a mistake. FUN for months has asked GREE for events to be more like wars, were they would be the only winners of the top prizes (a tiered down effect in completion). This is GREE's first real attempt at that. The question is going to be will FUN change their mind about what they have been asking for?
Please read to understand how GREE works: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/chasing_the_whale_examining_the_.php?print=1

Rocco69
11-01-2013, 12:41 AM
regular part of raid boss quest is pretty easy - hero is crazy difficult. FUN & other top guilds are outliers & will be pushed to see what they are willing to spend to finish. this raid boss is almost MORE fair than normal as only very very strong or spend happy guilds will finish. and add to their inflated stats that keep them way out my my range anyway. what do i care if i lose to someone with 1 or 20 million more stats? i still lost & move on.

BanDroid
11-01-2013, 12:50 AM
Really? So you guys ar justifying this .... you guy saying they should not change it?

Rastlin
11-01-2013, 12:56 AM
Really? So you guys ar justifying this .... you guy saying they should not change it?
Did you read the link? If you did then you would understand what is happening...

Ewan Connell
11-01-2013, 01:04 AM
I need help transerring my modern. War. Acount. It keeps saying my funzio id is invalid .is my id the same as my username
Please please Please. Help.

Valid or
11-01-2013, 02:16 AM
I need help transerring my modern. War. Acount. It keeps saying my funzio id is invalid .is my id the same as my username
Please please Please. Help.
Completely wrong forum, and hijacked thread, but no your user name is not your id. The code for adding allies is.

King Gabriel388
11-01-2013, 02:25 AM
RB is Way too Hard on Hero mode.

senna
11-01-2013, 06:30 AM
RB is Way too Hard on Hero mode.

...but FUN will rise to the occasion and be the first to complete the prestige mode as always. The only time which you might show some reluctance to complete anything first might be the saving RK quest.

King Gabriel388
11-01-2013, 06:46 AM
...but FUN will rise to the occasion and be the first to complete the prestige mode as always. The only time which you might show some reluctance to complete anything first might be the saving RK quest.

Yeah, I know that maybe so but I still come to offer support to our fellow guild members. Gree should take into consideration the fun factor for all guilds and not just make events that cost way too much $$$ where only the most powerful guilds can finish. I do understand what all the players in the various guilds go through so I sympathize with u. Because the Heroic Mode has such a high level of required gem usage, most guilds will not even be able to accomplish the goals together which is not what this game is all about.

bongzor
11-01-2013, 08:09 AM
Agree 300%, I'm in a great guild with great teamwork, everyone chip in with some gem & dedication, yet we wont be nowhere close to finishing it, it's just ridicolous, only top 3 is able to finish as they have more damage & better health regens + gems ofc.

Ridicolous!

Rasputin
11-01-2013, 08:53 AM
Some people in the KA community need to get over the fact that this is not Lake Woebegone - not everyone is above average and not everyone will get to finish quests going forward without significant gem spend.

Look at this way - the players in the very top guilds are the highest spenders in the game and therefore have the highest stats, especially after the stat inflation we've all seen the past 6-9 months. Some of these events have become not so challenging to these players, and now Gree is giving them something interesting to play for rather than risk these players getting bored and quitting the game.

Does it suck for the rest of us not in those very top guilds? Absolutely!
Is Gree's move justifiable from a business standpoint? Undoubtedly yes. They are giving their biggest customers what they want. If that bothers you, go play another game.

Crow-Magnum
11-01-2013, 09:14 AM
Just play the game, folks. If you can't afford the prizes, then put it out of your mind. Don't worry, be happy. ;)

bongzor
11-01-2013, 09:58 AM
Some people in the KA community need to get over the fact that this is not Lake Woebegone - not everyone is above average and not everyone will get to finish quests going forward without significant gem spend.

Look at this way - the players in the very top guilds are the highest spenders in the game and therefore have the highest stats, especially after the stat inflation we've all seen the past 6-9 months. Some of these events have become not so challenging to these players, and now Gree is giving them something interesting to play for rather than risk these players getting bored and quitting the game.

Does it suck for the rest of us not in those very top guilds? Absolutely!
Is Gree's move justifiable from a business standpoint? Undoubtedly yes. They are giving their biggest customers what they want. If that bothers you, go play another game.

I'm in a top 10 guild and this is way to much for us, your point? Only top 3 (if anyone) has a chance to finish this, only thing happening is that top3 extends their gap against everyone else in this game. Our guild gets stronger all the time but the quests keeps on getting alot harder, where is the reward from finishing previous quests & war events in that? Like, "finish all guild quests & individuals - then we'll make em harder", there is nothing we can do when we keep finishing all quests and they just keep making it way much worse. It does not scale very well.

Sparky14
11-01-2013, 10:02 AM
Just play the game, folks. If you can't afford the prizes, then put it out of your mind. Don't worry, be happy. ;)

Well said :)

E-I
11-01-2013, 11:48 PM
Pretty soon FUN is going to be the only guild left who still cares about this game, so Gree should get used to catering to them.

sister morphine
11-02-2013, 12:28 AM
Look at this way - the players in the very top guilds are the highest spenders in the game and therefore have the highest stats, especially after the stat inflation we've all seen the past 6-9 months. Some of these events have become not so challenging to these players, and now Gree is giving them something interesting to play for rather than risk these players getting bored and quitting the game.

Does it suck for the rest of us not in those very top guilds? Absolutely!
Is Gree's move justifiable from a business standpoint? Undoubtedly yes. They are giving their biggest customers what they want. If that bothers you, go play another game.
And whose fault is it that FUN members have become so over-powerful? Handing out huge bonuses like candy is just so short-sighted.

Got to say you have a curious definition of "interesting". Funnily enough, if the price of something I'd like suddenly shoots up "interesting" is not the first word that springs to mind :p :rolleyes: But, even if we accept the idea, how does alienating 99% of customers by making an event move from very tough, but doable if we all pull together, to totally stupid unless you habitually wipe your ass on a $100 bill make things better from a business standpoint?

Dexter Morgan
11-02-2013, 03:40 AM
Some people in the KA community need to get over the fact that this is not Lake Woebegone - not everyone is above average and not everyone will get to finish quests going forward without significant gem spend.

Be careful friend. Your post makes great sense and is well written. Keep it up and you may well be shunned by the masses

collage
11-02-2013, 07:18 AM
And whose fault is it that FUN members have become so over-powerful? Handing out huge bonuses like candy is just so short-sighted.

Got to say you have a curious definition of "interesting". Funnily enough, if the price of something I'd like suddenly shoots up "interesting" is not the first word that springs to mind :p :rolleyes: But, even if we accept the idea, how does alienating 99% of customers by making an event move from very tough, but doable if we all pull together, to totally stupid unless you habitually wipe your ass on a $100 bill make things better from a business standpoint?

This game is catered for the top 1%. Nothing else matters in the eyes of GREE. You and I are just cannon fodder. GREE will gladly take the soiled $100 bill and bank it in. LOL

P4TR1C14N
11-02-2013, 07:46 AM
Luckily the 1% loves to spend for a virtual unit that deflates faster as time can tick. We should be gratefull to have such ppl in the game. Keep spending my friends.

Guido69
11-02-2013, 10:11 AM
I am getting tired of hearing comments like "Gree is the only winner" or "Gree will bank our money".

Guess what, we all know that. That's not why we play the game and spend money. We do it because we want to and we have fun doing so. So let us play the game like we want. You can play like you want. If you can't play like you want, find another game.

Atlas1234
11-02-2013, 03:28 PM
If FUN finishes, then GREE did not make a mistake. FUN for months has asked GREE for events to be more like wars, were they would be the only winners of the top prizes (a tiered down effect in completion). This is GREE's first real attempt at that. The question is going to be will FUN change their mind about what they have been asking for?
Please read to understand how GREE works: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/chasing_the_whale_examining_the_.php?print=1

Thanks for the link, confirms what I thought, but still very interesting...

Jolt
11-02-2013, 07:10 PM
The problem as I see it is we live in a society of entitlement where everyone thinks they get a trophy simply because they play the game. I realize this game makes way too many people spend more money then most want to but nobody is forcing anyone to play. So the path is clear....keep spending at a level you're comfortable with.......play for free.......or simply stop playing. If you are waiting for Gree to change their tactics you may be waiting a long time.

Mr. Sirmanchoo
11-02-2013, 07:24 PM
The problem as I see it is we live in a society of entitlement where everyone thinks they get a trophy simply because they play the game. I realize this game makes way too many people spend more money then most want to but nobody is forcing anyone to play. So the path is clear....keep spending at a level you're comfortable with.......play for free.......or simply stop playing. If you are waiting for Gree to change their tactics you may be waiting a long time.

I know people who paid thousands of dollars and finally called it quits. These people have been surpassed in stats by people who have only paid a fraction of that and are half the level the other players were. It is disappointing to see this happening. I am ok paying to play. But when I have vested thousands into this game only to have new players catch up to me like its cake, its stupid. The inflation of stats and pure brokenness of this game is mind blowing. To know that a year ago people were paying hundreds of dollars to get a unit valued at 200A/200D now, people are receiving these units for free! If that isn't broken I don't know what is. Then for Gree to go and make it impossible for most guilds to complete this raid boss... that's not the way to fix it. The people who pay, pay to be ahead. Some are willing to pay 1, 2, 3 hundred dollars a week. But to make this cost rise every event is stupid. Its not very accurate... but Gree is almost running a monopoly in game! They control not only the Units rewarded, but the ability to earn them as well. There is no way to make your way through an LTQ by forking up gold, no, you have to use gems, gems that are purchased with real $$$. They even rig these event that NO MATTER WHAT you have to use Gems. Just look at the last event for the LTB... and the Epic Boss especially. Like it has been stated earlier, you have to hit something like 120 million damage just to qualify for a unit drop for a level 100 boss. for the average player this means they have to pay 200 gems just to qualify to receive a completely random unit. Stupid.

Weepit
11-02-2013, 07:45 PM
I am getting tired of hearing comments like "Gree is the only winner" or "Gree will bank our money".

Guess what, we all know that. That's not why we play the game and spend money. We do it because we want to and we have fun doing so. So let us play the game like we want. You can play like you want. If you can't play like you want, find another game.

You call paying more money playing a game? You are using no talent, intelligence, or skill. Just your wallet.

No one is saying you cannot keep spending money to make yourself feel good, they are just frustrated because it is asinine.

Weepit
11-02-2013, 07:48 PM
The problem as I see it is we live in a society of entitlement where everyone thinks they get a trophy simply because they play the game. I realize this game makes way too many people spend more money then most want to but nobody is forcing anyone to play. So the path is clear....keep spending at a level you're comfortable with.......play for free.......or simply stop playing. If you are waiting for Gree to change their tactics you may be waiting a long time.
Well you ain't looking clearly my friend. Trotting out the "everyone gets a trophy" doesn't fit here.

No one who wins here earns it using gamesmanship or skill or talent. They just buy it.

The tired trophy argument works when discussing lazy kids who don't practice; the people here are buying their trophies, not winning them.

Guido69
11-02-2013, 11:05 PM
You call paying more money playing a game? You are using no talent, intelligence, or skill. Just your wallet.

I am sure you know all about how we play. blah, blah, blah. Zip it Weepit.

Skyraiders
11-02-2013, 11:24 PM
I haven't posted in a while....busy raiding.....but seriously.....if you can't finish an event because it cost to much....then don't.....GREE does not have to make every event winnable by every guild......

For those that do finish....congrats....this event is a true test of fortitude .....yes it does take gems and a lot of them.....but honestly.....gems alone will not finish this one......it is gonna take a lot of teamwork.....they added so many bosses to the original number ......it does take planning despite what everyone thinks.......yes FUN and RK have the best chance to finish....if they do.....congratulate them.....they deserve it....as well as anyone else who makes it....

Jolt
11-03-2013, 05:42 AM
I know people who paid thousands of dollars and finally called it quits. These people have been surpassed in stats by people who have only paid a fraction of that and are half the level the other players were. It is disappointing to see this happening. I am ok paying to play. But when I have vested thousands into this game only to have new players catch up to me like its cake, its stupid. The inflation of stats and pure brokenness of this game is mind blowing. To know that a year ago people were paying hundreds of dollars to get a unit valued at 200A/200D now, people are receiving these units for free! If that isn't broken I don't know what is. Then for Gree to go and make it impossible for most guilds to complete this raid boss... that's not the way to fix it. The people who pay, pay to be ahead. Some are willing to pay 1, 2, 3 hundred dollars a week. But to make this cost rise every event is stupid. Its not very accurate... but Gree is almost running a monopoly in game! They control not only the Units rewarded, but the ability to earn them as well. There is no way to make your way through an LTQ by forking up gold, no, you have to use gems, gems that are purchased with real $$$. They even rig these event that NO MATTER WHAT you have to use Gems. Just look at the last event for the LTB... and the Epic Boss especially. Like it has been stated earlier, you have to hit something like 120 million damage just to qualify for a unit drop for a level 100 boss. for the average player this means they have to pay 200 gems just to qualify to receive a completely random unit. Stupid.

And as long as the top guilds and top players keep spending to complete each new event that cost more each time Gree will continue to spiral it up.

BanDroid
11-04-2013, 09:32 PM
OK...still surprised people are teaching us how the gam works and justifying this is correct..

Thank you for the FUN and top guild members for your acknowledgment and support to the other guilds...

I was hoping an admin would at least acknowledge this feedback but that hasn't happened..

fingers crossed till the next raid boss event.