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Shiloh
01-02-2014, 01:32 PM
Gree, how do you justify changing the parameters of a LTQ SOOOO dramatically in the middle of it? I hated the format, I won't lie, but it was hella stupid easy for those with the patience to watch seconds and minutes tick away.

You should have just let it play out and make it right the next time, which I for one expected. Over 24 hours into an event, it's just unfair to raise the bar on a portion of your player base.

I doubt we will get an answer, but CJ has surprised me before.

hellhound604
01-02-2014, 01:38 PM
Yep.... I find that me and a lot of others are getting fed up with all the Gree stuffups, and are starting to find more enjoyment in playing other non-Gree games that have less bugs and are more entertaining and more fair.

Nothing worse than having the rules changed halway through an event.

ariganello
01-02-2014, 01:38 PM
Gree, how do you justify changing the parameters of a LTQ SOOOO dramatically in the middle of it? I hated the format, I won't lie, but it was hella stupid easy for those with the patience to watch seconds and minutes tick away.

You should have just let it play out and make it right the next time, which I for one expected. Over 24 hours into an event, it's just unfair to raise the bar on a portion of your player base.

I doubt we will get an answer, but CJ has surprised me before.

I know I don't post on here, but i'm on 20/20 and was 10 energy to hit now they raised it to 200 wth.

Zenobia
01-02-2014, 01:42 PM
Shame on me for actually believing Gree when they said they would no longer change quests after they had begun. I was optimistic that they were really turning around. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and not assume the negative stance. Now all of us who believed their LIES have been made fools of. I can't wait to hear how those of us outraged at them going back on their word, in a way that makes the quest many times more difficult to complete no less, are all unduly negative. Come on, tell us how we are wrong to dare to criticize this. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Rocco69
01-02-2014, 01:44 PM
Absolute crap changing this far into it. Put a bonus on the final prize while you are at it

phopjon
01-02-2014, 01:48 PM
They've done this before to our benefit, in situations where the XP was obviously wrong, so it makes sense they would do it when they are losing money on an event. It sucks, but it's not surprising. At least they got the wrong column error out of the way right away for 2014.;)

\\MidnightB3AST//
01-02-2014, 01:52 PM
Man **** you gree yeah that's right I said **** YOU

Shiloh
01-02-2014, 01:53 PM
This wasn't an error, it was a new idea that wasn't panning out for them financially, so they changed it midway.

plavine
01-02-2014, 01:59 PM
I usually don't complain about events (they are what they are play if you want )
But changing in the middle is completely unfair to those who didn't have the time to just sit there a play ( hello jobs!!!)
I say everyone sent on a ticket complaining .

I Am Legend
01-02-2014, 02:02 PM
and this is why I will never ever make the mistake of spending money on a Gree game. They fooled ONCE and by god it has been 4 months and they have not been able to fool me again :).

Once you go free you shall be set FREEE! XD

ariganello
01-02-2014, 02:07 PM
I usually don't complain about events (they are what they are play if you want )
But changing in the middle is completely unfair to those who didn't have the time to just sit there a play ( hello jobs!!!)
I say everyone sent on a ticket complaining .

I sent a complaint. I would not mind if they changed it to the next event. The whole reason to do this is to beta test. Once its over they would evaluate and find out if its +EV. If it fails they would go back to basic. By them doing this is trying to increase revenue at the end, I hope they loose more business by implying these poor business ethics.

P4TR1C14N
01-02-2014, 02:09 PM
Shame on me for actually believing Gree when they said they would no longer change quests after they had begun. I was optimistic that they were really turning around. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and not assume the negative stance. Now all of us who believed their LIES have been made fools of. I can't wait to hear how those of us outraged at them going back on their word, in a way that makes the quest many times more difficult to complete no less, are all unduly negative. Come on, tell us how we are wrong to dare to criticize this. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This company is a shame and should be reported to some official instances for misleading and ripping off their customers. They change their game out off the blue when it suits them. Maffia...

hellhound604
01-02-2014, 02:12 PM
and this is why I will never ever make the mistake of spending money on a Gree game. They fooled ONCE and by god it has been 4 months and they have not been able to fool me again :).

Once you go free you shall be set FREEE! XD

The onliest reason why I am still playing is that I cant bear the thought of having spent so much money on this game and just leave it. Suffice to say that Gree wont get another cent from me. I am slowly weaning myself from Gree games.

John Snow
01-02-2014, 02:29 PM
This wasn't an error, it was a new idea that wasn't panning out for them financially, so they changed it midway.

Exactly right.

Oakley
01-02-2014, 02:58 PM
In response too hellhound604, I agree a little with what you are saying but look at it this way, you may have spent a good amount of money up to this point, but look how much you,re going too save by not giving it too an evil corporation like gree.

kruppe
01-02-2014, 02:58 PM
Fools, poltroons, dolts!

Thou dankish dread-bolted varlots!

Unbelievable, adapted my playing strategy for the quest, and suddenly it's changed?!?!

And let us not forget the inept developer (s) and game designer (s?) who seemed to have appeared from a learn to code by correspondence course. Cannot get odds correct a la boss 100 rewards gee how hard can it be to code odds for 33/33/33?

If it weren't for the friends I have made here I would be playing gow full time.

My rant overdue from 2013...

with a nod to the bard...

BC MAULER
01-02-2014, 03:45 PM
Let me join the others in this thread in expressing my outrage over Gree changing the requirements of a quest mid swing, literally, and screwing dedicated players who have jobs and lives.
How do you think we afford to buy your gems Gree?
My lvl 19/20 heroic target went from requiring 19 energy per swing to 195!!! Absurd.
Fix it or prepare to lose ever more players Gree. We all grow tired of your endless manipulation and failures all designed with the only purpose being to drain us all of hard earned cash.

Ratma2001
01-02-2014, 04:25 PM
HAHA... this does not surprise me... i was hoping they might have gotten off to a glitch free start.....wrong...sorry players and forum members...easy way to fix...follow the line to the door .....change game....problems fixed !..if you only stay for your "Friends" bring them with you...i am

Shluggy
01-02-2014, 04:29 PM
Dispicable Gree

CJ54
01-02-2014, 04:47 PM
This was a bug-fix, and a necessary one. The balance for the event was set to a negative number (in a field that should only take positive numbers). That bug caused two things: lower initial energy costs, but RIDICULOUSLY expensive retaliation costs. As a post fix/pre-fix example, one of the mobs initial energy costs was 10 and the retaliation value (the amount that the monster hits you for) was set to 2567. That basically means that you could hit the monster for cheap, and then you were one-shotted out of energy. By fixing the bug, the mob was changed to require 200 energy as intended, but the retaliation amount was lowered from 2567 to 63.

Much bigger benefit that downside from the bugfix, is what I am saying. So no, this didn't become more difficult/expensive to complete, it became less so.

I do apologize that this was not addressed earlier in the day in terms of messaging the bugfix necessity and deployment.

Shiloh
01-02-2014, 04:58 PM
This was a bug-fix, and a necessary one. The balance for the event was set to a negative number (in a field that should only take positive numbers). That bug caused two things: lower initial energy costs, but RIDICULOUSLY expensive retaliation costs. As a post fix/pre-fix example, one of the mobs initial energy costs was 10 and the retaliation value (the amount that the monster hits you for) was set to 2567. That basically means that you could hit the monster for cheap, and then you were one-shotted out of energy. By fixing the bug, the mob was changed to require 200 energy as intended, but the retaliation amount was lowered from 2567 to 63.

Much bigger benefit that downside from the bugfix, is what I am saying. So no, this didn't become more difficult/expensive to complete, it became less so.

I do apologize that this was not addressed earlier in the day in terms of messaging the bugfix necessity and deployment.

Factually incorrect and intellectually dishonest reply.

Since your energy can not drop below zero, the hit back was irrelevant as long as you baby sat you device. People were blowing through this quest with the original parameters, many have completed it already, and now the quest is back to only the rich will complete it.

I am not buying this was a bug, as people posted about it(including me) within an hour of it starting and we got ZERO response about it.

Shazam
01-02-2014, 04:58 PM
This was a bug-fix, and a necessary one. The balance for the event was set to a negative number (in a field that should only take positive numbers). That bug caused two things: lower initial energy costs, but RIDICULOUSLY expensive retaliation costs. As a post fix/pre-fix example, one of the mobs initial energy costs was 10 and the retaliation value (the amount that the monster hits you for) was set to 2567. That basically means that you could hit the monster for cheap, and then you were one-shotted out of energy. By fixing the bug, the mob was changed to require 200 energy as intended, but the retaliation amount was lowered from 2567 to 63.

Much bigger benefit that downside from the bugfix, is what I am saying. So no, this didn't become more difficult/expensive to complete, it became less so.


I do apologize that this was not addressed earlier in the day in terms of messaging the bugfix necessity and deployment.

Not easier at all. Nobody waits until their energy is full to hit a mob with huge recoil and initial energy of 10 versus 200 is clearly a lot easier: hit, wait couple minutes hit the next. Come on CJ I KNOW YOU WORK FOR GREE BUT YOU AINT STUPID AND NEITHER ARE WE!

CJ54
01-02-2014, 05:05 PM
Factually incorrect and intellectually dishonest reply.

Since your energy can not drop below zero, the hit back was irrelevant as long as you baby sat you device. People were blowing through this quest with the original parameters, many have completed it already, and now the quest is back to only the rich will complete it.

I am not buying this was a bug, as people posted about it(including me) within an hour of it starting and we got ZERO response about it.

Fair enough, I suppose it is fair to say that this did result in higher energy costs if you were playing in that specific way, but that was side-effect rather than intent. You are entitled to believe what you like.

EDIT: The zero response was due entirely to the fact that we're down by a few community people this week (Sirius is out for a few days, for a start) and the focus has been on another forum by necessity. As you might notice, not a lot of posts over here this week.

StrictNine
01-02-2014, 05:06 PM
Any chance you can hop over to the Dragon Realms forum and address problems there?

Schar
01-02-2014, 05:11 PM
I'm sorry but while I understand the need to rectify a bug, your statement about fixing it making it easier / cheaper to fix is way off base.

The final mob in Heroic was set up to need 21 energy / hit, with 5400ish retaliation. Which is irrelevant if I only had 25 energy to start with.... At 5 energy / minute regen I could hit every 5 minutes (or 7 minutes for those with a minimum +3 recharge). At 6-7 hits per mob (I have decent hero strength) I could drop one 40 minutes if I paid attention. 7 mobs for the level and I could finish the level while watching a movie or two. Painlessly and, more importantly, *free*. Entire level: Under 5 hours recharge if I paid attention.

I have no idea what the mob is set to now, so will go with 300/hit and 100 retaliation for the sake of this argument. At 7 hits per mob, each mob now needs 2700 energy (6x(300+100) + 300 final hit), 7 thereof needing ~19000. We have suddenly jumped from 5 hours to 63 hours of energy regen at 5/minute. I am intentionally not including the potential savings of 100/hit from the retaliation and babysitting over 3 days is a lot different than babysitting over 5 hours.

Therefore, given the example numbers above (again, I don't know what they really are, but they it is the relativity that is material): what I could do for "free" with time on my side suddenly is out of the window with the last level alone needing 2.5 days of recharge.

Hence, I call out that based on the above, your following statement is both misleading and false

So no, this didn't become more difficult/expensive to complete, it became less so.

Fredcole
01-02-2014, 05:12 PM
For once im actually going to defend Gree(WOW).

IMO you can complain when you lose gems (like i have done many times myself), but to complain because you didnt get the full cheat is not very valid. Event is designed for over 7 days so pretty time consuming, those who could exploit the bug the first day were lucky. For the rest of us i guess its just to do it the way it was intended to work in the first place. And next time pay better attention;)

Ssne
01-02-2014, 05:50 PM
The parameters of the event should be locked for the event. Some players completed the event in a much easier and less gem intensive fashion. Now the rest of us are playing by a different set of rules.

It is a MUCH more difficult event to complete now. Regardless of the bug in the event, gree should have just let it go so the playing field was fair.

Zenobia
01-02-2014, 05:59 PM
First of all, as a few have already pointed out, we do NOT save time or energy. Even beginning at full energy, the old way we'd get a few hits in, zero out, then get a hit every 1-5 minutes. The new way, we need hours.

But really that is not what we find unacceptable. What we find unacceptable is a PROMISE to no longer make changes to and event once it has been going on for many hours. Because that is FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR to make either the fast players or the slow players be given a huge advantage over the other. THAT is why we are upset. Because changes in the middle of the event disenfranchise either slow or fast players depending on whether the change makes it easier or harder. That is WRONG to do to one half of us or the other.

Fredcole
01-02-2014, 05:59 PM
Well everyone knew it was a bug and everyone had the same time to finish it before it was fixed. Thats a level playing field to me.

I know you now will argue that many was away the first day so they didnt get to use the bug but hey thats just how life is. Im sure there are many away this whole week that cant make to finish this event at all. Should we give them an extra week?

Fredcole
01-02-2014, 06:01 PM
First of all, as a few have already pointed out, we do NOT save time or energy. Even beginning at full energy, the old way we'd get a few hits in, zero out, then get a hit every 1-5 minutes. The new way, we need hours.

But really that is not what we find unacceptable. What we find unacceptable is a PROMISE to no longer make changes to and event once it has been going on for many hours. Because that is FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR to make either the fast players or the slow players be given a huge advantage over the other. THAT is why we are upset. Because changes in the middle of the event disenfranchise either slow or fast players depending on whether the change makes it easier or harder. That is WRONG to do to one half of us or the other.

If that promise was made, i agree its dead wrong.

Ratma2001
01-02-2014, 06:53 PM
Why does there seem to be a Pattern occuring in these events.nearly every third event has to be re jigged half way through...and Gree pay these programers to do this..here a really simple guidline ..

Measure TWICE and CUT ONCE

its not hard to check before you release it...all this does is make GREE and its Employees look INCOMPETENT !
Multi Billion Dollar company that makes stuff ups in nearly every event.
Its only the players paying that still havent learnt not to spend (no pun) that you have survived this long.
I will stick around as i deem the end is really close and this will be like a train wreck !

Shiloh
01-02-2014, 06:57 PM
I did not think it was a bug, and I am yet to be convinced that it was, but taking CJ at his word the following items are GREE's official position;

1. The event was drastically bugged
2. Gree had insufficient employee resources to spot and/or rectify the bug for over 24 hours.
3. The bug, if played properly gave participants a verifiable advantage to completing the quest easily without gems.

So far into an event with such a discrepancy in results for the player base, simply changing the code and saying 'oooops, sorry' is grossly inadequate of a response to a player base that you extract great sums of money from.

You are giving some players an advantage over others with no path to rectify this. May I suggest one, change the code back, eat this event, no player gains or loses compared to others, and install some sort of bugged event hot line for guild leaders so that such bizarre happenings do not go unnoticed for so long in the future.

Zenobia
01-02-2014, 08:15 PM
I did not think it was a bug, and I am yet to be convinced that it was, but taking CJ at his word the following items are GREE's official position;

1. The event was drastically bugged
2. Gree had insufficient employee resources to spot and/or rectify the bug for over 24 hours.
3. The bug, if played properly gave participants a verifiable advantage to completing the quest easily without gems.

So far into an event with such a discrepancy in results for the player base, simply changing the code and saying 'oooops, sorry' is grossly inadequate of a response to a player base that you extract great sums of money from.

You are giving some players an advantage over others with no path to rectify this. May I suggest one, change the code back, eat this event, no player gains or loses compared to others, and install some sort of bugged event hot line for guild leaders so that such bizarre happenings do not go unnoticed for so long in the future.
Very well put, Shiloh.

nicsonology
01-02-2014, 08:31 PM
Peoples are funny… complaint maybe designed error when event starting, then complaint again when the error is fixed …. Wats the logic ??

Vclone
01-02-2014, 08:42 PM
I am surprised that you are all surprised by this. The LTQ not being tested was unacceptable. The delay in the fix was unacceptable. The response was unacceptable. The going back on their word about not changing an LTQ mid stream again was unacceptable. But, through all of this, many people were still able to complete it.

I trust CJ and Sirius. I want to believe that they are here for us, and I know that Gree is understaffed. However, I agree with Shiloh. If the LTQ is bugged and it's not caught quickly, they should announce that it is bugged and let it play out. Just apologize and get it right the next time.

Ratma2001
01-02-2014, 08:59 PM
I am surprised that you are all surprised by this. The LTQ not being tested was unacceptable. The delay in the fix was unacceptable. The response was unacceptable. The going back on their word about not changing an LTQ mid stream again was unacceptable. But, through all of this, many people were still able to complete it.

I trust CJ and Sirius. I want to believe that they are here for us, and I know that Gree is understaffed. However, I agree with Shiloh. If the LTQ is bugged and it's not caught quickly, they should announce that it is bugged and let it play out. Just apologize and get it right the next time.

its good to see you Accept the unacceptable issue, its also good you Trust CJ and Sirius .....its even better when you just accept all the changes and dont complain and winge (not you), Gree is a Company that is suppose to Provide a GAMING EXPERIENCE ........if this company was just new i could understand , but its not ! so why put up with all the issues? If you pay you have a RIGHT to an "Acceptable" product from your provider...show me how Kingdom Age is an acceptable product ! i paid for a crappy glitchy game that was constantly changing halfway through events.....that was my choice and i fell for the glory that never happened !
I chose to pay , i chose to gripe, i chose to quit
its not Gree who should change .....its the players ! Gree will change when everyone goes away and doesnt spend, then they will have no issues cause they will have no games and last but not least NO COMPANY

Krdeja
01-02-2014, 09:56 PM
I'm jumping on the bandwagon and say this is absolute garbage. Gree just should've ate this event and called it a day. Not only did my heroic 15 go from 12 energy to 155 the mob is still zapping all my energy like it did before the fixed the "bug" at least before I only had to way a few min to get the energy back up to hit now it's nearly impossible. On top of it when to kill off this last mob and it zapped my energy but the stupid thing didn't die or move it's energy bar. Earlier I tried to give Gree the benefit of the doubt and said "well at less to I was able to get this far" but I take it back. This is garbage. It went from easily attainable to a nightmare, if Gree didn't want to eat the event they could've at least split the difference. The fact they're saying they made it better for us is hilarious. Ya so we can spend money and gems and the final in heroic doesn't even have a bonus, I don't think so. Way to go again GREEdy.

Krayt
01-02-2014, 11:10 PM
I just find it funny that people even attempted in the first place. Sure high level players I can understand because the xp to your character wouldn't be much. For anyone under at least 125, why even bother. You look and you see a grand prize unit of 50k with no bonus, why even go after it. You know there is normal and heroic, so his many levels you want to increase just to get a 50k unit?

Prydaenmage
01-03-2014, 11:43 AM
QUOTE -----This was a bug-fix, and a necessary one. The balance for the event was set to a negative number (in a field that should only take positive numbers). That bug caused two things: lower initial energy costs, but RIDICULOUSLY expensive retaliation costs. As a post fix/pre-fix example, one of the mobs initial energy costs was 10 and the retaliation value (the amount that the monster hits you for) was set to 2567. That basically means that you could hit the monster for cheap, and then you were one-shotted out of energy. By fixing the bug, the mob was changed to require 200 energy as intended, but the retaliation amount was lowered from 2567 to 63.

Much bigger benefit that downside from the bugfix, is what I am saying. So no, this didn't become more difficult/expensive to complete, it became less so.

I do apologize that this was not addressed earlier in the day in terms of messaging the bugfix necessity and deployment.

:mad::mad::mad::mad:I have been a player for over a year and this is one of the most RETARDED things I have seen done by Gree:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Have a nice day !

Spi
01-03-2014, 04:38 PM
Do you call KA a game? Have a look what real developers make on all platforms and you will see that this a just a sorry excuse to get more money out of your pockets.

Just tapping things is something you could teach a monkey, but at least he won't be that stupid to spend is real money.

Join the GREEDIGNADIOS, all founders all called on GroupMe, if Gree doesn't change it back to a real game as it was with Funzio...then the players will pull out the plug.

You're invited to my new group 'War boycot 31/Jan - 03/Feb' on GroupMe. Click here to join: https://groupme.com/join_group/6535558/

Davian Hax
01-03-2014, 04:47 PM
Hell yeah Spi! I'm already there :-)
You gone too far this time, GREE. Moving the goalposts during an event is not cool. You fell on your sword.

Davian Hax
01-03-2014, 04:50 PM
Hell yeah Spi! I'm already there :-)
You gone too far this time, GREE. Moving the goalposts during an event is not cool. You fell on your sword.
Signed the Greedignadios.

It's all a dream
01-04-2014, 01:47 AM
Fair enough, I suppose it is fair to say that this did result in higher energy costs if you were playing in that specific way, but that was side-effect rather than intent. You are entitled to believe what you like.

EDIT: The zero response was due entirely to the fact that we're down by a few community people this week (Sirius is out for a few days, for a start) and the focus has been on another forum by necessity. As you might notice, not a lot of posts over here this week.

You guys have been understaffed a long time now, maybe do something about it.
But please dont say things like not a lot of posts here last week, while we havent seen you here in multiple weeks. I know your not support, but there have been issues where a member of your staff could have replied. Where were you? I know in another forum.
Again i ask you has kingdom age lost the interest of Gree and when will you pull the plug? That is a fair question for all players and an answer is the least you can give.

Thank you and keep up the good work you also do.

PS unban Rastlin and Ratma please. If i were you id listen to them more.

Spi
01-04-2014, 03:42 AM
Hahaha, do you think they will tell you when they pull out the plug? You can still play Monster Quest, even when this game is dead.

Keep spending money, keep complaining, keep Gree laughing their way to the bank...

Why would they hire extra support, as you keep spending whatever they do or don't

xeip12
01-04-2014, 04:59 AM
I completely agree that what has taken place is unacceptable. CJ can try to justify what Gree pulled with the "Tidings Of Solstice" quest as much as he wishes, but the truth of the matter is that Gree has committed a blatant act of fraud.

By offering a product (the quest) that included an exchange of money as an available part of the product, Gree legally contracted itself to a set of terms and conditions with those players who chose to begin using Gree's quest-product for the duration of their use of the quest-product. By suddenly changing the initially-set conditions of the quest, Gree has performed a variation of the illegal business-practice known as "bait and switch" - the variation being that Gree switched the conditions of completing use of their product instead of the prices contained within their product.

I was offered a set of conditions in order to complete the quest, and the conditions of play were subsequently switched to a higher degree of difficulty than I'd previously been under. I was on level 13/20 of the heroic-level of the quest when Gree changed the initially-set conditions of their product. With the strategy that I was using under the original conditions of play, I would have easily completed the quest in about two more hours. With the new conditions, at my current level and stats, I won't be able to complete the quest at all without buying and spending gems. I am therefore directly accusing Gree of illegally using a form of "bait and switch" fraud in an attempt to coerce me to spend money that I would not have otherwise needed to spend in order to complete my use of their product.

No matter whether all of us can agree about the illegality of what Gree has done, I think that all of us can agree that what Gree did was grossly unethical and highly dishonorable - especially dishonorable after their promise to not make changes in active-quests anymore. In my opinion, the only way that Gree can reclaim their honor in this matter is to declare this tainted-quest to be null and void, and then do a data-push to place the reward for completing the quest in every Kingdom Age player's inventory.

hellhound604
01-04-2014, 09:12 AM
Well, they made a higly exciting event, setting my alarm to go off every 5minutes to get one hit in so that the return damage can be avoided, into what must be the most boring and unintersting event ever...... Enjoy digging your own grave, Gree(d)?

Spi
01-04-2014, 10:58 AM
Funny how all junior members post long, but correct analysis.

Let me tell you one thing: they don't care, KA isn't a game, it has become a slot machine

Gree is only interested in getting as much money with as low cost as possible...end of line...

Valid or
01-04-2014, 11:11 AM
Do you call KA a game? Have a look what real developers make on all platforms and you will see that this a just a sorry excuse to get more money out of your pockets.

Just tapping things is something you could teach a monkey, but at least he won't be that stupid to spend is real money.

Join the GREEDIGNADIOS, all founders all called on GroupMe, if Gree doesn't change it back to a real game as it was with Funzio...then the players will pull out the plug.

You're invited to my new group 'War boycot 31/Jan - 03/Feb' on GroupMe. Click here to join: https://groupme.com/join_group/6535558/

As only a % use the forums on a reg basis... one should have people post to individuals walls in game aswell to fully spread the word..or it will fail again. We have tried this befor but only a few took part, some cut back on spending, but it wasent very effective.

The red Baron
01-04-2014, 12:06 PM
The link does not work, the group does not exist.

Voxker
01-04-2014, 12:58 PM
You guys have high expectations from Gree yet they always deceive you.

Kingdomagekiller
01-04-2014, 09:24 PM
I got the same thing as the Red Baron. The group does not exist.

Yessfsdd
01-05-2014, 10:49 PM
I too like many of you fell victim to Gree's schemes. Took the bait and started doing the heroic version of this quest. Even though I am too weak to finish the questline with out spending any gems. I thought the quest parameters were easy enough for me to do the quest as long as I checked into KA every 5-10mins. I had enough time to finish the quest with/out spending any gems if the original parameters were maintained. What sucked for me was that I still got one shotted even after the so called "bug-fix". Had a new level the entire energy from that level gone with one retaliation.

But, Guys shouldn't we be happy that Understaffed Gree, finally fixed a bug, and impressively in a lil over 24 hours. Cuz you know we have been complaining about various types of bugs over the past few months. Individual rewards bugged--bonus not being added to our totals. Epic Rewards from Raids missing 1 digit of stats (it should be 5k/5k--but its listed as 500/500). Crashing When visiting different maps...this list is too big to say it here. I guess my point is i'm looking forward to understaffed Gree taking care of our problems....Right?

To let us know of Ghree's official position on this matter, they sent us a man. We killed this messenger. But, we should not have. I do not believe he was trying to be insulting to our intelligence, or try to sneak in a few white lies. Its not his fault he doesn't know the mechanisms of this game. He is way too smart to be playing one of Gree's games, let alone pay real money for it. We should learn from him.

To Sum It UP: Ghree does fix bugs, but, only if it suites their own needs, they do not fix bugs for the customers...no matter how understaffed they are. Ghree's developers never really play this game, they have no clue how Kingdom Age works, if the developer doesn't know, how the hell are we suppose to.

/rant off

Ryosaeba
01-06-2014, 01:56 AM
I'm not on anyone's side but I just find it funny that you all are complaining about a quest that was fixed so that it was suppose to be the way it is. What if this quest never had this bug? None of these threads would of existed.

I never read the post where Gree said they would never change a quest once it started, but I'm sure none of you would complain if it was changed in the player's favor. Like that one time where the exp was extremely high and they lowered it in the middle of the quest. None of you asked to change it back based on that "never change a quest parameter once started" principle.

I guess I don't stress about these because I'm a free player. To me, it is what it is and none of their bugs or changes will ever affect me so passionately. Heck, none of my guild members were pissed off about this. We're top 25 by the way. Just don't finish it if you can't afford it. Go outside, get some air, hang out with friends/kids/wife. It is certainly a nice break.

Shiloh
01-06-2014, 02:26 PM
Ryosaeba, my complaint is that they waited so long that people who played t aggressively prior to the 'fix' were able to complete or nearly complete it vs those who didn't and therefor have zero chance, in particular free players. There are so many bugs that Gree ignores for months seemingly because there is no profit incentive but once one that presents lost revenue shows up, they fix it quickly(not quickly enough).

The last 2 units in this quest total nearly 100k attack without applying player bonuses. For the non elite, which is the majority of KA players, the discrepancy between completing and not completing is great and will impact results in face to face matchups in the upcoming war. The complete lack of equity in the results of this bug absolutely should be addressed by a fair minded gaming company, but IMO, the lack of redress on this issue is just another LOUD statement from Gree that they are anything but fair minded.

Sofussk
01-06-2014, 02:51 PM
they are not telling the whole story?
Off course they know how to do this, but they **** up everything, and only care about money.


http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/01/gree-acquires-mobile-social-game-developer-funzio-terms-are-undisclosed/

U WISH
01-06-2014, 07:31 PM
To which most keep pouring the coin into and yet Gree keep playing the same card, now i would ask if the show was on the other foot what would Gree do! What would they ask for and what would they want ?
CJ54 you are what i call the face of the Gree company...please answer instead of your tip toe tactics and placing Bans on regular players who are just by the sounds fed up with the constant errors, so if you would endulge most of the FORUM Members here on some Clarity please
Thankyou
Man in the Mirror

sister morphine
01-07-2014, 03:04 AM
For once im actually going to defend Gree(WOW).

IMO you can complain when you lose gems (like i have done many times myself), but to complain because you didnt get the full cheat is not very valid. Event is designed for over 7 days so pretty time consuming, those who could exploit the bug the first day were lucky. For the rest of us i guess its just to do it the way it was intended to work in the first place. And next time pay better attention;)
Fred, normally you deserve respect but to call this as a cheat makes you look foolish - players were doing the quest as provided to them by the company.

My sympathies are with the player alleging a bait & switch. Whilst it might not be so technically, what happened in the quest certainly sailed very close to the edge. Gree should have written this one off to experience. If all active players had completed the quest as initially provided to us, none woud have gained too much advantage from it.

Person
01-07-2014, 03:22 AM
I'm not on anyone's side but I just find it funny that you all are complaining about a quest that was fixed so that it was suppose to be the way it is. What if this quest never had this bug? None of these threads would of existed.

I never read the post where Gree said they would never change a quest once it started, but I'm sure none of you would complain if it was changed in the player's favor. Like that one time where the exp was extremely high and they lowered it in the middle of the quest. None of you asked to change it back based on that "never change a quest parameter once started" principle.

I guess I don't stress about these because I'm a free player. To me, it is what it is and none of their bugs or changes will ever affect me so passionately. Heck, none of my guild members were pissed off about this. We're top 25 by the way. Just don't finish it if you can't afford it. Go outside, get some air, hang out with friends/kids/wife. It is certainly a nice break. hmm that none of your top 25 guild members were pissed that the money pit they keep filling every war bugged once again really worries me. If gemmers stop caring that what they pay good money for screws them over Gree has won.

Ryosaeba
01-07-2014, 07:08 AM
That is nice of them to give you a free ride to Top 25.

Technically it's free but I support them in other ways and they have no problem with that. There are lots of other things to do in this game besides throwing gems at it. We (with other free/paid players) organize the team for battles, guild quests, raid bosses, etc. We organize team events with jumpers with sister guilds and I donate lots of gold. I'm in constant contact and am very active in guild talk participation. Heck, during the last raid boss event, I was placed 15 out of 56 in terms of total damage. So no, it isn't free free. It takes a lot of my time. A lot more then if I just throw a mountain of gems at every event.

Ryosaeba
01-07-2014, 07:11 AM
hmm that none of your top 25 guild members were pissed that the money pit they keep filling every war bugged once again really worries me. If gemmers stop caring that what they pay good money for screws them over Gree has won.

Honestly, not really. In the chats, people that got in the event early were just thought of being lucky. A few actually finished before the bug fix. The people that didn't blame themselves for not getting on the game sooner. They didn't blame Gree for fixing the bug.

Shiloh
01-07-2014, 10:09 AM
Honestly, not really. In the chats, people that got in the event early were just thought of being lucky. A few actually finished before the bug fix. The people that didn't blame themselves for not getting on the game sooner. They didn't blame Gree for fixing the bug.

Slave mind mentality, plain and simple.

Person
01-07-2014, 01:32 PM
Slave mind mentality, plain and simple.

my thoughts exactly, hence my concern.

Ryosaeba
01-07-2014, 07:14 PM
Say what you will. Doesn't affect me one bit. I find it hilariously funny that you all complain so much but yet, continue to play and continue to pay. Do you all keep going to a restaurant that serve bad food hoping it will improve one day?

None of my guild members are as bitter as you folks about a game that YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY. Honestly, when a game this bad (in your opinion) keeps you coming back for more, you have to question who is actually the slave.

Ryosaeba
01-07-2014, 08:19 PM
@The Evil: Of course gemmers can do that. But the higher up you go, the less they have to do. The tighter the money, the more one would have to work.

Maybe you think I'm trying to justify myself for being a free player. I'm not. I'm constantly asking them if I need to step down to a camper guild to make room. They always insist I stay. Our gemmers gem not because they feel obligated, but because they want to. We have no spending requirements. We only have "soft" goals for everyone.

Besides, you have to admit, the prizes for battles have decrease in quality dramatically. Gree is focusing more on personal spending prizes. Battles to us now is just like another quest. It's certainly not as exciting as it used to be.