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Lys
01-16-2014, 02:31 PM
Since GREE is honoring folks who submitted ideas for the Epic Boss, I've got a table for the drop unit chances from killing the epic boss, just in case some of them are also those folks. After all, it's rather rare for us to get so many units named after users.

Individual Kills
1 - 5xp + Mind Machine 276/276
3 - 10xp + Beng 444/522
6 - 15xp + Shatai 607/911
10 - 20xp + Nissen 1,104/1,103
15 - 25xp + Lord K'izz 1,578/1,457
21 - 30xp + Sir Frank Fenway 2,241/1,760
28 - 35xp + Landon 2,553/2,552
36 - 40xp + David the Boo 3,681/2,665
45 - 45xp + Melcain 3,708/4,017
50 - 50xp + S'snax 4,806/4,436
55 - 55xp + Munsey Spin 5,449/5,449
60 - 60xp + San Miguel 6,853/5,838
65 - 65xp + Viluf the Fallen Samurai 7,457/7,165
70 - 70xp + Cree 8,346/8,345
75 - 75xp + Garboosa 7,559/11,339
80 - 80xp + Napalm, Viceroy of Pain 10,622/10,621
85 - 85xp + Dud'eh Viceroy of Persecution 14,235/9,490
90 - 90xp + Badger CLXV 14,490/11,856
95 - 95xp + Z'ach CXXIII 13,097/16,008
100 - 100xp + Gemello, The Twin-Headed Terror 113,798/93,108 [Magic Unit] (+20% Infantry Defense)

Daily Guild LTQ - Cthulu 17,242/17,242 (+5% Magic Attack)
RESETS @ 3am EST / 12am PTZ / 8am GMT -0
Day 1 - Kill 50 times
Day 2 - Kill 100 times
Day 3 - Kill 150* times
Day 4 - Kill 200* times
Day 5 - Kill 250* times
Day 6 - Kill 300* times
Day 7 - Kill 350* times

Kill 100 times + Complete 5 Daily gLTQs
Ban'ana Dragon 189,664/155,179 (+25% Beast Attack)

Drops
[Lv 1-25]Tier 1 - Cheetah 124/152 - Weeta 131/131 - Quisp 137/112
[Lv 1-50]Tier 2 - Tax Man 385/278 - Apple Pie Witch 312/324 - Cow of Chaos 276/415
[Lv 1-80]Tier 3 - Lux'or 745/911 - Aronius 888/727 - Bigex CXXIII 787/786
[Lv 26-100]Tier 4 - Dream 1,531/1,531 - Topperi 1,365/1,809 - Person 1,839/1,278
[Lv 51-100]Tier 5 - Squirrel Rider 2,883/2,359 - Minion 2,690/2,690 - Rastlin the Great 2,483/3,035
[Lv 81-100]Tier 6 - Ravin's Lady 6,621/4,414 - Cloud XXII 5,557/4,927 - Grand Conjurer Lys 4,842/5,918

Boss HP by Level Tiers (Was pictures in one of the chat apps, uncertain of source)
### - current event (###) - prior event

5-25
Lv 50 - 275,000 (150,000)
Lv 60 - 450,000 (325,000)
Lv 70 - 750,000 (450,000)
Lv 75 - ? (550,000)
Lv 80 - 1.0M (750,000)
Lv 85 - 1.65M (950,000)
Lv 90 - ? (1.45M)
Lv 95 - 3M (?)
Lv 99 - ? (1.75M)
Lv 100 - 11M (4.7M)

26-50
Lv 50 - ? (3.25M)
Lv 60 - 6.3M (?)
Lv 70 - 10.6M (?)
Lv 75 - 13.3M (?)
Lv 80 - 16.6M (?)
Lv 85 - 23M (15M)
Lv 90 - ? (21.5M)
Lv 95 - ? (30.5M)
Lv 99 - ? (38.5M)
Lv 100 - ? (65M)

51-75
Lv 50 - 7M (5.1M)
Lv 60 - 11.2M (8.35M)
Lv 70 - 18.3M (12.5M)
Lv 75 - 21.4M (15M)
Lv 80 - 26M (19M)
Lv 85 - 36.3M (24.3M)
Lv 90 - 50M (33.5M)
Lv 95 - ? (46.3M)
Lv 99 - ? (56.5M)
Lv 100 - ? (?)

76-100
Lv 50 - 10.5M (8.9M)
Lv 60 - 16.5M (13M)
Lv 70 - 25M (19.6M)
Lv 75 - 30M (23M)
Lv 80 - 38M (27.5M)
Lv 85 - 47M (34.5M)
Lv 90 - 55M (44M)
Lv 95 - 81M (56M)
Lv 99 - 122M (77M)
Lv 100 - 165M (105M)

101-151
Lv 50 - 21.5M (16.5M)
Lv 60 - 32.5M (25.5M)
Lv 70 - 42.5M (33.5M)
Lv 75 - 50M (40M)
Lv 80 - 62M (44M)
Lv 85 - 80M (49M)
Lv 90 - 100M (70M)
Lv 95 - 120M (89M)
Lv 99 - 180M (112M)
Lv 100 - 247.5M (155M)

151+
Lv 50 - 48.5M (24.2M)
Lv 60 - 79M (48.5M)
Lv 70 - 96M (68M)
Lv 75 - ? (75M)
Lv 80 - 115M (97M)
Lv 85 - ? (120M)
Lv 90 - ? (150M)
Lv 95 - ? (210M)
Lv 99 - ? (380M)
Lv 100 - 956M (550M)

SF Shadow87
01-16-2014, 02:32 PM
Seems like gree has done it again. Screwed the epic boss even more

almarro1
01-16-2014, 02:33 PM
The event is buggy again, my gold hit makes 2000 damage when it should do 12 million

Sir JB
01-16-2014, 02:34 PM
Yup I can't even kill the level 1 boss with Gold hits.

JPFAS
01-16-2014, 02:38 PM
Boss event is f*d up

larrydavid
01-16-2014, 02:39 PM
By timer it looks to have been released 9hrs too early lol. Gree sucks balls.

taxman
01-16-2014, 02:41 PM
Looks like the inverse of the glitch they had a while back where it started you at the level you left off on the last boss event.

My guess is that it is starting at level 1 but the damage needed is still what you would have needed for the last boss you killed last event.

Person
01-16-2014, 02:41 PM
The event is buggy again, my gold hit makes 2000 damage when it should do 12 million

though i doubt the 12m unboosted attack part, something clearly is wrong ^^

almarro1
01-16-2014, 02:46 PM
though i doubt the 12m unboosted attack part, something clearly is wrong ^^

My FA last RB was close to 60 million, so believe it or not, my gold hit is 12m

Voxker
01-16-2014, 02:47 PM
events without bugs: back to 0

Sirius
01-16-2014, 02:47 PM
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the heads up we are looking into it and should have an update shortly. Do apologize for this.

Zenobia
01-16-2014, 02:48 PM
Sigh. Epic boss - epically bugged.

SF Shadow87
01-16-2014, 02:49 PM
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the heads up we are looking into it and should have an update shortly. Do apologize for this.
Thanks for the quick respones Sirius 👍

alonibb
01-16-2014, 02:50 PM
Well. Im not surprised. I wonder if Grees developers will mention Gree in their CV. I wouldnt hire a Gree developer for free...

Lys
01-16-2014, 02:52 PM
Sirius, it looks like someone made an oops and the damage being done is only 1/100,000 of what should be done. So, someone messed up the damage calculation there. Thanks for the quick response.

While I've got you here, anything special on my end since I'm getting the 100 kill unit from the get-go? Tried asking ya in the announcement thread, but never got a reply.

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the heads up we are looking into it and should have an update shortly. Do apologize for this.

almarro1
01-16-2014, 02:57 PM
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the heads up we are looking into it and should have an update shortly. Do apologize for this.

Glad to do your work. These days the quest within quests is to find where the bug is.

Shluggy
01-16-2014, 03:01 PM
Surely it's going to be better to just take the event away, right at this early stage and start it again. Obviously giving back any gems that have been used, if any.

Krayt
01-16-2014, 03:04 PM
Lys, what unit did you get for this?

Greybeard
01-16-2014, 03:04 PM
events without bugs: back to 0

Did it ever get off of zero to get back to zero?

MidnightExpress
01-16-2014, 03:06 PM
What happened to the Beta Testing before an event rolls out... Oh forgot, we are the Beta Testers. 😡😡😡

Sirius
01-16-2014, 03:07 PM
Just a quick update we have found the issue and it should be fixed shortly. Appreciate everyones patience on this.

Zenobia
01-16-2014, 03:09 PM
Thanks, Sirius! :D

taxman
01-16-2014, 03:10 PM
looks like it is fixed. Can I have my energy back? :cool:

Lys
01-16-2014, 03:11 PM
Lys, what unit did you get for this?

Krayt, I got the 100 kill unit, Gemello, The Twin-Headed Terror (Magic Unit, 113,798 / 93,108) with a 20% Infantry Boost on it. Working on closing that 10 million gap between my attack and defense some more.

Sirius
01-16-2014, 03:13 PM
Should be fixed now folks!

Lara4578
01-16-2014, 03:20 PM
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the heads up we are looking into it and should have an update shortly. Do apologize for this.

Sirius, there's no EB bonus damage, our individual bonus not working, please look into it, thank you!

Lara4578
01-16-2014, 03:20 PM
Should be fixed now folks!

Sirius, there's no EB bonus damage, our individual bonus not working, please look into it, thank you!

Luxor69
01-16-2014, 03:20 PM
Too late for us in Europe, wasted energy testing if it was fixed - and now cannot recharge until too late tonight, wasted time that may cost us completion in the long run - but at least its fixed!

Krayt
01-16-2014, 03:51 PM
Krayt, I got the 100 kill unit, Gemello, The Twin-Headed Terror (Magic Unit, 113,798 / 93,108) with a 20% Infantry Boost on it. Working on closing that 10 million gap between my attack and defense some more.

Congrats Lys, that is a sweet unit
Happy for you getting it

Lys
01-16-2014, 05:21 PM
Should be fixed now folks!
Welp, before I make a thread specifically for it, I need to know if my 'Kill Gemello 100 times' quest will still be active, and if I can get him a second time or not. Need to decide if I'm killing bosses for my guild, or going for 100.

Mia Bone
01-16-2014, 05:44 PM
Does anyone know if they have decreased the XP on this epic boss event?
Last event the xp for killing bosses were ridiculous?
Really do not want to lvl up 6x just to finish this.

MindMachine
01-16-2014, 06:33 PM
Wow i am a unit now 😍

Lys
01-16-2014, 06:49 PM
Wow i am a unit now 😍
And everyone gets to have you! A lot of units are named here, pretty nifty.

Shadows
01-16-2014, 07:28 PM
Wow i am a unit now ��

Hey, that's super cool! :-)

What guild is getting honored this time? Unless you're just pulling our collective leg ;-)

edit: just read Cheetah's new thread saying runners-up are getting honored, as well as the winner Lys I assume...

asked and answered :-)

Torshavn
01-16-2014, 07:33 PM
Hello, just wondering what is the minimum level to activate the epic boss? I got the splash screen and quest but the boss hasn't triggered once.

Jnsolberg
01-16-2014, 08:05 PM
You need to be a level 5 to kill bosses.
There's also a Squirrel Rider as one of the Rare units!

Zenobia
01-16-2014, 09:39 PM
Does anyone know if they have decreased the XP on this epic boss event?
Last event the xp for killing bosses were ridiculous?
Really do not want to lvl up 6x just to finish this.

So far, on my mini, it seems to be L1 Boss kill = 10 XP, L2, 15XP, L3 20XP, etc. That is not including the quest experience, just the kills. So far none of that crazy 250 XP for a low-level boss kill crap they pulled on us last time.

In other words, (Boss level +1)*5 = XP.

Congrats, Lys, on winning the contest!

Aronius
01-16-2014, 10:10 PM
I find it strange seeing a unit named after me as loot everytime the battle screen loads up.... My suggestion was Cthulhu didn't win but this is really cool and a bit of an honor.... I better win my unit, would be a shame not to.

Lys
01-16-2014, 10:46 PM
I find it strange seeing a unit named after me as loot everytime the battle screen loads up.... My suggestion was Cthulhu didn't win but this is really cool and a bit of an honor.... I better win my unit, would be a shame not to.
You have won... yourself! Now, win more of yourself and storm someone's kingdom! Ah, such cheap laughs to be had. xD Cthulhu is cool, as who doesn't like the guy? Shame they misspelled his name though.

And for the unit bit, I'm curious if I'm named after one. If not, so be it, the dragon is nifty enough. Really glad that they did a decent job with the art, too. I've been looking forward to this event for over a month. xD

DavidtheBoo
01-17-2014, 01:22 AM
Yay! My sent in name had become the kill 100 and 5times daily prize, unfortunately I can't get it myself....

Shadows
01-17-2014, 01:25 AM
I find it strange seeing a unit named after me as loot everytime the battle screen loads up.... My suggestion was Cthulhu didn't win but this is really cool and a bit of an honor.... I better win my unit, would be a shame not to.

Happy to say you've already been added to my army! :-)

larrydavid
01-17-2014, 05:39 AM
Well done on the awesome write up, I'll add as I go...might be slow b/c waiting for GLTQ.

Quisp
01-17-2014, 07:23 AM
Lol my player name is Sir Quisp but they must have named my unit after my younger version as it is only Quisp. Being the lowest level for units guessing everyone already has one. I admitt having players names in units is one of the cooler things Gree has done.

Do I need give apologies for my poor units stats lol?

England Jon
01-17-2014, 09:53 AM
Sorry dumb question for which I expect the appropriate abuse, but do the Daily Challenges to come start at 03:00 EST, 08:00 GMT?

taxman
01-17-2014, 10:09 AM
That is what it looks like. First one started early so had 31 hrs on it.

Krayt
01-17-2014, 10:48 AM
That is what it looks like. First one started early so had 31 hrs on it.

It started early, so isnt more likely it's around 12 EST start?

taxman
01-17-2014, 10:50 AM
I checked the clock on the day one guild part at 9:30pm pacific and it showed 1 day 2 hrs and 30 mins so I am guessing it will reset at midnight PST.

Lys
01-17-2014, 11:30 AM
Sorry dumb question for which I expect the appropriate abuse, but do the Daily Challenges to come start at 03:00 EST, 08:00 GMT?
Nah, not a dumb question at all. According to timers, the reset would fall on 3am EST / 8am GMT. I've added that info to the first post as well.

Shadows
01-17-2014, 11:41 AM
I checked the clock on the day one guild part at 9:30pm pacific and it showed 1 day 2 hrs and 30 mins so I am guessing it will reset at midnight PST.

So I'm assuming you also sent in a epic boss idea? :-) and yes, I have a few of you in my army as well!

cheetah
01-17-2014, 12:13 PM
They naamed units after forum names

Zenobia
01-17-2014, 12:55 PM
For anyone contemplating doing this, but remain conservative on CP, the total CP for all the boss kills plus all the quest parts (assuming both continue the pattern of +5 XP per level), is 26,800 + the XP for whatever you do to trigger the 100 bosses. If you do it at crossroads and it triggers every time, that is +100.

AllFather Odin
01-17-2014, 04:41 PM
Are we gonna get to continue this quest or not???

Alaskan Amber
01-17-2014, 04:56 PM
Is anyone else having problems with the second part of the guild quest. It has not opened up for our guild yet?

Quisp
01-17-2014, 05:02 PM
It is not open for anyone. I think it will start on the 24 hour day turnover in the quest timer for the entire event.

Zenobia
01-17-2014, 05:17 PM
Since the first quest was due to expire at midnight Pacific time, it stands to reason that is when the next will start, and that the rest will be 24-hour quests as usual. The timing sucks big time for everyone in the States but what can you do?

I am more bummed that I calculated the XP for completing the 100 kills + quests, and it would actually force my mini to climb at least TEN LEVELS. The final prize is very, very, very nice but I am not willing to pay that extreme an XP penalty for it I'm sad to say. So no gems to be bought for my mini, and no help from my mini for the guild quests. I will just do what I can for free on my main.

It SUCKS that Gree is forcing these XP down our throats for one of the two things minis exist for (the other being the ability to average twice as many CP per successful hit in war). I've said it before and I'll say it again: It is Gree's penalizing the HLPs in war and difficulty in Epic Bosses that directly caused the rise of the mini. And rather than kill the mini as they are trying to do, to actually empower the HLP to do it all (including score as much as a mini in war, and complete 100 Epic Bosses) is really the better solution. Make us WANT to level and we will.

NinjaHonu
01-17-2014, 05:48 PM
For anyone contemplating doing this, but remain conservative on CP, the total CP for all the boss kills plus all the quest parts (assuming both continue the pattern of +5 XP per level), is 26,800 + the XP for whatever you do to trigger the 100 bosses. If you do it at crossroads and it triggers every time, that is +100.

Thank you Z for computing this.... I already leveled twice... :( :( :(
My mini is also sitting out... I dont want to go from level 30s to 50s... lol.

Lys
01-17-2014, 06:37 PM
Since the first quest was due to expire at midnight Pacific time, it stands to reason that is when the next will start, and that the rest will be 24-hour quests as usual. The timing sucks big time for everyone in the States but what can you do?

I am more bummed that I calculated the XP for completing the 100 kills + quests, and it would actually force my mini to climb at least TEN LEVELS. The final prize is very, very, very nice but I am not willing to pay that extreme an XP penalty for it I'm sad to say. So no gems to be bought for my mini, and no help from my mini for the guild quests. I will just do what I can for free on my main.

It SUCKS that Gree is forcing these XP down our throats for one of the two things minis exist for (the other being the ability to average twice as many CP per successful hit in war). I've said it before and I'll say it again: It is Gree's penalizing the HLPs in war and difficulty in Epic Bosses that directly caused the rise of the mini. And rather than kill the mini as they are trying to do, to actually empower the HLP to do it all (including score as much as a mini in war, and complete 100 Epic Bosses) is really the better solution. Make us WANT to level and we will.

Zenobia...

The Epic Boss has always been heavy on low-level players for the longest time I can remember. At least 10 levels worth, anyways. The first one I completed fully, 50 kills, was also the first one I participated in, and I gained something like 15 or 20 levels at the time.

You don't want 25% Beast Attack, 20% Infantry Defense, and you want to selfishly hold potential kills back when Days 6 and 7 roll around for your guild all because you want to keep your precious llp a low level? No offense meant, but f'ing get real. That mindset is a major issue of the game right now, Epic Bosses have never been a free stroll in the park, and the EXP gain potential, to me, is considered enough to justify the bonuses.

Or, you could just have it sit in a guild, do nothing, and gain EXP only from the guild quests as it selfishly builds from doing nothing. That's why the Guild rewards this cycle were dropped so much (at least I believe so). Just imagine if you didn't have a good weapon for your precious llp, it really wouldn't get anywhere.

I'm a bit harsh, but really, that's just silly.

alonibb
01-17-2014, 11:21 PM
Agree with Lys. Whats the fun in playing the game if you dont want to play and only get rewards for others work?

I have a LLP too but will try to help the guild with is as much as possible.

England Jon
01-18-2014, 12:54 AM
If you are level 15 is it possible to complete the 100 kills without the need for gems? If not, how many gems is it likely to require?

Quisp
01-18-2014, 05:29 AM
The major problem with this and all events is this is the only game I know that programs the oxy-moron of "experience penalty". Sooner or later gree will realize this is effecting their bottom line and the advantage of being a low level will dry up quickly. A day the level 200s look forward to and the mini dreads. But mark my words it will happen.

akaoshi
01-18-2014, 08:36 AM
Funny that a mini can't do LTQ cos xp is high, can't do epic boss cos xp is high, can't have a weapon for LTQs, is useless for raid boss, so why to start KA now when Gree is killing all new character?
Time to quit a game where developers kill fun

Jnsolberg
01-18-2014, 09:27 AM
Gree is trying to level up the minis:
Here's two of my games:

Level 185, boss 78, gained 70 Xp
Level 63, boss 27, gained 140 Xp
Wtf?
Also the gold requirements for level 200s is crazy! 1k per boss level:
Boss 25 = 25k gold per hit
Boss 50 = 50k gold per hit
Boss 75 = 75k gold per hit
Boss 109 = 100k gold per hit

SF Shadow87
01-18-2014, 11:41 AM
Gree is trying to level up the minis:
Here's two of my games:

Level 185, boss 78, gained 70 Xp
Level 63, boss 27, gained 140 Xp
Wtf?
Also the gold requirements for level 200s is crazy! 1k per boss level:
Boss 25 = 25k gold per hit
Boss 50 = 50k gold per hit
Boss 75 = 75k gold per hit
Boss 109 = 100k gold per hit
Have you already killed 100 boss?

Jnsolberg
01-18-2014, 01:33 PM
Sorry for any confusion.
No, the first number is the level of my game. My level 185 game is killing boss # 92 right now.
My level 200 game just killed boss #42. It took 42,000 for a gold hit.

Sr Chubbs
01-18-2014, 01:53 PM
I am looking for a guild that is going for day 3 reward. I am lvl 152 with 2M atk and have only killed 5 bosses so far. I also have 3-4 other guild mates that are similar to me. PM me if u have openings.

Rocco69
01-18-2014, 02:14 PM
Last boss event after either lvl 30 or 31 the boss was suddenly much easier to kill. Is this true again?

larrydavid
01-18-2014, 02:53 PM
Kill 90: Badger CLXV 14490/11856 machine
Kill 95: Z'ach CXXIII 13097/16008 machine

akaoshi
01-18-2014, 02:56 PM
A friend started from L16, now at boss 66 ,leveled up 20 times, he will be over L50 before start Boss 100. This is simply ridicoulos

txstud903
01-18-2014, 04:15 PM
Level 65 is Vilulf the fallen Samurai 7457/7165

txstud903
01-18-2014, 04:36 PM
Level 70 boss- 70xp+ Cree 8346/8345

Yessfsdd
01-19-2014, 12:31 AM
It seems to me Gree does not test out events and quests before they launch them. Rather they put it out and let us do the bug finding...which is good cuz this way u dont have to hire Alpha/Beta Testers, which in turn Saves money. Just Genius!!...(echo)Genius...(echo)Genius!!

PS: Face it guys just one test would reveal 90% of bugs to who ever is doing the testing. **shakes my head in shame and walks away**

alonibb
01-19-2014, 01:55 AM
Last boss event after either lvl 30 or 31 the boss was suddenly much easier to kill. Is this true again?
I want to know this as well. Someone?

Ryosaeba
01-19-2014, 01:56 AM
You all know you don't HAVE to do the quests if you think xp is too high (i.e. unit gain not worth the xp)... you can simply ride along with the guild quests and gain stats that way. I mean is there any rule that one must finish every single quest Gree puts out?

Heck, I don't even raid anything that pays less then L3 Manors no more because I feel it isn't worth the xp!

Mini exc
01-19-2014, 02:12 AM
Every kill on the boss I gain 150 exp is that true? Because I am leveling too fast now. There are no pop out of me gaining 150 exp but my level just keep increasing.

The red Baron
01-19-2014, 02:46 AM
Yes after lv 30 i could kill again with one free hit.

txstud903
01-19-2014, 06:27 AM
Level 75- 75xp+ Garboosa 7559/11339
Level 85- 85xp+ Dud'eh Viceroy of Persecution 14235/9490

Zenobia
01-19-2014, 02:01 PM
Well, considering I have never shown you any disrespect whatsoever, that was pretty f'ing rude to me, the "No offense meant" not doing a thing to alleviate the rudeness, condescension and borderline hostility of your post.

When you created your thread about the mini ruining the game, I thought it was an attention-grabbing headline, and obvious that the the only reason the mini exists is in reaction to Gree penalizing leveling. I didn't realize that you yourself ACTUALLY blame the mini which is a middle step in a cause-effect cascade, but apparently the one you take issue with, rather than taking issue wit the root cause, that of Gree penalizing leveling. You sound more than a little bitter about minis on a personal level I am now seeing. It is not the fault of the players who created minis - it is clearly the fault of Gree for forcing us to create minis if we want to score decent CP. Blaming the reaction to the root cause of the problem is extremely short-sighted. It is the problem of penalizing leveling that should be blamed.


Zenobia...

The Epic Boss has always been heavy on low-level players for the longest time I can remember. At least 10 levels worth, anyways. The first one I completed fully, 50 kills, was also the first one I participated in, and I gained something like 15 or 20 levels at the time.

You don't want 25% Beast Attack, 20% Infantry Defense, and you want to selfishly hold potential kills back when Days 6 and 7 roll around for your guild all because you want to keep your precious llp a low level? No offense meant, but f'ing get real. That mindset is a major issue of the game right now, Epic Bosses have never been a free stroll in the park, and the EXP gain potential, to me, is considered enough to justify the bonuses.

Or, you could just have it sit in a guild, do nothing, and gain EXP only from the guild quests as it selfishly builds from doing nothing. That's why the Guild rewards this cycle were dropped so much (at least I believe so). Just imagine if you didn't have a good weapon for your precious llp, it really wouldn't get anywhere.

I'm a bit harsh, but really, that's just silly.

Shiloh
01-19-2014, 02:20 PM
Zenobia, I agree that the initial action is GREE's. They have perverted the entire concept of RPG games to pursue profit. To divorce your reaction from accountability is wrong however. You can choose to give in to the upside down scenario Gree has created or to stay with your guild and take the rewards you are limited to.

For most of us, we don't have that choice, we don't have the stats to do the whole mini guild thing. So it's easy for us to to poo poo your choice. I don't poo poo you, but I can't agree that you are not perpetuating the problem with your choice. If I could do it, I probably would too. Sucks being human, a born sinner.

Zenobia
01-19-2014, 02:35 PM
Not that it is any non-Crow's business what I do to contribute to my guild, but should we run into any difficulties completing the end days of the Epic Boss Guild Quest (which we will not), I fully intend to make as many extra kills from my main as it takes to ensure we, all the HLPs, mid-levels, LLPs and minis in my guild, get all the guild prizes. And if it made a difference to my guild completing a quest or not, but cost my mini a few levels, I'd take the XP penalty without hesitation. The assumption that I am being a selfish person with regards to the guild quest is an unwarranted and offensive misjudgement of my character for anyone to make.

Euchred
01-19-2014, 02:38 PM
*munches popcorn*

Lys
01-19-2014, 03:12 PM
Honestly, I just lack tact. Usually come off as an a-hole even when trying not to. I like to stir things up and gets folks thinking a pinch, the whole mini bit was just that, a theory put out there to see what others thought. Also, I'm guilty of a mini myself, I just don't restrain myself too much and just sort of do whatever with it. Then again, that might be why mine, although powerful for it's level, isn't as crazy as others when it comes to the A/D per level ratio. It is GREE's base fault for the penalizing via levels, I'll agree with you there.

And yeah, silly of me to make an assumption. I know plenty about how you break down assume, and it bit me there. It really did sound sort of silly once I read your post two or three times though. You sort of came off as the extreme spectrum of pro-mini and anti-gree with the rehash of the experience being a penalty discussion though. Anyways, just wanted to clarify.

Also, I'm more bitter when it comes to dealing with retired FUN members (FUN5, anyone? Those matchups sucked ass) than when it comes to minis.


Well, considering I have never shown you any disrespect whatsoever, that was pretty f'ing rude to me, the "No offense meant" not doing a thing to alleviate the rudeness, condescension and borderline hostility of your post.


When you created your thread about the mini ruining the game, I thought it was an attention-grabbing headline, and obvious that the the only reason the mini exists is in reaction to Gree penalizing leveling. I didn't realize that you yourself ACTUALLY blame the mini which is a middle step in a cause-effect cascade, but apparently the one you take issue with, rather than taking issue wit the root cause, that of Gree penalizing leveling. You sound more than a little bitter about minis on a personal level I am now seeing. It is not the fault of the players who created minis - it is clearly the fault of Gree for forcing us to create minis if we want to score decent CP. Blaming the reaction to the root cause of the problem is extremely short-sighted. It is the problem of penalizing leveling that should be blamed.

Zenobia
01-19-2014, 03:27 PM
You are right - it IS silly of me to think if I say it in enough different ways in response to different aspects of it that come up here, that Gree might actually listen. But when it comes up, I think, "maybe, just maybe someone at Gree will actually read this thread and further actually get it. Yes, I am silly that way, lol. :p

BTW, I did get Etteron the Lichslayer on my mini with only a few levels' penalty. In my experience, it does penalize us more XP these last 2 bosses than it did that first 100-boss reward.


Honestly, I just lack tact. Usually come off as an a-hole even when trying not to. I like to stir things up and gets folks thinking a pinch, the whole mini bit was just that, a theory put out there to see what others thought. Also, I'm guilty of a mini myself, I just don't restrain myself too much and just sort of do whatever with it. Then again, that might be why mine, although powerful for it's level, isn't as crazy as others when it comes to the A/D per level ratio. It is GREE's base fault for the penalizing via levels, I'll agree with you there.

And yeah, silly of me to make an assumption. I know plenty about how you break down assume, and it bit me there. It really did sound sort of silly once I read your post two or three times though. You sort of came off as the extreme spectrum of pro-mini and anti-gree with the rehash of the experience being a penalty discussion though. Anyways, just wanted to clarify.

Also, I'm more bitter when it comes to dealing with retired FUN members (FUN5, anyone? Those matchups sucked ass) than when it comes to minis.

taxman
01-19-2014, 09:55 PM
Honestly of the xp is too high for you, dont do the quests. Maybe it just makes sense to me but when i look at a new quest, i run a cost benefit analysis for xp gain, cost to complete the event and time spent. If i determine it is worth it, i push, if not i pass. If you want to be able to just wildly go into every event and do them all, then play a level 200 player. If your goal is to maintain an optimum level to atk/def you need to think it out more.

Devils advocate argument from a level 200 player could go the opposite way. Why should all these minis continue to push past my player that i have had forever. Damage has been done with stat inflation already in most cases but it at least gives these guys a small fighting chance in that they can gain units the LLP's cant.

Quisp
01-20-2014, 02:46 AM
Wait till the next war and the change the xp for battle wins. The bigger the difference between levels the more xp you will get. Minis will gain 50 to 70 levels per war.

larrydavid
01-20-2014, 06:29 AM
If you don't think the XP is worth the prize the don't do it. Stop asking Gree to put out quests that favor your character. STFU and quit. I am sick of hearing LLP bi%*ch about XP.

HLP disadvantaged in war and LLP disadvantaged with XP. It is the best solution we will get from them.

Shocker, this useful thread with prizes and good information even went to crap.

plavine
01-20-2014, 07:13 AM
Funny that a mini can't do LTQ cos xp is high, can't do epic boss cos xp is high, can't have a weapon for LTQs, is useless for raid boss, so why to start KA now when Gree is killing all new character?
Time to quit a game where developers kill fun

To be honest , as a level 178 with a 2.7 mil attack , who started playing before all this stat inflation , I have a difficult feeling sorry for all you minis with same attack I have complaining about getting too much xp on high level bosses. It is a way for gree to even things a little . This is way gree chose to let the game progress. So you guys can kick my butt in the wars and get your 500+ cp, and do level 100 of the epic , while it takes me 7 gold hits at level 13 . As long as gem players continue to line gree's pockets for every event , this is the way itis going to be .

plavine
01-20-2014, 07:15 AM
If you don't think the XP is worth the prize the don't do it. Stop asking Gree to put out quests that favor your character. STFU and quit. I am sick of hearing LLP bi%*ch about XP.

HLP disadvantaged in war and LLP disadvantaged with XP. It is the best solution we will get from them.

Shocker, this useful thread with prizes and good information even went to crap.

Amen - dude , see my reply too

Dogs Pizza
01-20-2014, 07:27 AM
I rarely agree with LarryDavid, but this is one of those times that I do. Its really annoying hearing llps complain about the xp on every single event. Look at the xp, if you think its too much don't do the event! LLPs whine that its too high, while HLPs have a tough time getting past lvl 30. I dont like the level penalty anymore than any other low level player does, but if you look at the game from outside you will see that this is the only possible way for it to go as long as they refuse to remove the level cap.

Zenobia
01-20-2014, 10:10 AM
Yes, that is exactly what I did. I calculated the total XP penalty for completing the epic boss (27k) and posted it in this thread so that everyone could use that information to decide for themselves whether to complete it or not. How many levels it would cost is an estimate because the only info I could find on the exact XP each level is now is out-dated (it shows example that it take 43,990 XP to be leveled to 51 but now it is 43,915). For me the cost was 10 levels or so and I chose not to do it.

I shared the total quest XP in this thread in an attempt at being helpful to others considering whether or not to do the quest with a mini, then the estimated levels it would penalize and compared that to past Epic Bosses which DID penalize a lot less, and objected to that change so that Gree knows we know what they are doing... but clearly my attempts at helpfulness here nowadays are met only with hostility on the lines of "STFU and quit".

If Gree would either stop penalizing us for leveling, which no other game maker does because it's stupid, or stop increasing XP to force LLPs to level and therefore be penalized, then I'd gladly STFU about it. Until then, I will share with this community the information I glean that Gree does not openly share, and I will object to their tactics when I believe they are making the game less fun. And anyone who doesn't like it, don't f-ing read my posts.


Honestly of the xp is too high for you, dont do the quests. Maybe it just makes sense to me but when i look at a new quest, i run a cost benefit analysis for xp gain, cost to complete the event and time spent. If i determine it is worth it, i push, if not i pass. If you want to be able to just wildly go into every event and do them all, then play a level 200 player. If your goal is to maintain an optimum level to atk/def you need to think it out more.

Lys
01-21-2014, 12:42 AM
Welp, ain't this dandy. I kind of want to get at least one drop of myself, yet every level 100 boss I kill it's +500 EXP. Oh boy, what to do, what to do... And apparently, bonuses don't stack outside of the unit rewards from these guild related dailies, as my two Gemello dragons only provide the boost once. Oh well. Love that programming.

Person
01-21-2014, 01:41 AM
Welp, ain't this dandy. I kind of want to get at least one drop of myself, yet every level 100 boss I kill it's +500 EXP. Oh boy, what to do, what to do... And apparently, bonuses don't stack outside of the unit rewards from these guild related dailies, as my two Gemello dragons only provide the boost once. Oh well. Love that programming.

Of course not, bonuses have never stacked unless specifically stated like in these daily boss guild events. If you get your Gemello to stack I'd like for my Templar knights to stack too please.

Lys
01-21-2014, 11:30 AM
Of course not, bonuses have never stacked unless specifically stated like in these daily boss guild events. If you get your Gemello to stack I'd like for my Templar knights to stack too please.

Hey, Person. Quit dropping from these lv 100 bosses I'm killing, trying to get myself here!

On a more serious note, I recall the whole bonuses not stacking discussion, but was under the impression that when they introduced the Lich with the CP bonus they removed that aspect. I sent in a ticket, if I get mine to stack somehow I'll PM you or something so you can send in a ticket too.

cheetah
01-21-2014, 12:27 PM
Yay! My sent in name had become the kill 100 and 5times daily prize, unfortunately I can't get it myself....david the boo drop prize after lvl 25

Zenobia
01-21-2014, 04:27 PM
On a more serious note, I recall the whole bonuses not stacking discussion, but was under the impression that when they introduced the Lich with the CP bonus they removed that aspect. I sent in a ticket, if I get mine to stack somehow I'll PM you or something so you can send in a ticket too.

The daily guild quest epic boss prizes were the first units to have stacking bonuses. Before then, they made it sound like it was impossible to stack if you sent in a ticket about your two same units not adding. But the daily guild quest epic boss prizes proved that they very well can make same-unit boosts stack, it is only that they choose NOT to do so unless they feel like it. My 2 Templar Champions still only count one bonus. The duplicate Individual Rank War Prizes DO stack, however, I have heard.

It is absolutely not a matter of being unable to stack, quite clearly, and yet they do not allow the ones they don't feel like stacking stack. It stinks IMO. But that's Gree for you.

Lys
01-21-2014, 06:14 PM
The daily guild quest epic boss prizes were the first units to have stacking bonuses. Before then, they made it sound like it was impossible to stack if you sent in a ticket about your two same units not adding. But the daily guild quest epic boss prizes proved that they very well can make same-unit boosts stack, it is only that they choose NOT to do so unless they feel like it. My 2 Templar Champions still only count one bonus. The duplicate Individual Rank War Prizes DO stack, however, I have heard.

It is absolutely not a matter of being unable to stack, quite clearly, and yet they do not allow the ones they don't feel like stacking stack. It stinks IMO. But that's Gree for you.

Zenobia, you're talking to the person who got Customer Service to give 1,000 free gems to after some exchanging of e-mails... I'll see what arm twisting I can pull off this time, lol! And your point is very valid, so they should be able to have said bonuses properly stack with just a few line changes, if even that. So, arm twisting has started.

Ratma2001
01-21-2014, 07:38 PM
Flame flame flame...ouch still on fire! Flame flame
Get me outta here I'm famous !

Shiloh
01-21-2014, 09:47 PM
I didn't realize they don't stack and there is no reason that they shouldn't, the attack and defense stack, there is NOTHING that denotes the bonus is treated differently. That bonus and the assumption it would stack were a reason our small non elite guild pushed so hard to complete it for 5 days, our first time as doing so.

Lys
01-21-2014, 10:17 PM
The daily reward units do stack, I was referring to Gemello's bonus and Zenobia and Person were referring to other units whose bonuses don't stack right now.

I didn't realize they don't stack and there is no reason that they shouldn't, the attack and defense stack, there is NOTHING that denotes the bonus is treated differently. That bonus and the assumption it would stack were a reason our small non elite guild pushed so hard to complete it for 5 days, our first time as doing so.

Zepson
01-22-2014, 04:40 AM
Welp, ain't this dandy. I kind of want to get at least one drop of myself, yet every level 100 boss I kill it's +500 EXP. Oh boy, what to do, what to do... And apparently, bonuses don't stack outside of the unit rewards from these guild related dailies, as my two Gemello dragons only provide the boost once. Oh well. Love that programming.

Do you get the Gemello Dragon each time you kill the lvl 100 boss?

larrydavid
01-22-2014, 05:34 AM
The daily guild quest epic boss prizes were the first units to have stacking bonuses. Before then, they made it sound like it was impossible to stack if you sent in a ticket about your two same units not adding. But the daily guild quest epic boss prizes proved that they very well can make same-unit boosts stack, it is only that they choose NOT to do so unless they feel like it. My 2 Templar Champions still only count one bonus. The duplicate Individual Rank War Prizes DO stack, however, I have heard.

It is absolutely not a matter of being unable to stack, quite clearly, and yet they do not allow the ones they don't feel like stacking stack. It stinks IMO. But that's Gree for you.

Please remind me of the Templar Champion boost?

Lys
01-22-2014, 08:52 AM
Do you get the Gemello Dragon each time you kill the lvl 100 boss?
No, just the once from the quest. However, I was given one at the start of the event for winning the contest to create this Epic Boss, so I actually ended up with two of the units in the end.

Also, repeat killing level 100s gives me 1,000 exp... so glad I got all the unit drops I wanted within a few repeat kills.

Lys
01-22-2014, 08:53 AM
Please remind me of the Templar Champion boost?
+20% Raid Gold Payout...
That'd be nice to double up on for sure.

Zepson
01-22-2014, 09:07 AM
No, just the once from the quest. However, I was given one at the start of the event for winning the contest to create this Epic Boss, so I actually ended up with two of the units in the end.

Ah OK, thanks for answering, appreciate it. There is one with your name on it if I'm not mistaken...

Zenobia
01-22-2014, 09:08 AM
Please remind me of the Templar Champion boost?

+20% raid gold

I got my first Templar Champion a loooooong time ago, by completing an event that not many did. Much later it appeared in the middle of a quest, very cheaply gotten, so suddenly everyone has one, and I get nada for my second one. A ticket was sent. The response implied that they cannot make units stack. The truth later proved to be they chose not stack those units and screw over those who put the effort in to win the unit early on.

Lys
01-22-2014, 09:19 AM
Ah OK, thanks for answering, appreciate it. There is one with your name on it if I'm not mistaken...
Yeah, that's where I kept killing 100s till I got it... the drop rates on the top tier units were miserable, I got 1 from 81-100, then had to kill another 8 Lv 100 bosses to get the one named after me. Oh vanity, I love you... lol! Was nice to see a lot of players with units named after them this time around, although there was one for one of their Customer Service reps too. I liked this Epic Boss a lot, and the fact that our boosted attack was finally used was part of that reason, lol.