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    Art of war - Question for the vets

    BACKSTORY: I have a particular person that seems to hit high stat (good stat players) seems for giggles and thats his plan is to enjoy when the other side gets annoyed. He has good stats as well for his level 111 around 240k/180k. Im at 217/166k. Me along side other people have been leveling his income building non stop but he doesnt care about that just the reaction. However he will hit you if you go over the vault.

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    His weakness as I see it is his IPH is low at 7k an hour and is a daily player but not on all the time. He has a level 10 water temple and his boost units are 8 or better. He is not a heavy gem spender only having participated using gems in the LTQ's to complete with no gem money buildings. I have a high effective IPH (IPH plus hourly raiding) and can sustain decent dragon unit losses. Is there a way to cause defender unit casualties at a rate that would make it worthwhile. I can lose 5-8 dragons for every one he loses. If I can cause enough dragon casualties and spread the attacking to the point that I can lower his attack enough i open him up to more people to attack him as well as when i decide to leave him alone it will take 2 months to rebuild to where he was. Any thoughts? I know I can just ignore him and keep leveling up but my plan is much more fun for me.
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    I did test runs attacking his low income producing (Cottages, farms bakery) (which have low defense scores) and was unable to cause a single casualty. This was after the water temple was destroyed and his beast boost building.
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    Why waste your stamina and dragons for nothing? He only hit you when you're overvault otherwise when he loses dragons, it gets expensive.
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    My IPH is low and I still managed to build a great army of Dragons. Why? Raiding and attacking the peons. Your strategy should be... leave him alone. His attack score justifies a lot of unwanted retaliation back to you.


    If I was him and you attacked me, I'd ruin your kingdom. And, I'd make sure you never went over vault again. Seriously. Over & over.

    * I love his stats. Buahahahahahahahahahahaha. Looks familiar.
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    Agree with Jonny

    I second the "leave him alone" strategy. I don't think there's any way to inflict serious damage on him that lasts any longer than it takes to find a few over vault players and re-tool. All you'll end up doing is staying on his radar and losing any over vault gold of your own.

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    Hey bgood...
    I think I recently came across the player you're talking about... because I saw your name in his comments. I thought it was interesting because he had high stats but a lot of his buildings were leveled (and now I know why).

    Also... just sent you a message with my code... but it's also in my sig. We should ally.


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    I don't think low IPH is a sign of weakness. I don't care about my IPH as I can raid and attack at will and get enough gold for my losses. For some players it's just a strategy. I imagine that I have players who would attack me but they gave up at the end as I don't have much to offer. I don't have many who can attack me so I don't worry with unvaulted gold. Maybe once I'm on whale zone I will be more careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny0284 View Post
    My IPH is low and I still managed to build a great army of Dragons. Why? Raiding and attacking the peons. Your strategy should be... leave him alone. His attack score justifies a lot of unwanted retaliation back to you.


    If I was him and you attacked me, I'd ruin your kingdom. And, I'd make sure you never went over vault again. Seriously. Over & over.

    * I love his stats. Buahahahahahahahahahahaha. Looks familiar.
    I agree that i probably will leave him alone however there is a stategy checklist i go through...Peace...war...move on

    He attacked me 3 different times prior before i started leveling things. Now the list of people looking to hit this guy is so long i cant even get to the good buildings because someone else levels them. The reason i posed the question was because i recognize that was my only shot to outright win. However it looks like if your the person being attacked your casualty rate of units is far less then if you are the aggressor which from a logical standpoint should not be the case. If i were able to cause casualties at a decent clip say 8 dragons lost per 20 attacks...regardless of my dragonloss because I can make that up plus spread the losses across the other people im attacking...eventually you can make a dent and once you lower his stats under yours then you can keep burying him. Because his IPH is in 7000's with a few buildings making that up if you level them then raiding is the only source of raiding dragons. His net losses would be slow but would exponentially grow as his stats shrunk.

    However I cant cause the losses i need to make it worthwhile. In a realistic war this war of attrition should be a viable option however in this game its not so i move...but always keeping an eye to see if he is over the vault.
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    My strategy for the game is not to anything that puts me on the newsfeed of people who can level my kingdom over and over. I wait until I've passed them and then attack them.
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    The warmonger.

    Bryan, A player like this does not depend on his iph to sustain his army or to proceed in the game. levelling the kingdom only serves to keep you on the news feed and DELAY your own progress. Particularly if you should have aspirations of items that require you to go overvault. The player in question may ignore you for weeks, then strike when you think the storm has passed and you've gone way overvault.
    Your best strategy is to not attack and hope you get knocked off the news feed, worst thing you can do is play his game. Sending ally's in to "level" his kingdom only adds more names for him to farm.

    Attempting to whittle away at his dragons has merit on paper and is a commendable strategy, but the reality is, an experienced raider can replace 20 or 30 dragons in an hour, meanwhile , you will have expended a considerable amount of time and resources and have remained on top of the news feed.
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    EC:

    It took a little bit to get to the conclusion you speak of. I had to go through the stages anger, denial and finally acceptance. Everyone who got sent in were already on your feed as a result of your attack I just gave them the collection times of your buildings...which is a mistake because now i can't get to em...oh well. My strategy would of worked if I were able to inflict dragon losses at a decent rate as your not a full time player and finding 2 over the vaults an hour takes a lot of time. Once reduced your attack power it would limit the people you could attack to recoup thus having a large effect...however like you said commedable strategy but in KA reality does not work...hence i've moved on...and due to those people attacking my name will drop off your list..

    See ya on the flip side EC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilcloak View Post
    Bryan, A player like this does not depend on his iph to sustain his army or to proceed in the game. levelling the kingdom only serves to keep you on the news feed and DELAY your own progress. Particularly if you should have aspirations of items that require you to go overvault. The player in question may ignore you for weeks, then strike when you think the storm has passed and you've gone way overvault.
    Your best strategy is to not attack and hope you get knocked off the news feed, worst thing you can do is play his game. Sending ally's in to "level" his kingdom only adds more names for him to farm.

    Attempting to whittle away at his dragons has merit on paper and is a commendable strategy, but the reality is, an experienced raider can replace 20 or 30 dragons in an hour, meanwhile , you will have expended a considerable amount of time and resources and have remained on top of the news feed.
    Solid advice. Because, it's the truth.
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    Originally Posted by Evilcloak
    Bryan, A player like this does not depend on his iph to sustain his army or to proceed in the game. levelling the kingdom only serves to keep you on the news feed and DELAY your own progress. Particularly if you should have aspirations of items that require you to go overvault. The player in question may ignore you for weeks, then strike when you think the storm has passed and you've gone way overvault.
    Your best strategy is to not attack and hope you get knocked off the news feed, worst thing you can do is play his game. Sending ally's in to "level" his kingdom only adds more names for him to farm.

    Attempting to whittle away at his dragons has merit on paper and is a commendable strategy, but the reality is, an experienced raider can replace 20 or 30 dragons in an hour, meanwhile , you will have expended a considerable amount of time and resources and have remained on top of the news feed.
    Solid advice. Because, it's the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny0284 View Post
    Solid advice. Because, it's the truth.
    I finally started working on my IPH, but I got very far in this game farming players that were working on their IPH and going overvault. The challenge is it requires a much more active role in game play.

    Here is the thing... He is stronger than you, and he can farm much more money they you can obtain through IPH. I would suggest either stop attacking him and wait for your name to fall of their list.... OR ask for forgiveness on their wall and leave your number and hope he adds you.

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    iph doesnt really matter .. i have a low iph but i made 400.000 in 2 hours raiding and attacking overvault players
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    It doesn't matter because of casualty rates and limits on being attacked. It has less with with your ability to raid as oppossed on the restrictions imposed by gree on Defensive unit losses and # of times. You are unable to do a war of attrition on people. Had I been able cause unit losses (of decent amount) its a snow ball effect. Effects the person attacked slowly at first but as A/D goes down so does the people they can raid further cutting them off...But its not possible so yes given defensive unit losses iph does not matter...if gree ever changes this then there's trouble for unbalanced players
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