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    Welll well well... The email i have now read.. and also has a list of tbe TOP 150 teams and ther "Unique ID" numbers... it seems to be 100% accurate what has been said in this thread... every syndicate name on the raidboss leaderboard for boss 56 killed is in the EXACT SAME order as on the syndicate ID list....

    ITS TRUE

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    We have sent numerous tickets about this to Gree and we have been told that the Raid Boss event works just as it's supposed to..... so yes the leaderboard is set after syndicate id and same team gets cheated for their rightfull placement event after event. And guess what nobody cares. Gree doesn't care obviously and the players keep pushing gold lol.

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    So now we have to use our syn ID in our recruitment adds. Look we have a better number then most of our opponents so we get a bigger prize then them! Lol. Yeah. That would make a great impression ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vile Lynn View Post
    This is just a rumor to incite & promote somebody's agenda. That "email" is fabricated.

    Ties are handled by time-stamps. First one to the top, gets 1st, etc...
    For example, if the top 10 syndicates all kill 52 RBs, whichever syn killed #52 RB first, gets 1st place, and so on.
    If the 11th syn kills #52, they won't bounce up in rank. They'll stay in 11th place since their kill was time-stamped after the 10th ranking syn. Make sense?

    Rankings are not "predetermined" by a special syn ID.
    Have you just made this up? Or are you trying to be funny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr3g View Post
    How? You should probably Read This. How Apple and Google work is the developer adds or leaves a link to their Terms of Service which you agree to when you download the app and those terms say



    and furthermore



    and the ToS says it about 100 more times. You are the one buying gold, Gree dose not "force" or "trick" you to buy it therefore; there is nothing wrong with their sorting method that goes against any ToS.

    So this thread won't get removed as nothing wrong happened on Gree's end.
    They dont force you to buy gold, correct, but you cant falsely lead players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money to drop higher level bosses faster, or by dropping a higher amount of total bosses killed, when it has already been predetermined by the developer as to who will ALWAYS rank higher in a tie. That's Fraud. No matter how quick, how many, or simply how much gold you waste in this RB event, there is no way to change the outcome when its determined by syndicate ID# as the deciding factor. It will always be determined who wins the tie, simply by a teams ID #, that has already been a proven fact, and again, thats Fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MISTERFTW View Post
    They dont force you to buy gold, correct, but you cant falsely lead players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money to drop higher level bosses faster, or by dropping a higher amount of total bosses killed, when it has already been predetermined by the developer as to who will ALWAYS rank higher in a tie. That's Fraud. No matter how quick, how many, or simply how much gold you waste in this RB event, there is no way to change the outcome when its determined by syndicate ID# as the deciding factor. It will always be determined who wins the tie, simply by a teams ID #, that has already been a proven fact, and again, thats Fraud.
    No it's not, Gree can do whatever they please and change what they said or did at anytime for any reason without telling players, It says so in the ToS that you agreed to and you don't have a say other wise. It's not fraud when you signed all your rights away. Again you are the one responsible for your money, you spend it, you buy gold, you use it when you want to, so when you spend that gold on a health refill you know for 100% that it's going to refill your health "fraud" would be like, having that not do what it says it does. So more to my point, spending "real money" on this game is no way connected to the ranking system. The gold used is for health refills not ranking and yes, in the end using health refills would help you kill higher bosses but isn't fraud.

    I would like you to read this it's a good article on freemium games it basically shows and tells how people lost money and things developers did to take it. What I'm saying is you (The Player) have nothing to say or complain about because everything Gree is doing is legal and fine you gave them that right so no matter what goes down, Gree is 100% free from any and everything considered wrong doing. There is no fraud, no breaking of the Google or Apple ToS, nothing, nada, YOU ARE DEAD TO RIGHTS. Companies have been doing it for years and get away with it and there isn't one thing you can do either.

    believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money to drop higher level bosses faster, or by dropping a higher amount of total bosses killed, when it has already been predetermined by the developer as to who will ALWAYS rank higher in a tie.
    Its simple, don't tie. Gree left you that option therefore; it's not "fraud" and definitely not falsely leading players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money because there is a way to always rank higher than other syndicates so even if this was to get "official" it is considered "fair" by all parties. (And that doesn't mean the players of Crime City) I know all this because I was once there and thought people couldn't do that either but you have to read the fine print it's all there.

    On a side note the only reason for posting is when you said "MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS" as a fellow developer (Not working for Gree) I dislike comments like that, they only cause panic and stir the pot when that isn't or shouldn't even be the case. It's a low blow, like people with the whole PEWDIEPIE "SCANDAL"!! To quote him "it's right there, right there" the rules and evidence were always available on Gree's rights and they never stepped out of them. I don't care that the rankings are unfair or unjust to some people, life is unfair but you learn to deal with it and or move on. If you want to accuse Gree of something don't use words like "fraud" or "violation" that just isn't the case. If I remember correctly raid boss has been "unfair" for months now (since the change in January) and what if Gree said "Hey! the older your syndicate is the lower you'll rank in the case of a tie. We think this is a good idea because the underdog never gets a chance. Here's 100 gold or a refund of health packs for your trouble." like they basically did for the whole Epic Boss health glitch not too long ago, which by the way they did what they wanted and never changed it back. You'd most likely be jumping or making new syndicates to rank higher in a tie for every Raid Boss. You got your crappy reward, then what? huh? what would you all do? you all would be complaining about something else like too many IP mods and how people spent so much money on those...oh wait...that already happened, was that fraud too? Those are my views like them or not I won't get offended but it's dirty pool when stuff like that is being said when the main purpose is to hurt a company or developer. I'm sorry but that is something you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr3g View Post
    No it's not, Gree can do whatever they please and change what they said or did at anytime for any reason without telling players, It says so in the ToS that you agreed to and you don't have a say other wise. It's not fraud when you signed all your rights away. Again you are the one responsible for your money, you spend it, you buy gold, you use it when you want to, so when you spend that gold on a health refill you know for 100% that it's going to refill your health "fraud" would be like, having that not do what it says it does. So more to my point, spending "real money" on this game is no way connected to the ranking system. The gold used is for health refills not ranking and yes, in the end using health refills would help you kill higher bosses but isn't fraud.

    I would like you to read this it's a good article on freemium games it basically shows and tells how people lost money and things developers did to take it. What I'm saying is you (The Player) have nothing to say or complain about because everything Gree is doing is legal and fine you gave them that right so no matter what goes down, Gree is 100% free from any and everything considered wrong doing. There is no fraud, no breaking of the Google or Apple ToS, nothing, nada, YOU ARE DEAD TO RIGHTS. Companies have been doing it for years and get away with it and there isn't one thing you can do either.


    Its simple, don't tie. Gree left you that option therefore; it's not "fraud" and definitely not falsely leading players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money because there is a way to always rank higher than other syndicates so even if this was to get "official" it is considered "fair" by all parties. (And that doesn't mean the players of Crime City) I know all this because I was once there and thought people couldn't do that either but you have to read the fine print it's all there.

    On a side note the only reason for posting is when you said "MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS" as a fellow developer (Not working for Gree) I dislike comments like that, they only cause panic and stir the pot when that isn't or shouldn't even be the case. It's a low blow, like people with the whole PEWDIEPIE "SCANDAL"!! To quote him "it's right there, right there" the rules and evidence were always available on Gree's rights and they never stepped out of them. I don't care that the rankings are unfair or unjust to some people, life is unfair but you learn to deal with it and or move on. If you want to accuse Gree of something don't use words like "fraud" or "violation" that just isn't the case. If I remember correctly raid boss has been "unfair" for months now (since the change in January) and what if Gree said "Hey! the older your syndicate is the lower you'll rank in the case of a tie. We think this is a good idea because the underdog never gets a chance. Here's 100 gold or a refund of health packs for your trouble." like they basically did for the whole Epic Boss health glitch not too long ago, which by the way they did what they wanted and never changed it back. You'd most likely be jumping or making new syndicates to rank higher in a tie for every Raid Boss. You got your crappy reward, then what? huh? what would you all do? you all would be complaining about something else like too many IP mods and how people spent so much money on those...oh wait...that already happened, was that fraud too? Those are my views like them or not I won't get offended but it's dirty pool when stuff like that is being said when the main purpose is to hurt a company or developer. I'm sorry but that is something you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of.
    Hmmmm may i ask what games u made so i can try them please?? I still think u work at GREE ;p... lol
    He is correct on his point that we should not have a Predetermind rank system based on a syndicate id.. no matter who u r, gamer or developer, thats is not fair gameplay... and thats all that matters

    The whole points of highest level boss killed leaderboard is just what it says.. you kill the same level boss as another team, gold or no gold... you SHOULD be awarded same... not something less because preset ID

    Cant argue with that.. nobody can
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr3g View Post
    No it's not, Gree can do whatever they please and change what they said or did at anytime for any reason without telling players, It says so in the ToS that you agreed to and you don't have a say other wise. It's not fraud when you signed all your rights away. Again you are the one responsible for your money, you spend it, you buy gold, you use it when you want to, so when you spend that gold on a health refill you know for 100% that it's going to refill your health "fraud" would be like, having that not do what it says it does. So more to my point, spending "real money" on this game is no way connected to the ranking system. The gold used is for health refills not ranking and yes, in the end using health refills would help you kill higher bosses but isn't fraud.

    I would like you to read this it's a good article on freemium games it basically shows and tells how people lost money and things developers did to take it. What I'm saying is you (The Player) have nothing to say or complain about because everything Gree is doing is legal and fine you gave them that right so no matter what goes down, Gree is 100% free from any and everything considered wrong doing. There is no fraud, no breaking of the Google or Apple ToS, nothing, nada, YOU ARE DEAD TO RIGHTS. Companies have been doing it for years and get away with it and there isn't one thing you can do either.


    Its simple, don't tie. Gree left you that option therefore; it's not "fraud" and definitely not falsely leading players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money because there is a way to always rank higher than other syndicates so even if this was to get "official" it is considered "fair" by all parties. (And that doesn't mean the players of Crime City) I know all this because I was once there and thought people couldn't do that either but you have to read the fine print it's all there.

    On a side note the only reason for posting is when you said "MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS" as a fellow developer (Not working for Gree) I dislike comments like that, they only cause panic and stir the pot when that isn't or shouldn't even be the case. It's a low blow, like people with the whole PEWDIEPIE "SCANDAL"!! To quote him "it's right there, right there" the rules and evidence were always available on Gree's rights and they never stepped out of them. I don't care that the rankings are unfair or unjust to some people, life is unfair but you learn to deal with it and or move on. If you want to accuse Gree of something don't use words like "fraud" or "violation" that just isn't the case. If I remember correctly raid boss has been "unfair" for months now (since the change in January) and what if Gree said "Hey! the older your syndicate is the lower you'll rank in the case of a tie. We think this is a good idea because the underdog never gets a chance. Here's 100 gold or a refund of health packs for your trouble." like they basically did for the whole Epic Boss health glitch not too long ago, which by the way they did what they wanted and never changed it back. You'd most likely be jumping or making new syndicates to rank higher in a tie for every Raid Boss. You got your crappy reward, then what? huh? what would you all do? you all would be complaining about something else like too many IP mods and how people spent so much money on those...oh wait...that already happened, was that fraud too? Those are my views like them or not I won't get offended but it's dirty pool when stuff like that is being said when the main purpose is to hurt a company or developer. I'm sorry but that is something you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of.
    Hmmm, maybe you should do your homework, cuz according to Amex and Google, both are investigating Gree as of now
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    Quote Originally Posted by MISTERFTW View Post
    Hmmm, maybe you should do your homework, cuz according to Amex and Google, both are investigating Gree as of now
    I heard they been under investigation for years now lol. Bottom line, it is what it is. Spend don't spend Gree has made sure they don't have to do anything, either compensate or change it. The event works as intended and it's up to the players to decide if they want to play or not.

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    There are still people confused on the gold issue? First, if you spend gold with Gree you should know by now that you are taking a risk and should expect to be disappointed. That being said, Gree's TOS doesn't mean anything if you feel like you've been defrauded. If they promise something or state that an event works a certain way and it doesn't perform as advertised, then you have every right to feel like you've been scammed and should expect a refund. If Gree won't give you your money back or refund your gold, then I think everyone knows there is a second step you can take and they will decide if you are warranted a refund. I would think however, that once you've gone this route you would learn you're lesson and stop buying gold as there is such a thing as 'caveat emptor.' IMO they need to clarify in the rules the way ties are handled for RB or they need to give everyone that kills the same number of bosses the same rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crime cow View Post
    There are still people confused on the gold issue? First, if you spend gold with Gree you should know by now that you are taking a risk and should expect to be disappointed. That being said, Gree's TOS doesn't mean anything if you feel like you've been defrauded. If they promise something or state that an event works a certain way and it doesn't perform as advertised, then you have every right to feel like you've been scammed and should expect a refund. If Gree won't give you your money back or refund your gold, then I think everyone knows there is a second step you can take and they will decide if you are warranted a refund. I would think however, that once you've gone this route you would learn you're lesson and stop buying gold as there is such a thing as 'caveat emptor.' IMO they need to clarify in the rules the way ties are handled for RB or they need to give everyone that kills the same number of bosses the same rank.
    Well said.. especially the bottom part since that was the thread lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MISTERFTW View Post
    Hmmm, maybe you should do your homework, cuz according to Amex and Google, both are investigating Gree as of now
    Where are you getting this? Amex? The only one I know of is American Express. You should do you homework, if your app is under investigation by Google Play they disable you from uploading new app versions and or remove the old version until the issue is fixed. If it's an overall investigation to all of Gree's apps they'd disabled the whole account until the issue is resolved. The last thing on Gree was in March of 2016 and that was a CPSC Civil Penalty Settlement but that wasn't the same Gree. 'Gree Electric' and 'GREE, INC.' are two different things so yeah. The last thing on Gree, INC was them shutting down in Vancouver and in the UK somewhere.
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    Hey All,

    Thank you for the lively discussion. You can find the Dev Teams response to how Raid Boss leaderboard ties are handled here: http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...-Clarification. I will be closing this thread.

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